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"When one has become engaged to a girl, but has in addition deflowered her sister too, so that she has been made pregnant by him, and he has after this married the one betrothed to him, but the one deflowered has hanged herself. Those aware of the facts have been ordered to spend ten years as co-standers in order to gain admission, in accordance with the fixed degrees."
-Canon 25, Council at Ancyra 314
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if Christ does and says x. And someone else does and says not x and you are ever in doubt, follow Christ.
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2011, 05:32:13 PM » |
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I wonder what the penalty would be in this day where scorned sisters hang themselves less in favor of posting angry videos on youtube.
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2011, 05:33:02 PM » |
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  Wow. Just wow.
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He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will have no end.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2011, 07:15:49 PM » |
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This was a plot on an episode of "Soap."
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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
and both come out of your mouth
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2012, 12:54:32 AM » |
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I wonder if this had to do with some small number of well-known cases, a large number of not-so-well-known cases, or someone thought this may be a problem somewhere, but couldn't point out a case?
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yeshuaisiam
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2012, 11:03:00 AM » |
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Wow... At one time people turned to the church with issues....
Today we have "Bishop Jerry Springer" giving guidance to the masses....
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2012, 06:10:26 PM » |
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I don't know that it tood more than one such instance for a canon to be made regarding it, since the canon would be a guide in similar cases as well. Probably, it only too one bear entering a church for there to be a canon against it. Bishop N. tells the council, "Look, this was problematic for us. The bear totally wrecked the place because Subdeacon Quintus forgot to close the doors. If we just make a canon, we'll at least have something to reference and Quintus won't be so bent out of shape for being excommunicated for six months."
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If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.
I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 04:45:34 PM » |
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I don't know that it tood more than one such instance for a canon to be made regarding it, since the canon would be a guide in similar cases as well. Probably, it only too one bear entering a church for there to be a canon against it. Bishop N. tells the council, "Look, this was problematic for us. The bear totally wrecked the place because Subdeacon Quintus forgot to close the doors. If we just make a canon, we'll at least have something to reference and Quintus won't be so bent out of shape for being excommunicated for six months."
I so want to find some record of the time a bear actually DID enter a church; I am nearly in disbelief that it ever happened; I can't help but think that someone got bored one day at a Church council and tagged that canon onto another one, with the bishops not even realizing what they were voting on. |
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I know a secret about a former Supreme Court Justice. Can you guess what it is?
The greatest tragedy in the world is when a cigarette ends.
American Spirits - the eco-friendly cigarette.
Preston Robert Kinney (September 8th, 1997-August 14, 2011
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Shanghaiski
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 04:51:23 PM » |
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I don't know that it tood more than one such instance for a canon to be made regarding it, since the canon would be a guide in similar cases as well. Probably, it only too one bear entering a church for there to be a canon against it. Bishop N. tells the council, "Look, this was problematic for us. The bear totally wrecked the place because Subdeacon Quintus forgot to close the doors. If we just make a canon, we'll at least have something to reference and Quintus won't be so bent out of shape for being excommunicated for six months."
I so want to find some record of the time a bear actually DID enter a church; I am nearly in disbelief that it ever happened; I can't help but think that someone got bored one day at a Church council and tagged that canon onto another one, with the bishops not even realizing what they were voting on. Usually the canons are couched in some record of discussion or explanation, and we have some minutes. I don't know if there's a specific canon against bears, but the only animals allowed in church at all are cats since they, of course, are more other-worldly and ascetical and put people and mice in their appropriate place. |
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If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.
I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 07:41:50 PM » |
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I don't know that it tood more than one such instance for a canon to be made regarding it, since the canon would be a guide in similar cases as well. Probably, it only too one bear entering a church for there to be a canon against it. Bishop N. tells the council, "Look, this was problematic for us. The bear totally wrecked the place because Subdeacon Quintus forgot to close the doors. If we just make a canon, we'll at least have something to reference and Quintus won't be so bent out of shape for being excommunicated for six months."
I so want to find some record of the time a bear actually DID enter a church; I am nearly in disbelief that it ever happened; I can't help but think that someone got bored one day at a Church council and tagged that canon onto another one, with the bishops not even realizing what they were voting on.  Isn't that the truth! |
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I believe in One God, maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible.
Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
Theodosius Dobzhansky, Russian Orthodox Christian (1900-1975)
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 08:07:11 PM » |
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but the only animals allowed in church at all are cats since they, of course, are more other-worldly and ascetical and put people and mice in their appropriate place.
Isn't that the truth! Seconded! |
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 08:17:48 PM » |
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I don't know that it tood more than one such instance for a canon to be made regarding it, since the canon would be a guide in similar cases as well. Probably, it only too one bear entering a church for there to be a canon against it. Bishop N. tells the council, "Look, this was problematic for us. The bear totally wrecked the place because Subdeacon Quintus forgot to close the doors. If we just make a canon, we'll at least have something to reference and Quintus won't be so bent out of shape for being excommunicated for six months."
I so want to find some record of the time a bear actually DID enter a church; I am nearly in disbelief that it ever happened; I can't help but think that someone got bored one day at a Church council and tagged that canon onto another one, with the bishops not even realizing what they were voting on. Usually the canons are couched in some record of discussion or explanation, and we have some minutes. I don't know if there's a specific canon against bears, but the only animals allowed in church at all are cats since they, of course, are more other-worldly and ascetical and put people and mice in their appropriate place. The first time I ever heard of such a canon was actually something - I think - Handmaiden had posted in another thread a while back. |
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I know a secret about a former Supreme Court Justice. Can you guess what it is?
The greatest tragedy in the world is when a cigarette ends.
American Spirits - the eco-friendly cigarette.
Preston Robert Kinney (September 8th, 1997-August 14, 2011
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 08:32:01 PM » |
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The canon came from a council of a local church (Ancyra), not a larger (Ecumenical, Pan-Orthodox, etc.) meeting, so they were likely dealing with a thorny issue in one of the constituent diocese that needed conciliar action.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 05:00:49 AM » |
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The canon came from a council of a local church (Ancyra), not a larger (Ecumenical, Pan-Orthodox, etc.) meeting, so they were likely dealing with a thorny issue in one of the constituent diocese that needed conciliar action.
Ah, that explains it. Strange how it seems to go from general language to specific language. |
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if Christ does and says x. And someone else does and says not x and you are ever in doubt, follow Christ.
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2012, 10:38:28 AM » |
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The canon came from a council of a local church (Ancyra), not a larger (Ecumenical, Pan-Orthodox, etc.) meeting, so they were likely dealing with a thorny issue in one of the constituent diocese that needed conciliar action.
Perhaps one of royal or noble succession as to the preservation of hereditary rights. |
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