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Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« on: February 06, 2011, 08:19:27 PM »
Does any one know of any GOOD books on the techniques of writing Icons with discussion on prayer/life discipline?  I found a work book, but I don't think it's what I'm looking for.  Any suggestions or points in a good direction would be very helpful, thank you!

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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2011, 08:46:09 PM »
Also if it could be added to this thread, books on how to draw Iconography.
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2011, 09:49:28 PM »
Try this for a start:
http://naturalpigments.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=151-0819216240


Thank you, Monk Vasyl!  I just ordered it - I got it used so it wasn't too pricey.  (Textbooks are always soooo expensive!) The reviews on it are very good.  It is sold out on the link you offered - but Amazon.com has it used. 

I also found Icon Painting Revealed, by Mary Jane Miller (I have no idea whether this is a good book or not.) that is supposed to go into the spiritual discipline of Icon Writing.  It was inexpensive enough that I could just buy it and see if it is what I'm looking for. 


Also if it could be added to this thread, books on how to draw Iconography.

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I would think that any basic drawing book would be sufficient to gain the techniques in drawing, though from what I understand most icons are by specific pattern.  My husband bought me the Home Artist (Reader's Digest) for Christmas so that I can refresh the techniques I learned previously years ago.  I've only read the first chapter of it, but it was very inexpensive, and looks to be a good beginners course or a good refreshers course in drawing and painting.  You might find it useful.  If you would like me to work through it and get back to you on whether it's truly useful or not, I'd be happy to. 

I primarily sculpt - but all clay sculpture almost always starts out with a very detailed drawing -- unless I'm in the mood to just sling mud all over the place. ;)  But I'm a total babe as far as painting is concerned. 



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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2011, 09:53:27 PM »
But I'm a total babe as far as painting is concerned. 

I have no idea what that means, but it sounds cute, lol...  :angel:

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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2011, 09:56:53 PM »
But I'm a total babe as far as painting is concerned.  

I have no idea what that means, but it sounds cute, lol...  :angel:

**laughing**

Heh. . .American term. . .it means I'm very inexperienced with painting pictures.  To say your a 'babe' is to say you're an infant - uneducated and innocent about something.  

Or . . .if you are twenty years younger than I am. . .then she's a cute brunette who bats her eyelashes. . .and still doesn't know how to paint.   ;D

Generation gaps abound. . .these days. . .lol.
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 09:19:17 PM »
Try this for a start:
http://naturalpigments.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=151-0819216240


Monk Vasyl, it came today!! Oh my goodness, I'm drooling!!  Thank you so much for recommending it!
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 09:49:23 PM »
The Prosopon School of Iconology

They offer a book called the "Rule of the Seven Sacraments."

http://www.raaad.org/prosoponschool.org/new/journal.html

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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 10:13:09 PM »
The Prosopon School of Iconology

They offer a book called the "Rule of the Seven Sacraments."

http://www.raaad.org/prosoponschool.org/new/journal.html

Thank you!! I was going to order their DVD's on Icons - have you seen them?  Are they worth the expense (if you have)?  

I will definitely order the book.  :) Thanks!
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2011, 10:27:42 PM »
A word of warning on the Prosopon School:

They have a strange fondness for painting images which are clearly not compatible with Orthodox doctrine, iconographic canon and theology. Plenty of Angels of Blessed Silence (including a doozy where the angel bears a star on the forehead and shoulders, and has a motif of Christ Emmanuel over its body - what the ...), Holy Wisdoms, a Paternity/Maternity matching pair, and something called Angel of the Countenance which is little more than dreamy New-Age schmaltz. Very ornate and pretty, but icons these ain't. Oh, and there's a weird Trinity where Christ Emmanuel is in the bowl/chalice on the table, instead of a calf's head. Some serious theological and trinitarian confusion there.
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 10:35:58 PM »
A word of warning on the Prosopon School:

They have a strange fondness for painting images which are clearly not compatible with Orthodox doctrine, iconographic canon and theology. Plenty of Angels of Blessed Silence (including a doozy where the angel bears a star on the forehead and shoulders, and has a motif of Christ Emmanuel over its body - what the ...), Holy Wisdoms, a Paternity/Maternity matching pair, and something called Angel of the Countenance which is little more than dreamy New-Age schmaltz. Very ornate and pretty, but icons these ain't. Oh, and there's a weird Trinity where Christ Emmanuel is in the bowl/chalice on the table, instead of a calf's head. Some serious theological and trinitarian confusion there.

Thanks for the warning - I seriously doubt I'll do much more than get the icon dvd's and the book mentioned above.  I'm talking to my Priest and his wife who is knowledgeable concerning reputable classes. 

It will probably be next year before I can take a class - but patience is a good thing.  :) 
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2011, 11:42:09 PM »
The Prosopon School of Iconology

They offer a book called the "Rule of the Seven Sacraments."

http://www.raaad.org/prosoponschool.org/new/journal.html

Thank you!! I was going to order their DVD's on Icons - have you seen them?  Are they worth the expense (if you have)?  

I will definitely order the book.  :) Thanks!

Unfortunately, I have not seen any of their DVDs.

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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2011, 11:45:21 PM »
A word of warning on the Prosopon School:

They have a strange fondness for painting images which are clearly not compatible with Orthodox doctrine, iconographic canon and theology. Plenty of Angels of Blessed Silence (including a doozy where the angel bears a star on the forehead and shoulders, and has a motif of Christ Emmanuel over its body - what the ...), Holy Wisdoms, a Paternity/Maternity matching pair, and something called Angel of the Countenance which is little more than dreamy New-Age schmaltz. Very ornate and pretty, but icons these ain't. Oh, and there's a weird Trinity where Christ Emmanuel is in the bowl/chalice on the table, instead of a calf's head. Some serious theological and trinitarian confusion there.

I have only seen personally one of their former students paint "Blessed Silence" which when I saw that it was completely a turn-off.

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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2011, 03:12:33 AM »
Here's a link to the current version of the Prosopon gallery:

http://homepage.mac.com/zheka/prosopon/icongalery.html

Two of the images I mentioned earlier:





There is no justification for this perversion of iconography.
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2011, 04:41:45 AM »
Uh-oh. Perhaps getting the DVDs might not be a great idea:

http://flic.kr/p/8zgeLC
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2011, 07:20:23 AM »
Uh-oh. Perhaps getting the DVDs might not be a great idea:

http://flic.kr/p/8zgeLC


That wasn't the one I wanted to get - something was just off with it. . .heh. . .now I know what.  I wanted to get the basic Icon dvd's. 

Hm.  Maybe this is a 'eat the chicken and throw out the bones' . . . thing?  I don't know.  The Icon DVD has on it how to make a Gesso Board . . .and that's what I'm primarily interested in, but it's pricey.   

I'll look around and see if I can find some other instructions - and see what comes up. . .maybe I'll at least save some money.
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2011, 07:58:06 AM »
Does any one know of any GOOD books on the techniques of writing Icons with discussion on prayer/life discipline?  I found a work book, but I don't think it's what I'm looking for.  Any suggestions or points in a good direction would be very helpful, thank you!


You start with first understanding the theology of icons.  so you need to buy Ousoensky's The Meaning of Icons.
here are some web site suggested in a class I took:
Icon techniques.http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/aesthetics/aesthetic_outlines_summary.html

Why no smiles on icons:
http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/aesthetics/smile.html

Origin & Tradition: http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/aesthetics/aesthetic_outlines.html

Byzantine Perspective: http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/aesthetics/byzantine_perspective.html

Technique: step by step: http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/technique/icon_technique/icon_technique_summary.html

Frescoes:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041210095512/www.ateliersaintandre.net/en/pages/gallery/frescoes.html


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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2011, 08:43:43 AM »
Does any one know of any GOOD books on the techniques of writing Icons with discussion on prayer/life discipline?  I found a work book, but I don't think it's what I'm looking for.  Any suggestions or points in a good direction would be very helpful, thank you!


You start with first understanding the theology of icons.  so you need to buy Ousoensky's The Meaning of Icons.
here are some web site suggested in a class I took:
Icon techniques.http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/aesthetics/aesthetic_outlines_summary.html

Why no smiles on icons:
http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/aesthetics/smile.html

Origin & Tradition: http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/aesthetics/aesthetic_outlines.html

Byzantine Perspective: http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/aesthetics/byzantine_perspective.html

Technique: step by step: http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/technique/icon_technique/icon_technique_summary.html

Frescoes:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041210095512/www.ateliersaintandre.net/en/pages/gallery/frescoes.html



This is great!! Thank you, Jake!!
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2011, 11:58:11 AM »
The only semi-canonical one I'm aware of is Dyonissios of Fourna's book of the 17th century IIRC.
Then I saw another one, written by a Russian nun Iuliania.
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2011, 12:18:13 PM »
The only semi-canonical one I'm aware of is Dyonissios of Fourna's book of the 17th century IIRC.
Then I saw another one, written by a Russian nun Iuliania.
Are you talking about iconographer's pattern books?  There a number of them around that have been translated into English by a person named Gregory Melnick:
http://www.svspress.com/product_info.php?products_id=103

Use the patternbooks in conjenction with:
   The Painter's Manual of Dionysius of Fourna published by Oakwood Publications.
But before you start you really should read Ouspensky's book first.

Also this book in one of the chapters lists all the declarations by councils and synods about icons.  It is really worth buying:

http://www.svspress.com/product_info.php?products_id=106
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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2011, 12:19:27 PM »
Also I think there is going to be a summer school course on writing icons at St. Vladimir's Seminary by Archdeacon Narari Polataiko.

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Re: Books on Icon Writing Technique and Discipline
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2011, 05:25:55 PM »
A word of warning on the Prosopon School:

They have a strange fondness for painting images which are clearly not compatible with Orthodox doctrine, iconographic canon and theology. Plenty of Angels of Blessed Silence (including a doozy where the angel bears a star on the forehead and shoulders, and has a motif of Christ Emmanuel over its body - what the ...), Holy Wisdoms, a Paternity/Maternity matching pair, and something called Angel of the Countenance which is little more than dreamy New-Age schmaltz. Very ornate and pretty, but icons these ain't. Oh, and there's a weird Trinity where Christ Emmanuel is in the bowl/chalice on the table, instead of a calf's head. Some serious theological and trinitarian confusion there.

I must add one more word. Since this was posted I read some of the excellent books recommended here to learn what icons are acceptable and what are questionable. I don't want to get into any arguments as I suspect there may be some who post on this forum who just enjoy arguing. May I suggest if there is an icon you question, go to the source. You can visit the website of the Prosopon School of Iconography, contact not only the blessed iconographers who are a part of the school with your questions, but you can contact the founder (blessed by his bishop) of this school directly. They have numerous publications and dvds which explain the meaning of certain icons in detail as well as the techniques. I am satisfied the ones questioned in this thread are not what you think initially and request we all be more humble in what we think we "know" about them as we can be wrong or at least allow for good Orthodox to disagree.

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