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I saw this video of this impressive church censer, and wondered if anyone has ever seen anything bigger? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QFd_55El1I(I posted this here because I wasn't too sure about which section this topic would fall under.) |
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 07:09:03 PM » |
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That's quite a sight!   And no, I've never seen anything close to that... |
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 07:34:37 PM » |
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Legend has it that there is actually a practical reason for it. Santiago de Compostela (the Cathedral of St. James) is the destination of a famous Catholic pilgrimage which was done on foot over many weeks or even months. The Cathedral Mass was therefore full of smelly pilgrims who had walked long distances, and the censer was designed to mask the smell. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 07:46:36 PM » |
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I saw this video of this impressive church censer, and wondered if anyone has ever seen anything bigger? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QFd_55El1I(I posted this here because I wasn't too sure about which section this topic would fall under.) Genesis does tell us that 'there were giants upon the land in those days', but I think that your explanation is probably correct! |
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2011, 08:01:33 PM » |
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It's the most stupid and idiotic thing i've ever seen....Plus a accident thats just waiting to happen..... I bet you stop children from playing with yo-yos saying "It's stupid and idiotic and you'll have someone's eye out!" |
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2011, 08:23:45 PM » |
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It's the most stupid and idiotic thing i've ever seen....Plus a accident thats just waiting to happen..... I bet you stop children from playing with yo-yos saying "It's stupid and idiotic and you'll have someone's eye out!" Admittedly, I did think that it was gonna slam into the altar rail (or whatever that is) a few times... and that thing was moving! |
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2011, 08:52:06 PM » |
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It's the most stupid and idiotic thing i've ever seen....Plus a accident thats just waiting to happen..... Its a sensible idea.. Big church, big censor. But it did look like an accident was around the corner. In that case, it is idiotic. A coal could have flew out of it and burned someone The music with the organ is what's the real accident. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 09:44:31 PM » |
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It's the most stupid and idiotic thing i've ever seen....Plus a accident thats just waiting to happen..... Its a sensible idea.. Big church, big censor. But it did look like an accident was around the corner. In that case, it is idiotic. A coal could have flew out of it and burned someone The music with the organ is what's the real accident. That's your opinion since it's not part of the tradition you now belong to. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2011, 11:05:02 PM » |
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It's the most stupid and idiotic thing i've ever seen....Plus a accident thats just waiting to happen..... Its a sensible idea.. Big church, big censor. But it did look like an accident was around the corner. In that case, it is idiotic. A coal could have flew out of it and burned someone The music with the organ is what's the real accident. That's your opinion since it's not part of the tradition you now belong to. I'm sorry. I would likely have a better opinion if I was raised in your tradition. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2011, 11:28:29 PM » |
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I saw this video of this impressive church censer, and wondered if anyone has ever seen anything bigger? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QFd_55El1I(I posted this here because I wasn't too sure about which section this topic would fall under.) Awesome! I had a chance to make incense a few times and I think the more incense the better.   Thanks for sharing! In Christ, Andrew |
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 05:09:10 AM » |
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 07:53:09 AM » |
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A coal could have flew out of it and burned someone No, it could not:  |
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 08:30:48 AM » |
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That is a little silly if you ask me.
Church is not a circus...
Far too dangerous... if that comes off it will certainly kill someone!
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2011, 08:33:10 AM » |
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A coal could have flew out of it and burned someone No, it could not: That chart is idealized and doesn't take into account the acceleration imparted on the censor by the people working it or friction in the system |
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2011, 09:51:48 AM » |
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That is one of the dumbest things I've ever witnessed...
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2011, 11:22:31 AM » |
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Does anyone know of the tradition behind this? |
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2011, 11:38:59 AM » |
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2011, 11:39:54 AM » |
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That's the first time I have seen a congregation applaud a censer.  I saw this video of this impressive church censer, and wondered if anyone has ever seen anything bigger? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QFd_55El1I(I posted this here because I wasn't too sure about which section this topic would fall under.)
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2011, 11:50:13 AM » |
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Can anyone explain that? I've never seen a fiery sacrifice in a church before.
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2011, 11:53:02 AM » |
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Curious ,What Wrong with just lighting Traditional Beeswax Candles in Church..........this looks like strange fire, very strange...... As I understand it, the remnants of the Ambrosian Rite of the Roman Church are practiced only in Milan and date back to pre-schism times. ITSM that there is nothing inherently 'wrong' in accepting that the unified pre-schism Church was no more monolithic and ritually universal than is the Orthodox Church today. In all likelihood, given the absence of mass communication and the distances which were involved across the known western world at that time, the unified, pre-schism Church was likely even more diverse than what we have today. |
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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2011, 02:52:32 PM » |
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Can anyone explain that? I've never seen a fiery sacrifice in a church before. Father, does that really seem like a "sacrifice" to you? Quoting tags edited - Michał Kalina. |
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Can anyone explain that? I've never seen a fiery sacrifice in a church before. Father, does that really seem like a "sacrifice" to you? Quoting tags edited - Michał Kalina.
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 04:03:23 PM » |
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Well, lemme see:
1) the object is in a church used for the worship of God.
2) the object is intentionally placed in the church.
3) the object is ritually destroyed in the church it was intentionally placed it.
4) the ritual is one in which God is worshipped.
5) the object is burned in the ritual.
Yes, it looks like a fiery sacrifice to me.
What do you propose it is?  Can anyone explain that? I've never seen a fiery sacrifice in a church before. Father, does that really seem like a "sacrifice" to you? Quoting tags edited - Michał Kalina.
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I figured it was a 9th or 10th century version of a disco ball.
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Well, lemme see:
1) the object is in a church used for the worship of God.
2) the object is intentionally placed in the church.
3) the object is ritually destroyed in the church it was intentionally placed it.
4) the ritual is one in which God is worshipped.
5) the object is burned in the ritual.
Yes, it looks like a fiery sacrifice to me.
What do you propose it is? Does that also apply to candles and incense? Both are burned inside a church and in church rituals in which God is worshipped. If it were truly a sacrifice, wouldn't you say it should be placed upon the altar? I think it's a silly accusation. Brief explanation translated by Google: The ancient rite of the lighthouse the ritual of "lighthouse", a ritual that is rarely possible to see in our churches. Its origin is very old (has vanished in the seventh century). It is normally carried out within the Church but the beautiful day that has allowed the rite and the liturgical celebration should be held in the churchyard. This rite is celebrated on the feast of the patron and only if the patron saint is a martyr. The origin and meaning of the ritual are uncertain but may be an allegorical allusion to the sacrifice of life of the saint martyr for the Church. The fire burns and burns the globe as the holy martyr, burning with faith, burned in martyrdom for the Faith. The globe or "lighthouse", covered with cotton, was burned in the churchyard. A curiosity for those wishing to see such a rite celebrated as tradition within the Church. The rite of the lighthouse, according to the Ambrosian rite, is celebrated in the Cathedral of Milan on the occasion of Santa Tecla, patroness of the parish of the cathedral.http://www.lincontro-cesano.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=309:lantico-rito-del-faro&catid=34:cronaca-locale-cesano-boscone&Itemid=53 |
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Yes, incense and candles are sacrificial as well. You are taking offense to something that is not offensive. Sacrifices are good, not bad, when they are offered to God.
Thanks for the actual information, however. It is a curious practice. Too bad we don't know for sure how it was started or what was its actual purpose. We shall have to wait for that answer.Well, lemme see:
1) the object is in a church used for the worship of God.
2) the object is intentionally placed in the church.
3) the object is ritually destroyed in the church it was intentionally placed it.
4) the ritual is one in which God is worshipped.
5) the object is burned in the ritual.
Yes, it looks like a fiery sacrifice to me.
What do you propose it is? Does that also apply to candles and incense? Both are burned inside a church and in church rituals in which God is worshipped. If it were truly a sacrifice, wouldn't you say it should be placed upon the altar? I think it's a silly accusation. Brief explanation translated by Google: The ancient rite of the lighthouse the ritual of "lighthouse", a ritual that is rarely possible to see in our churches. Its origin is very old (has vanished in the seventh century). It is normally carried out within the Church but the beautiful day that has allowed the rite and the liturgical celebration should be held in the churchyard. This rite is celebrated on the feast of the patron and only if the patron saint is a martyr. The origin and meaning of the ritual are uncertain but may be an allegorical allusion to the sacrifice of life of the saint martyr for the Church. The fire burns and burns the globe as the holy martyr, burning with faith, burned in martyrdom for the Faith. The globe or "lighthouse", covered with cotton, was burned in the churchyard. A curiosity for those wishing to see such a rite celebrated as tradition within the Church. The rite of the lighthouse, according to the Ambrosian rite, is celebrated in the Cathedral of Milan on the occasion of Santa Tecla, patroness of the parish of the cathedral.http://www.lincontro-cesano.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=309:lantico-rito-del-faro&catid=34:cronaca-locale-cesano-boscone&Itemid=53
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In some places they light bonfires in the church-yard between Great Thursday and Easter.
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FatherGiryus, I guess that was my misunderstanding. I imagined something else when you said "sacrificial."
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