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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner.
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 10:37:17 PM » |
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner. That is a "tama" of "matia". A "tama" (plural: "tamata") is an ex-voto offering made to a Saint because of a vow and "matia" means "eyes". There is a long tradition in Greek Orthodoxy that when we ask a Saint for healing, we promise to hang "tama" made of silver or gold and depicting an image of what the Saint healed on their Icon in the Church as a witness to the miracle. St. Parakevi is the Patron Saint of the those suffering eye ailments (because of her merciful act towards her tormentor, Antonius Pius, during her martyrdom). Here is an Icon in a Church with a multitude of "tramata" bearing witness to the prayers answered by the Saint depicted: 
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 10:39:40 PM » |
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner. That is a "tama" of "matia". A "tama" (plural: "tamata") is an ex-voto offering made to a Saint because of a vow and "matia" means "eyes". There is a long tradition in Greek Orthodoxy that when we ask a Saint for healing, we promise to hang "tama" made of silver or gold depicting an image of what the Saint healed on their Icon in the Church as a witness to the miracle. St. Parakevi is the Patron Saint of the those suffering eye ailments (because of her merciful act towards her tormentor, Antonius Pius, during her martyrdom). Here is an Icon with a multitude of "tramata" bearing witness to the prayers answered by the Saint depicted:  thanks so much! it seems I can alwayse count on you, OZGeorge, for a very informative answers! as my sister and I are both suffering from vision problems (which are supposed to get worse as we get older) I'll definatly buy an icon of her, and lay this against it.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 10:42:45 PM » |
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner. That is a "tama" of "matia". A "tama" (plural: "tamata") is an ex-voto offering made to a Saint because of a vow and "matia" means "eyes". There is a long tradition in Greek Orthodoxy that when we ask a Saint for healing, we promise to hang "tama" made of silver or gold depicting an image of what the Saint healed on their Icon in the Church as a witness to the miracle. St. Parakevi is the Patron Saint of the those suffering eye ailments (because of her merciful act towards her tormentor, Antonius Pius, during her martyrdom). Here is an Icon with a multitude of "tramata" bearing witness to the prayers answered by the Saint depicted:  thanks so much! it seems I can alwayse count on you, OZGeorge, for a very informative answers! as my sister and I are both suffering from vision problems (which are supposed to get worse as we get older) I'll definatly buy an icon of her, and lay this against it. A "tama" is a thanksgiving offering which we make when our prayers are answered, and we only hang them on Icons in Churches.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 10:44:22 PM » |
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner. That is a "tama" of "matia". A "tama" (plural: "tamata") is an ex-voto offering made to a Saint because of a vow and "matia" means "eyes". There is a long tradition in Greek Orthodoxy that when we ask a Saint for healing, we promise to hang "tama" made of silver or gold depicting an image of what the Saint healed on their Icon in the Church as a witness to the miracle. St. Parakevi is the Patron Saint of the those suffering eye ailments (because of her merciful act towards her tormentor, Antonius Pius, during her martyrdom). Here is an Icon with a multitude of "tramata" bearing witness to the prayers answered by the Saint depicted:  thanks so much! it seems I can alwayse count on you, OZGeorge, for a very informative answers! as my sister and I are both suffering from vision problems (which are supposed to get worse as we get older) I'll definatly buy an icon of her, and lay this against it. A "tama" is a thanksgiving offering which we make when our prayers are answered, and we only hang them on Icons in Churches. ah, I see. in that case, when (and if) my vision improves, I'll find an icon of her somewhere in my church and affix it,. 
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 10:47:04 PM » |
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner. That is a "tama" of "matia". A "tama" (plural: "tamata") is an ex-voto offering made to a Saint because of a vow and "matia" means "eyes". There is a long tradition in Greek Orthodoxy that when we ask a Saint for healing, we promise to hang "tama" made of silver or gold depicting an image of what the Saint healed on their Icon in the Church as a witness to the miracle. St. Parakevi is the Patron Saint of the those suffering eye ailments (because of her merciful act towards her tormentor, Antonius Pius, during her martyrdom). Here is an Icon with a multitude of "tramata" bearing witness to the prayers answered by the Saint depicted:  thanks so much! it seems I can alwayse count on you, OZGeorge, for a very informative answers! as my sister and I are both suffering from vision problems (which are supposed to get worse as we get older) I'll definatly buy an icon of her, and lay this against it. A "tama" is a thanksgiving offering which we make when our prayers are answered, and we only hang them on Icons in Churches. ah, I see. in that case, when (and if) my vision improves, I'll find an icon of her somewhere in my church and affix it,.  Now that you have said so, be sure that you fulfil your vow!
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 10:47:52 PM » |
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner. That is a "tama" of "matia". A "tama" (plural: "tamata") is an ex-voto offering made to a Saint because of a vow and "matia" means "eyes". There is a long tradition in Greek Orthodoxy that when we ask a Saint for healing, we promise to hang "tama" made of silver or gold depicting an image of what the Saint healed on their Icon in the Church as a witness to the miracle. St. Parakevi is the Patron Saint of the those suffering eye ailments (because of her merciful act towards her tormentor, Antonius Pius, during her martyrdom). Here is an Icon with a multitude of "tramata" bearing witness to the prayers answered by the Saint depicted:  thanks so much! it seems I can alwayse count on you, OZGeorge, for a very informative answers! as my sister and I are both suffering from vision problems (which are supposed to get worse as we get older) I'll definatly buy an icon of her, and lay this against it. A "tama" is a thanksgiving offering which we make when our prayers are answered, and we only hang them on Icons in Churches. ah, I see. in that case, when (and if) my vision improves, I'll find an icon of her somewhere in my church and affix it,.  Now that you have said so, be sure that you fulfil your vow! I sure will! thanks! 
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 07:43:35 AM » |
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Interesting, I thought that this is a latinisation after the Union.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 09:52:14 AM » |
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Interesting, I thought that this is a latinisation after the Union.
Which union? Once the number of them are collected, they are melted down to make a covering (riza in Russian/Slavic, phylaktis (?) in Greek. We just say ghiTaa' (coveing) or fiDDa (silver) in Arabic).
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 10:15:35 AM » |
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Union of Brest. I thought it is a Catholic thing.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 10:34:13 AM » |
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Union of Brest. I thought it is a Catholic thing.
Votive practices like this are common in many cultures: ancient, medieval, and modern. It predates Roman Catholicism by thousands of years, having been very popular in various religions throughout all periods of human history in the Mediterranean (including Judaism). Lighting candles falls into the same category of religious practices.
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 11:19:16 AM » |
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner. That is a "tama" of "matia". A "tama" (plural: "tamata") is an ex-voto offering made to a Saint because of a vow and "matia" means "eyes". There is a long tradition in Greek Orthodoxy that when we ask a Saint for healing, we promise to hang "tama" made of silver or gold depicting an image of what the Saint healed on their Icon in the Church as a witness to the miracle. St. Parakevi is the Patron Saint of the those suffering eye ailments (because of her merciful act towards her tormentor, Antonius Pius, during her martyrdom). Here is an Icon with a multitude of "tramata" bearing witness to the prayers answered by the Saint depicted:  thanks so much! it seems I can alwayse count on you, OZGeorge, for a very informative answers! as my sister and I are both suffering from vision problems (which are supposed to get worse as we get older) I'll definatly buy an icon of her, and lay this against it. Thanks also regarding St. Paraskevia (or Paraska to some Slavs). I have suffered from an ongoing eye disease and have had a number of surgeries over the years. My late mother-in-law was named Paraska as St. Paraskevia was the patron of the Church in her mother's village in Europe so your information is all the more meaningful to me.
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Interesting, I thought that this is a latinisation after the Union.
Sadly, many of us tend to regard customs of Orthodox peoples not of our own ethnic background as 'foreign' or as 'latinisations' if we don't understand them. My first instinct was to think the same on this question, but for George's answer. Many long standing and meaningful pious customs have been suppressed or lost in the well-intentioned efforts to 'delatinize' those who were ancestrally impacted by the unions.
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday.
Which St. Paraskevia do you mean?
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2011, 04:41:14 PM » |
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Interesting, I thought that this is a latinisation after the Union.
Sadly, many of us tend to regard customs of Orthodox peoples not of our own ethnic background as 'foreign' or as 'latinisations' if we don't understand them. My first instinct was to think the same on this question, but for George's answer. Many long standing and meaningful pious customs have been suppressed or lost in the well-intentioned efforts to 'delatinize' those who were ancestrally impacted by the unions. It's not foreign to me. I've seen many such things. I only thought it was the RC influence.
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Do the faithful make these themselves, or are there special artists you can commission for it?
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2011, 06:00:36 PM » |
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Interesting, I thought that this is a latinisation after the Union.
Sadly, many of us tend to regard customs of Orthodox peoples not of our own ethnic background as 'foreign' or as 'latinisations' if we don't understand them. My first instinct was to think the same on this question, but for George's answer. Many long standing and meaningful pious customs have been suppressed or lost in the well-intentioned efforts to 'delatinize' those who were ancestrally impacted by the unions. I agree. Although well-intentioned, the pendulum has swung too far the other way, where we have done away with legitimate Orthodox practices along with the innovations. As I recall even a few centuries ago St. Nikodemos of the Holy Mountain lamented the falling away from genuflection during the midweek even though it is a genuine Orthodox practice.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2011, 01:00:53 AM » |
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I was looking for an icon of St. Paraskevi, as she's commemorated on my birthday. when I went to this website, I found something called a "manti". here's a picture:  what is a "manti" for? it looks like it belongs in a gypsie's caravan, not an icon corner. http://www.stparaskevi.org/ click on church store on left
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