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The Church Fathers were right...
« on: February 02, 2011, 08:57:13 PM »
..about gluttony. However I only had a very small meal today and my sexual passions are stronger than ever right now. Anytime I eat some food I get this sensation to have sex, please pray for me. I don't know what I can do.
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 11:09:11 PM »
Lord have mercy on Aposphet!!
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 11:27:00 PM »
Lord have mercy!

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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 11:30:30 PM »
..about gluttony. However I only had a very small meal today and my sexual passions are stronger than ever right now. Anytime I eat some food I get this sensation to have sex, please pray for me. I don't know what I can do.

St John of The Ladder says, #19. "Do not trust that because of abstinence you will not fall. One who had never eaten was cast out of Heaven (Satan)"

And this is the key: #24. "He who has resolved to contend with his flesh and conquer it himself struggles in vain. For unless the Lord destroys the house of the flesh and builds the house of the soul, the person who wants to destroy it watches and fasts in vain (Psalm 126:1)"

His book, The Ladder of Divine Ascent has 90 short chapters concerning the battle with this enemy of purity. I heard from the Fathers that unless we conquer this spirit, we cannot possess any of the virtues.


Listen to this Orthodox teacher: http://www.philokalia.org/Constantine%20Zalalas/Tobit/T14%20Traps%20Leading%20to%20Fornication.mp3
 http://www.pigizois.net/arxodariki/omilies_eng/Watch_Your_Body.mp3
http://www.pigizois.net/arxodariki/omilies_eng/Fornication.mp3
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 08:03:39 AM »


I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.

-John 15:5


    Unless the LORD builds the house,
         They labor in vain who build it;
         Unless the LORD guards the city,
         The watchman keeps awake in vain.


- Psalm 127:1
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 12:43:11 PM »
O Lord grant health, salvation, visitation, pardon and remission of sins to thy servant, struggling in his passions, that he may strive in a spiritual manner of living, both thinking and doing those things well-pleasing unto Thee, that he may rise up from his sins and praise Thee to Whom is due all glory, honor and worship, to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever unto ages of ages. Amen.
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 12:57:08 PM »
The non-prayer posts have been split off:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,33455.0.html

Please post only prayer-related thoughts here.

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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 05:54:50 PM »
Thank you very much for your prayers. Right now I'm in agonizing pain to do the action, Lord have mercy on me.
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 06:13:09 PM »
is this serious ::)

Uh yeah it is. What's your deal?

Just ignore him, really.

May God help you. I remember when I was a teen. Food wasn't necessary... staring at wallpaper was enough to make me think about sex. Not an easy time.
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But it had not been in Tess's power - nor is it in anybody's power - to feel the whole truth of golden opinions while it is possible to profit by them. She - and how many more - might have ironically said to God with Saint Augustine, "Thou hast counselled a better course than thou hast permitted."
Thomas Hardy, Tess of the D'Urbervilles

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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 06:30:50 PM »
is this serious ::)

Uh yeah it is. What's your deal?

Just ignore him, really.

May God help you. I remember when I was a teen. Food wasn't necessary... staring at wallpaper was enough to make me think about sex. Not an easy time.
What helped you get over it? I think I'm in the same boat as you, I'm not a teen though. It's interesting my sexual passions increased much more after high school...
“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 07:37:14 PM »
Thank you very much for your prayers. Right now I'm in agonizing pain to do the action, Lord have mercy on me.

You should really try Hesychasm and the Jesus Prayer to get your mind and heart still. St Isaac the Syrian said that the Kingdom of Heaven is within your heart.


Read this book:

Hesychia as a Method of Healing

http://www.pelagia.org/htm/b02.en.orthodox_psychotherapy.05.htm


I find that when i'm all distracted and my mind is going 100 mph, I am much more pron to fall into temptation. We have to still ourselves.

Read this.
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 08:29:35 PM »
is this serious ::)

Uh yeah it is. What's your deal?

Just ignore him, really.

May God help you. I remember when I was a teen. Food wasn't necessary... staring at wallpaper was enough to make me think about sex. Not an easy time.
What helped you get over it? I think I'm in the same boat as you, I'm not a teen though. It's interesting my sexual passions increased much more after high school...

Not to put too much of a point on the subject (forgive me), but are speaking of "lust" or "arousal".

For the longest time I could pretty much tell you the time of day due to the rhythm of my arousal when younger. And that sort of arousal had NIL to do with lust. Now, lust would often follow after arousal, but not necessarily.

If that is TMI, forgive me again.
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 08:36:09 PM »
is this serious ::)

Uh yeah it is. What's your deal?

Just ignore him, really.

May God help you. I remember when I was a teen. Food wasn't necessary... staring at wallpaper was enough to make me think about sex. Not an easy time.
What helped you get over it? I think I'm in the same boat as you, I'm not a teen though. It's interesting my sexual passions increased much more after high school...

Honestly, I was some confused pagan/ atheist in my high school and college years, so you're already doing better than I did  :) I ddin't really get over it, I just got married.
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But it had not been in Tess's power - nor is it in anybody's power - to feel the whole truth of golden opinions while it is possible to profit by them. She - and how many more - might have ironically said to God with Saint Augustine, "Thou hast counselled a better course than thou hast permitted."
Thomas Hardy, Tess of the D'Urbervilles

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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 08:41:11 PM »
is this serious ::)

Uh yeah it is. What's your deal?

Just ignore him, really.

May God help you. I remember when I was a teen. Food wasn't necessary... staring at wallpaper was enough to make me think about sex. Not an easy time.
What helped you get over it? I think I'm in the same boat as you, I'm not a teen though. It's interesting my sexual passions increased much more after high school...

Honestly, I was some confused pagan/ atheist in my high school and college years, so you're already doing better than I did  :) I ddin't really get over it, I just got married.

augustin717, there's your cue.
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2011, 09:01:12 PM »
oh, the torments of the genteel folks!
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2011, 09:04:39 PM »
oh, the torments of the genteel folks!

Ah, the rustic charm of the nominalists!
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But it had not been in Tess's power - nor is it in anybody's power - to feel the whole truth of golden opinions while it is possible to profit by them. She - and how many more - might have ironically said to God with Saint Augustine, "Thou hast counselled a better course than thou hast permitted."
Thomas Hardy, Tess of the D'Urbervilles

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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2011, 09:14:58 PM »
lulz. Take that show on the road.
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Re: The Church Fathers were right...
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2011, 09:21:17 PM »
oh, brother....
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