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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #90 on: June 05, 2011, 06:00:17 PM »
My wife and others I know go "garage sale-ing" (saling?, sailing?).

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #91 on: June 05, 2011, 09:00:22 PM »
My wife and others I know go "garage sale-ing" (saling?, sailing?).

That's how we said it where I grew up. I have no problem with colloquialism.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #92 on: June 05, 2011, 09:04:32 PM »
My wife and others I know go "garage sale-ing" (saling?, sailing?).
In all my years of looking at signs reading "garage sale", it never occurred to me until today to read it as French words that translate to English as "dirty garage"  :P.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #93 on: June 05, 2011, 09:27:18 PM »
"On mass".
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #94 on: June 05, 2011, 09:29:35 PM »
Per say!
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #95 on: June 05, 2011, 10:48:29 PM »
That's how we said it where I grew up. I have no problem with colloquialism.

He said while interneting...

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #96 on: June 05, 2011, 11:02:25 PM »
Deeply profound.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #97 on: June 05, 2011, 11:02:50 PM »
Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #98 on: June 05, 2011, 11:03:06 PM »
Per say!
I don't think I've ever seen that one.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #99 on: June 05, 2011, 11:03:31 PM »
That's how we said it where I grew up. I have no problem with colloquialism.

He said while interneting...

I dropped a word there: that colloquialism. Really did forget to add it.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #100 on: June 05, 2011, 11:04:50 PM »
We also used to say this, in the acting biz. "Well, I did theater before I did film."

How do you "do" theater? In the dark? With an audience watching? With a round of applause after? Haha, I kid.

It tends to bother me, but when people ask me about my acting past, I always say, "I did theater" or "I did straight plays, not musicals."

It's like that in Farsi, where if there isn't a verb, you can do (Kardan) a noun. My tutor told me that if you reverse the words (I think you have to say "Fax I do" rather than I do fax"), the connotation can be taken as sexual. But that "begs the question," how do you do a fax?  :P
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #101 on: June 05, 2011, 11:07:20 PM »
Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #102 on: June 05, 2011, 11:08:35 PM »
We also used to say this, in the acting biz. "Well, I did theater before I did film."

How do you "do" theater? In the dark? With an audience watching? With a round of applause after? Haha, I kid.

It tends to bother me, but when people ask me about my acting past, I always say, "I did theater" or "I did straight plays, not musicals."

It's like that in Farsi, where if there isn't a verb, you can do (Kardan) a noun. My tutor told me that if you reverse the words (I think you have to say "Fax I do" rather than I do fax"), the connotation can be taken as sexual. But that "begs the question," how do you do a fax?  :P

Worst usage ever of this construction:

Tourists: Yeah, we did London last week.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #103 on: June 05, 2011, 11:09:22 PM »
"Mute" instead of "moot".
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #104 on: June 05, 2011, 11:13:14 PM »
Per say!
I don't think I've ever seen that one.
Lucky.  ;)

I think that people are so used to hearing a phrase without knowing its origin and therefore, how to spell it. It boggles my mind. My husband is a horrible speller (love him to death, but spelling is not his strong suit), and I am constantly shocked at how many phrases he knows without understanding their origin. He can say the words in the correct context, but don't ask him to spell them!
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #105 on: June 05, 2011, 11:13:58 PM »
Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.

It's true, it's really a silly rule. I mean, is anyone going to say "That is something with which I will not put!" Honestly...

I'm personally rather opposed to the Latinizations that English underwent. Relatedly, I find this website very interesting: http://anglish.wikia.com/wiki/Headside

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #106 on: June 05, 2011, 11:15:43 PM »
"Mute" instead of "moot".

Too bad all folks spewing moot arguments were not mute as well.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #107 on: June 05, 2011, 11:16:23 PM »
LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.

Oh, that I had the Valley Girl cadence and tone to go with it. OMG that'd be, like, totally.
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« Reply #108 on: June 05, 2011, 11:18:47 PM »
Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #109 on: June 05, 2011, 11:20:58 PM »
LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.
Do you live in New Jersey? My childhood racist Canadian professor would always rant about how New Jersey firmly established the word "like" in Northeast vernacular.

I'm also part valley girl AND from Jersey. "Like" isn't going anywhere, unfortunately.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #110 on: June 05, 2011, 11:27:16 PM »
LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.

Oh, that I had the Valley Girl cadence and tone to go with it. OMG that'd be, like, totally.
I developed a bad habit of saying "like" in High School. I dropped it somewhere along the way. I'm like totally not sure where.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #111 on: June 05, 2011, 11:27:42 PM »
LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.
Do you live in New Jersey? My childhood racist Canadian professor would always rant about how New Jersey firmly established the word "like" in Northeast vernacular.

I'm also part valley girl AND from Jersey. "Like" isn't going anywhere, unfortunately.

No, Michigan. I think this mostly came in via the media, because I grew up in the middle of nowhere and none of the adults I grew up around talk this way.

Now if we want to start on Michigander English, dere's so mach to say; we kin bolth laugh and cry about dat. I'munna not go dere right now though.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #112 on: June 05, 2011, 11:29:50 PM »
Let's not forget about de-thaw (for "thaw" or "de-ice"), hot water heater and ink pen.
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« Reply #113 on: June 06, 2011, 01:29:46 AM »
LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.

Oh, that I had the Valley Girl cadence and tone to go with it. OMG that'd be, like, totally.

There have always been what you call "crutch words" or intonational patterns in speech which serve the same function: hold on, I am still thinking and am not quite finished yet.

The development of the so-call "Valley Girl" talk is interesting. The raising tone on nearly every sentence, which typically in English suggests a question, functions primarily to suggest that anyone is allowed to break into the discourse. This pattern of speech can been seen in Appalachia through to the Ozarks and those folks settling into the LA valley brought that cadence of speech with them.

Where I grew up, most sentences had an upwards rising tone to function as described above. Not nearly as pronounced as the Valley-Tone, but it was still there.
 
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« Reply #114 on: June 06, 2011, 01:31:47 AM »
But I do agree the excess of the word like is obnoxious. And easily caught no matter how hard you try, if you are surrounded by many who use it.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #115 on: June 06, 2011, 01:34:30 AM »
Hah, I wouldn't have connected Valley girl talk to the Ozarks!

Whatever it is, it needs to go away. I used to talk like that really strongly in high school (and I wasn't the typical valley girl, so imagine a girl saying something like "And so, I was like totally reading about spies in the Cold War era last night, like, oh my God!"). Thankfully. moving to the South has tempered that a bit. (Now it's "like" AND "y'all." The horror!)


But when I get really excited, it all comes out again. As I say, you can take the girl out of Jersey, but you can't take the Jersey out of the girl.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #116 on: June 06, 2011, 01:35:53 AM »
Let's not forget about de-thaw (for "thaw" or "de-ice"), hot water heater and ink pen.

You why ink pen exists? We used it as I grew up. Cause we pronounced pin and pen exactly the same. The vowel reduction and the actual common use of pins and less common use of pens, meant there had to be some way to differentiate the two.

Been the hardest of my strong accent markers to break. Till this day, when I ask for a pen, people often ask why I need a pin. Even non Native Speakers have corrected my pronunciation.



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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2011, 01:38:29 AM »
Let's not forget about de-thaw.

Let's not even go all George Carlin on all the absurd ways we use the prefix pre: preheat, preboard, pretreat, etc.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2011, 08:43:11 AM »
I threatened it: Myth.

It has been used on this board too many times lately in subject headings.

Please correct your usage. You are probably looking for something like fallacy, misconception, falsehood, misunderstanding, or the like.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #119 on: December 11, 2011, 10:54:39 PM »
If you are thinking about using the word methodology, consider dropping the ology. You will probably be better off.

Another way of fancying up language to make things sound more important than they are.




 

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #120 on: December 11, 2011, 11:07:22 PM »
Decimate.

Oh, and African-American as a classification for race.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #121 on: December 12, 2011, 12:01:09 AM »
Decimate.

Oh, and African-American as a classification for race.

I love the look on black people's faces (more than white people) when I tell them I'm African American.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #122 on: December 12, 2011, 12:09:20 AM »
Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2011, 01:54:45 AM »
Decimate.

Oh, and African-American as a classification for race.

I love the look on black people's faces (more than white people) when I tell them I'm African American.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2011, 03:16:45 AM »
Has anyone read The Joy of Lex? One of my favorite books.

I especially like the definition of "fornicate". PM me and I'll tell you what it is.

http://www.amazon.com/Joy-Lex-Amazing-Amusing-Words/dp/1861053991



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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #125 on: December 12, 2011, 03:26:00 AM »
Decimate.

Oh, and African-American as a classification for race.

I love the look on black people's faces (more than white people) when I tell them I'm African American.

Yes, so funny.

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« Reply #126 on: December 12, 2011, 04:23:15 AM »
I hope this is not too off topic, but I thought I'd share this gem from the book I mentioned earlier, The Joy of Lex.

An actual 1959 book review of "Lady Chatterly's Lover" from the magazine Field and Stream:


"Although written many years ago, "Lady Chatterly's Lover" has just been reissued by the Gove Press, and this pictorial account of the day-by-day life of an English gamekeeper is full of considerable interest to outdoor-minded readers as it contains many passages on pheasant-raising, the apprehending of poachers, ways to control vermin, and other chores and duties of the professional gamekeeper.

Unfortunately one is obliged to wade through many pages of extraneous material in order to discover and savor these sidelights on the management of a Midland shooting estate, and in this reviewer's opinion the book cannot take the place of J. Miller's Practical Gamekeeping."




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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #127 on: December 12, 2011, 06:48:19 AM »
A favorite of mine, and one that appears with great frequency on the two fora at which I post (here and ByzCath) ... Cannon for Canon.

While we may hurl anathemas based on the Canons, we rarely need to use Cannons to do so.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #128 on: December 12, 2011, 10:12:41 AM »
"Define irony.  Bunch of idiots dancing on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash."
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #129 on: December 12, 2011, 10:15:36 AM »
A favorite of mine, and one that appears with great frequency on the two fora at which I post (here and ByzCath) ... Cannon for Canon.

While we may hurl anathemas based on the Canons, we rarely need to use Cannons to do so.

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LOL! Nice one.  :)


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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #130 on: December 12, 2011, 01:02:30 PM »
Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #131 on: April 02, 2012, 11:27:40 PM »
Dave: Considering that you've been caught plagiarizing three times in the last two weeks, I'm afraid I will have to take this latest claim with a grain of salt.
Bob: Ad hominem! Ad hominem! You can't answer my question so you attack me personally!


you stupid fool


this brings up a theological issue that is quite the sexy scenario




We all have an El Guapo to face. Be brave, and fight like lions!

Form a 'brute squad' then!

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #132 on: December 05, 2012, 07:09:39 PM »
First principles

Seen recently on this board.

Another that sticks in the crawl.
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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #133 on: June 10, 2013, 12:09:19 AM »
What's going on up in here?
We all have an El Guapo to face. Be brave, and fight like lions!

Form a 'brute squad' then!

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Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #134 on: June 10, 2013, 12:17:20 AM »