Author Topic: That begs the question: What is irony?  (Read 8980 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Ioannis Climacus

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 863
  • "There is no religion higher than TRUTH"
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2011, 11:43:43 PM »
I would be inclined to say that many political and social terms have loss true meaning due to their overuse (especially as a pejorative). I am talking those "loaded" words such as Fascist, Nazi, Communist, Racist, Anti-Semite, Sexist, etc. These words are typically used more or less to draw attention and/or offend people. Rarely do I see them applied accurately in a given situation.

In fact, George Orwell spoke on this very abuse of words :
Quote from: Eric Blair
"It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else."
Note : Many of my posts (especially the ones antedating late 2012) do not reflect charity, tact, or even views I presently hold. Please forgive me for any antagonism I have caused.

Offline FormerReformer

  • Convertodox of the convertodox
  • Site Supporter
  • Archon
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,554
    • Music and Orthodoxy
  • Faith: Convertodox
  • Jurisdiction: Netodoxy
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2011, 11:50:19 PM »
Irregardless.

I had a room-mate who constantly used that one, so much so that I found it popping out of my mouth (and keyboard) if I wasn't paying attention.  Took me months to get rid of the habit after getting rid of the room-mate.
"Funny," said Lancelot, "how the people who can't pray say that prayers are not answered, however much the people who can pray say they are."  TH White

Oh, no: I've succumbed to Hyperdoxy!

Offline Cognomen

  • Site Supporter
  • OC.net guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,972
  • Ungrateful Biped
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2011, 11:58:43 PM »
I would be inclined to say that many political and social terms have loss true meaning due to their overuse (especially as a pejorative). I am talking those "loaded" words such as Fascist, Nazi, Communist, Racist, Anti-Semite, Sexist, etc. These words are typically used more or less to draw attention and/or offend people. Rarely do I see them applied accurately in a given situation.

Very good introduction of a whole category. Apparently the common understanding of Fascist is: "Stuff you do not like."  My favorite may be the combination or interchangeability of certain terms like Fascist/Communist as if anything ending in ist that you don't like is essentially the same irregardless.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2011, 12:07:27 AM by Cognomen »
North American Eastern Orthodox Parish Council Delegate for the Canonization of Saints Twin Towers and Pentagon, as well as the Propagation of the Doctrine of the Assumption of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (NAEOPCDCSTTPPDAMAFM®).

Online Iconodule

  • Uranopolitan
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,751
  • "My god is greater."
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Ecumenical Patriarchate (ACROD)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2011, 12:19:35 AM »
Irregardless.

I had a room-mate who constantly used that one, so much so that I found it popping out of my mouth (and keyboard) if I wasn't paying attention.  Took me months to get rid of the habit after getting rid of the room-mate.

I think some people think adding an extra syllable, and thereby lengthening the word, makes them sound more intelligent. News channel talking heads use it fairly regularly. Apparently defenders of good English have been battling this dumb word since at least the early 20th century.

Offline Justin Kissel

  • *
  • Protospatharios
  • ****************
  • Posts: 32,233
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2011, 12:30:10 AM »
"Let me ax you a question..."

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2011, 12:31:37 AM »
"Let me ax you a question..."

We can't go down the pronunciation path . . . We'll be here forever
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline Cognomen

  • Site Supporter
  • OC.net guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,972
  • Ungrateful Biped
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2011, 01:11:05 AM »
We can't go down the pronunciation path . . . We'll be here forever

It's pronounciation for the purposes of this thread.
North American Eastern Orthodox Parish Council Delegate for the Canonization of Saints Twin Towers and Pentagon, as well as the Propagation of the Doctrine of the Assumption of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (NAEOPCDCSTTPPDAMAFM®).

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,300
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2011, 12:38:57 PM »
Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2011, 12:48:12 PM »
Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline Shlomlokh

  • 主哀れめよ!
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,323
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2011, 12:54:57 PM »
I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

In Christ,
Andrew
"I will pour out my prayer unto the Lord, and to Him will I proclaim my grief; for with evils my soul is filled, and my life unto hades hath drawn nigh, and like Jonah I will pray: From corruption raise me up, O God." -Ode VI, Irmos of the Supplicatory Canon to the Theotokos

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,300
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2011, 12:58:29 PM »
Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline genesisone

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,680
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antioch
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2011, 01:14:41 PM »
Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
My background is in Romance languages, so I recognized the fer- root. I actually thought it quite clever  ;D.

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,300
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2011, 01:26:24 PM »
Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
My background is in Romance languages, so I recognized the fer- root. I actually thought it quite clever  ;D.
;D
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2011, 01:36:23 PM »
Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?

Languages and chemistry. Thought you might be trying some with "ferrous", but thought there might a pop culture reference I wasn't getting.
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,300
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2011, 02:02:06 PM »
Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?

Languages and chemistry. Thought you might be trying some with "ferrous", but thought there might a pop culture reference I wasn't getting.

Nope...you should have went with your gut feeling....it's that straight forward  :angel:
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline Shlomlokh

  • 主哀れめよ!
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,323
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2011, 04:49:25 PM »
I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

In Christ,
Andrew
I thought my little post here was brilliant. Can anyone tell what three mistakes are there? ;)

In Christ,
Andrew
"I will pour out my prayer unto the Lord, and to Him will I proclaim my grief; for with evils my soul is filled, and my life unto hades hath drawn nigh, and like Jonah I will pray: From corruption raise me up, O God." -Ode VI, Irmos of the Supplicatory Canon to the Theotokos

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,300
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2011, 04:56:21 PM »
I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

In Christ,
Andrew
I thought my little post here was brilliant. Can anyone tell what three mistakes are there? ;)

In Christ,
Andrew

of should be have, "could care less" should be "could be careless" and your name is not Andrew?
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline Justin Kissel

  • *
  • Protospatharios
  • ****************
  • Posts: 32,233
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2011, 04:58:04 PM »
I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

In Christ,
Andrew
I thought my little post here was brilliant. Can anyone tell what three mistakes are there? ;)

In Christ,
Andrew

of should be have, "could care less" should be "could be careless" and your name is not Andrew?

Third one is intensive, not sure about your second one...

EDIT--EDITED to edit something
« Last Edit: February 05, 2011, 04:58:44 PM by Asteriktos »

Offline FormerReformer

  • Convertodox of the convertodox
  • Site Supporter
  • Archon
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,554
    • Music and Orthodoxy
  • Faith: Convertodox
  • Jurisdiction: Netodoxy
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2011, 05:01:18 PM »
I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

In Christ,
Andrew
I thought my little post here was brilliant. Can anyone tell what three mistakes are there? ;)

In Christ,
Andrew

"Of" instead of "have", "intents and purposes".  I don't know if you could, should, or couldn't care less, but props on avoiding one of my favorite pet peeves: saying "careless" as opposed to "care less" when talking about how little you could care.
"Funny," said Lancelot, "how the people who can't pray say that prayers are not answered, however much the people who can pray say they are."  TH White

Oh, no: I've succumbed to Hyperdoxy!

Offline Shlomlokh

  • 主哀れめよ!
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,323
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2011, 05:04:07 PM »
Bingo! I get so peeved when I hear people say "I could care less!" Because they obviously mean they could not care less.  :P

Oh and my name is Andrew. :) Anyone have any others?

In Christ,
Andrew
"I will pour out my prayer unto the Lord, and to Him will I proclaim my grief; for with evils my soul is filled, and my life unto hades hath drawn nigh, and like Jonah I will pray: From corruption raise me up, O God." -Ode VI, Irmos of the Supplicatory Canon to the Theotokos

Offline Punch

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 5,801
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2011, 05:04:30 PM »
I got it and thought that it was rather funny.  

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,300
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2011, 05:06:44 PM »
Bingo! I get so peeved when I hear people say "I could care less!" Because they obviously mean they could not care less.  :P

Oh and my name is Andrew. :) Anyone have any others?

In Christ,
Andrew

Your whole post was quite ferrish  :P
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline Justin Kissel

  • *
  • Protospatharios
  • ****************
  • Posts: 32,233
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2011, 05:09:46 PM »
I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

Offline FormerReformer

  • Convertodox of the convertodox
  • Site Supporter
  • Archon
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,554
    • Music and Orthodoxy
  • Faith: Convertodox
  • Jurisdiction: Netodoxy
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2011, 05:11:51 PM »
I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

I think my brain just exploded.
"Funny," said Lancelot, "how the people who can't pray say that prayers are not answered, however much the people who can pray say they are."  TH White

Oh, no: I've succumbed to Hyperdoxy!

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,300
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2011, 05:12:35 PM »
I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

That's unpossible!
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline genesisone

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,680
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antioch
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #70 on: February 05, 2011, 05:25:45 PM »

Oh and my name is Andrew. :) Anyone have any others?

In Christ,
Andrew
Yes, my name is Jim  :).

Offline Justin Kissel

  • *
  • Protospatharios
  • ****************
  • Posts: 32,233
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #71 on: February 05, 2011, 05:26:49 PM »
 :D

Offline Cognomen

  • Site Supporter
  • OC.net guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,972
  • Ungrateful Biped
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2011, 06:28:23 PM »
That's unpossible!

Ahh, hopefully taken from another category: Pop culture/internet vernacular.  "Trickeration" would be an example. 

I didn't get your ferrish joke, but that's my fault; I need my sciences to be spongy. 

Another:  Calvary substituted for Cavalry, or vice versa.  Come to think of it, visah versa bugs me a bit too.  ;D
North American Eastern Orthodox Parish Council Delegate for the Canonization of Saints Twin Towers and Pentagon, as well as the Propagation of the Doctrine of the Assumption of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (NAEOPCDCSTTPPDAMAFM®).

Offline ComingHome

  • Elder
  • *****
  • Posts: 302
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2011, 08:12:29 PM »
I've heard several people lately say, "We were just conversating."  By which, I assume they mean they were having a conversation.

But my all time most despised is when people use "you and I" when it should be "you and me" and think that they are so wise and intelligent.  Example:  "just between you and I" and "she told it to you and I"  For some reason some cannot grasp the difference between the subjective and objective cases! 

Offline Cognomen

  • Site Supporter
  • OC.net guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,972
  • Ungrateful Biped
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2011, 08:19:46 PM »
I've heard several people lately say, "We were just conversating."  By which, I assume they mean they were having a conversation.
Or conversing.
Quote
But my all time most despised is when people use "you and I" when it should be "you and me" and think that they are so wise and intelligent.  Example:  "just between you and I" and "she told it to you and I"  For some reason some cannot grasp the difference between the subjective and objective cases! 

I definately <--- see the "you and I" thing on internet forums.
North American Eastern Orthodox Parish Council Delegate for the Canonization of Saints Twin Towers and Pentagon, as well as the Propagation of the Doctrine of the Assumption of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (NAEOPCDCSTTPPDAMAFM®).

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,300
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2011, 08:59:16 PM »
That's unpossible!

Ahh, hopefully taken from another category: Pop culture/internet vernacular.  "Trickeration" would be an example. 

I didn't get your ferrish joke, but that's my fault; I need my sciences to be spongy. 

Another:  Calvary substituted for Cavalry, or vice versa.  Come to think of it, visah versa bugs me a bit too.  ;D

You guessed correctly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSD9lPVY6Q

Now what about this one:  "Refutiate"....now now, don't cheat and search online for this one...
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #76 on: February 06, 2011, 03:15:01 AM »
But my all time most despised is when people use "you and I" when it should be "you and me" and think that they are so wise and intelligent.  Example:  "just between you and I" and "she told it to you and I"  For some reason some cannot grasp the difference between the subjective and objective cases! 

I was waiting for a post like this to begin ranting about the "rules" taught in grammers which have no bearing on English but came out of the desire for English to speak Latin.

Not saying your example is one, but it does ring close. I'll learn y'all more later.
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline Justin Kissel

  • *
  • Protospatharios
  • ****************
  • Posts: 32,233
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #77 on: February 06, 2011, 04:26:10 PM »
I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

I think my brain just exploded.

I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

That's unpossible!

The conundrum for you people is, who you can turn too too understand (e.g. overstand) what exactly it is I’m trying too say too you. Or did I loose you again? You could of followed me if: you had just took you’re time. 

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #78 on: June 04, 2011, 04:28:35 AM »
OK. Even after explaining this one, this word keeps popping up here: myth.
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline IsmiLiora

  • Chronic Exaggerator
  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,434
  • Back by unpopular demand.
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #79 on: June 04, 2011, 01:37:55 PM »
This is truly snotty, but I cannot take anyone seriously when they type: "I should of got the paper this morning."


Should HAVE!

SHOULD HAVE!
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
--
"For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
--
I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view --
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #80 on: June 04, 2011, 01:43:13 PM »
This is truly snotty, but I cannot take anyone seriously when they type: "I should of got the paper this morning."


Should HAVE!

SHOULD HAVE!

Ain't snotty.

But really they should be typing should've or shudda depending where they are typing and how close they are trying to get across their vernacular.

If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Online Iconodule

  • Uranopolitan
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,751
  • "My god is greater."
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Ecumenical Patriarchate (ACROD)
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #81 on: June 04, 2011, 01:53:27 PM »
I've noticed that in some early modern English literature that double negatives are very frequent, so much so that I wonder if the rule against them is a bit arbitrary.

Offline Kasatkin fan

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 636
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #82 on: June 04, 2011, 02:10:19 PM »
I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".


"The cars were literally flying past me!"

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #83 on: June 04, 2011, 02:12:00 PM »
I've noticed that in some early modern English literature that double negatives are very frequent, so much so that I wonder if the rule against them is a bit arbitrary.

Comes from the Latinzation of the language when the grammar books were developed for mass education.

In Germanic languages, double, triple, quadruple negation has been a way of emphasizing the negation (as I understand Slavic languages do this as well), but they too have suffered under the "negation rule."

The English I grew up speaking the and the German I spoke day to day, multiple negation was done frequently too clearly make a point of emphasis.

"Ain't no way no one would never do nothing like that."

« Last Edit: June 04, 2011, 02:14:32 PM by orthonorm »
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2011, 02:13:59 PM »
I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".


"The cars were literally flying past me!"

My joke I have nowadays is my use of "figuratively:

Last night I *figuratively* went to the store and some milk.

Rly, I much more of a laugh riot in person.
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline Cognomen

  • Site Supporter
  • OC.net guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,972
  • Ungrateful Biped
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2011, 03:23:13 PM »
I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".
"The cars were literally flying past me!"

Surprised as well. Good call!

My joke I have nowadays is my use of "figuratively:

Similarly, I try to throw a "theoretically" onto the end of things for no other reason than hijinks. 

North American Eastern Orthodox Parish Council Delegate for the Canonization of Saints Twin Towers and Pentagon, as well as the Propagation of the Doctrine of the Assumption of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (NAEOPCDCSTTPPDAMAFM®).

Offline IsmiLiora

  • Chronic Exaggerator
  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,434
  • Back by unpopular demand.
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2011, 07:17:23 PM »
I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
--
"For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
--
I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view --
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #87 on: June 05, 2011, 01:54:59 AM »
I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.

In lieu of disconcerting or to mean lack of concern?

If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline Saint Iaint

  • This Poster Has Ignored Multiple Requests to Behave Better
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 625
  • The Truth Shall Be Reviled
    • Christ Conquers
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #88 on: June 05, 2011, 06:05:15 AM »

EDIT--EDITED to edit something

Ha! Well done!

This here thread has done began to take on a life of it's own.

†IC XC†
†NI KA†
Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute...

Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth.

Offline IsmiLiora

  • Chronic Exaggerator
  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 3,434
  • Back by unpopular demand.
Re: That begs the question: What is irony?
« Reply #89 on: June 05, 2011, 05:52:06 PM »
I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.

In lieu of disconcerting or to mean lack of concern?


The former.
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
--
"For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18
--
I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view --
Life went on no matter who was wrong or right