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« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2011, 11:43:43 PM »

I would be inclined to say that many political and social terms have loss true meaning due to their overuse (especially as a pejorative). I am talking those "loaded" words such as Fascist, Nazi, Communist, Racist, Anti-Semite, Sexist, etc. These words are typically used more or less to draw attention and/or offend people. Rarely do I see them applied accurately in a given situation.

In fact, George Orwell spoke on this very abuse of words :
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"It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else."
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« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2011, 11:50:19 PM »

Irregardless.

I had a room-mate who constantly used that one, so much so that I found it popping out of my mouth (and keyboard) if I wasn't paying attention.  Took me months to get rid of the habit after getting rid of the room-mate.
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« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2011, 11:58:43 PM »

I would be inclined to say that many political and social terms have loss true meaning due to their overuse (especially as a pejorative). I am talking those "loaded" words such as Fascist, Nazi, Communist, Racist, Anti-Semite, Sexist, etc. These words are typically used more or less to draw attention and/or offend people. Rarely do I see them applied accurately in a given situation.

Very good introduction of a whole category. Apparently the common understanding of Fascist is: "Stuff you do not like."  My favorite may be the combination or interchangeability of certain terms like Fascist/Communist as if anything ending in ist that you don't like is essentially the same irregardless.
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« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2011, 12:19:35 AM »

Irregardless.

I had a room-mate who constantly used that one, so much so that I found it popping out of my mouth (and keyboard) if I wasn't paying attention.  Took me months to get rid of the habit after getting rid of the room-mate.

I think some people think adding an extra syllable, and thereby lengthening the word, makes them sound more intelligent. News channel talking heads use it fairly regularly. Apparently defenders of good English have been battling this dumb word since at least the early 20th century.
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"Let me ax you a question..."

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« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2011, 01:11:05 AM »

We can't go down the pronunciation path . . . We'll be here forever

It's pronounciation for the purposes of this thread.
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« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2011, 12:38:57 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"
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« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2011, 12:48:12 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .
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« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2011, 12:54:57 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2011, 12:58:29 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
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« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2011, 01:14:41 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
My background is in Romance languages, so I recognized the fer- root. I actually thought it quite clever  Grin.
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« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2011, 01:26:24 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
My background is in Romance languages, so I recognized the fer- root. I actually thought it quite clever  Grin.
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« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2011, 01:36:23 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?

Languages and chemistry. Thought you might be trying some with "ferrous", but thought there might a pop culture reference I wasn't getting.
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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2011, 02:02:06 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?

Languages and chemistry. Thought you might be trying some with "ferrous", but thought there might a pop culture reference I wasn't getting.

Nope...you should have went with your gut feeling....it's that straight forward  angel
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« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2011, 04:49:25 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2011, 04:56:21 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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of should be have, "could care less" should be "could be careless" and your name is not Andrew?
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« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2011, 04:58:04 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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I thought my little post here was brilliant. Can anyone tell what three mistakes are there? Wink

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of should be have, "could care less" should be "could be careless" and your name is not Andrew?

Third one is intensive, not sure about your second one...

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« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2011, 05:01:18 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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"Of" instead of "have", "intents and purposes".  I don't know if you could, should, or couldn't care less, but props on avoiding one of my favorite pet peeves: saying "careless" as opposed to "care less" when talking about how little you could care.
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« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2011, 05:04:07 PM »

Bingo! I get so peeved when I hear people say "I could care less!" Because they obviously mean they could not care less.  Tongue

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« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2011, 05:04:30 PM »

I got it and thought that it was rather funny.  

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

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did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
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« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2011, 05:06:44 PM »

Bingo! I get so peeved when I hear people say "I could care less!" Because they obviously mean they could not care less.  Tongue

Oh and my name is Andrew. Smiley Anyone have any others?

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Your whole post was quite ferrish  Tongue
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« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2011, 05:11:51 PM »

I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

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« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2011, 05:12:35 PM »

I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

That's unpossible!
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Oh and my name is Andrew. Smiley Anyone have any others?

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« Reply #71 on: February 05, 2011, 05:26:49 PM »

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That's unpossible!

Ahh, hopefully taken from another category: Pop culture/internet vernacular.  "Trickeration" would be an example. 

I didn't get your ferrish joke, but that's my fault; I need my sciences to be spongy. 

Another:  Calvary substituted for Cavalry, or vice versa.  Come to think of it, visah versa bugs me a bit too.  Grin
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« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2011, 08:12:29 PM »

I've heard several people lately say, "We were just conversating."  By which, I assume they mean they were having a conversation.

But my all time most despised is when people use "you and I" when it should be "you and me" and think that they are so wise and intelligent.  Example:  "just between you and I" and "she told it to you and I"  For some reason some cannot grasp the difference between the subjective and objective cases! 
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« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2011, 08:19:46 PM »

I've heard several people lately say, "We were just conversating."  By which, I assume they mean they were having a conversation.
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But my all time most despised is when people use "you and I" when it should be "you and me" and think that they are so wise and intelligent.  Example:  "just between you and I" and "she told it to you and I"  For some reason some cannot grasp the difference between the subjective and objective cases! 

I definately <--- see the "you and I" thing on internet forums.
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« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2011, 08:59:16 PM »

That's unpossible!

Ahh, hopefully taken from another category: Pop culture/internet vernacular.  "Trickeration" would be an example. 

I didn't get your ferrish joke, but that's my fault; I need my sciences to be spongy. 

Another:  Calvary substituted for Cavalry, or vice versa.  Come to think of it, visah versa bugs me a bit too.  Grin

You guessed correctly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSD9lPVY6Q

Now what about this one:  "Refutiate"....now now, don't cheat and search online for this one...
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« Reply #76 on: February 06, 2011, 03:15:01 AM »

But my all time most despised is when people use "you and I" when it should be "you and me" and think that they are so wise and intelligent.  Example:  "just between you and I" and "she told it to you and I"  For some reason some cannot grasp the difference between the subjective and objective cases! 

I was waiting for a post like this to begin ranting about the "rules" taught in grammers which have no bearing on English but came out of the desire for English to speak Latin.

Not saying your example is one, but it does ring close. I'll learn y'all more later.
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I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

I think my brain just exploded.

I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

That's unpossible!

The conundrum for you people is, who you can turn too too understand (e.g. overstand) what exactly it is I’m trying too say too you. Or did I loose you again? You could of followed me if: you had just took you’re time. 
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« Reply #78 on: June 04, 2011, 04:28:35 AM »

OK. Even after explaining this one, this word keeps popping up here: myth.
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« Reply #79 on: June 04, 2011, 01:37:55 PM »

This is truly snotty, but I cannot take anyone seriously when they type: "I should of got the paper this morning."


Should HAVE!

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« Reply #80 on: June 04, 2011, 01:43:13 PM »

This is truly snotty, but I cannot take anyone seriously when they type: "I should of got the paper this morning."


Should HAVE!

SHOULD HAVE!

Ain't snotty.

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« Reply #81 on: June 04, 2011, 01:53:27 PM »

I've noticed that in some early modern English literature that double negatives are very frequent, so much so that I wonder if the rule against them is a bit arbitrary.
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« Reply #82 on: June 04, 2011, 02:10:19 PM »

I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".


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« Reply #83 on: June 04, 2011, 02:12:00 PM »

I've noticed that in some early modern English literature that double negatives are very frequent, so much so that I wonder if the rule against them is a bit arbitrary.

Comes from the Latinzation of the language when the grammar books were developed for mass education.

In Germanic languages, double, triple, quadruple negation has been a way of emphasizing the negation (as I understand Slavic languages do this as well), but they too have suffered under the "negation rule."

The English I grew up speaking the and the German I spoke day to day, multiple negation was done frequently too clearly make a point of emphasis.

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« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2011, 02:13:59 PM »

I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".


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My joke I have nowadays is my use of "figuratively:

Last night I *figuratively* went to the store and some milk.

Rly, I much more of a laugh riot in person.
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« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2011, 03:23:13 PM »

I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".
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Surprised as well. Good call!

My joke I have nowadays is my use of "figuratively:

Similarly, I try to throw a "theoretically" onto the end of things for no other reason than hijinks. 

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« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2011, 07:17:23 PM »

I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.
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« Reply #87 on: June 05, 2011, 01:54:59 AM »

I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.

In lieu of disconcerting or to mean lack of concern?

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« Reply #88 on: June 05, 2011, 06:05:15 AM »


EDIT--EDITED to edit something

Ha! Well done!

This here thread has done began to take on a life of it's own.

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« Reply #89 on: June 05, 2011, 05:52:06 PM »

I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.

In lieu of disconcerting or to mean lack of concern?


The former.
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