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« on: February 02, 2011, 01:36:32 AM »

Language curmudgeons unite!

Discuss words, phrases, tropes, what have you, that you think are used incorrectly or have been emptied of all meaning!

NOTE: I truly am a descriptivist at heart (words mean as they are used), but some words and phrases kill me when I hear them mis-used.

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Irony
Begs the question

An oldie but goodie: inflammable.

I have many. But would like to let my fellow cantankerous lexicographers vent.

Absurd neologisms and jargon are welcome as are backronyms and all other forms of proliferating lingual laxity.


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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 01:57:15 AM »

How about the overused: devestating, devestated, etc. is my favorite in this category.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 01:59:55 AM »

How about the overused: devestating, devestated, etc. is my favorite in this category.

Decimated!

Just the other day, a neighbor told me their team decimated the other in some stupid video game.

I asked: You reduced them by a tenth?

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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 02:11:45 AM »

Well, you've already used my primary one in a most insensitive fashion, but there are several other minor ones.

I'm somewhat disappointed that the meaning of unbelievable has managed to change.

I second both the overuse of devastated and the brazenly incorrect usage of decimated!

On a semi-related note, I recently overheard this conversation:
"Yeah, my brother is quite the renaissance man."
"Oh? Mine is too; you should see his costumes."   Embarrassed
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 02:15:10 AM »

I bet that before the 15th post a Canadian or Englishperson will slam Amerikans for how we use dat dere English. In the mean time, I approve of the geekery going on in this thread.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 02:30:41 AM »

I bet that before the 15th post a Canadian or Englishperson will slam Amerikans for how we use dat dere English. In the mean time, I approve of the geekery going on in this thread.

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 02:57:57 AM »

I bet that before the 15th post a Canadian or Englishperson will slam Amerikans for how we use dat dere English. In the mean time, I approve of the geekery going on in this thread.

American is spoken here. There will be no room for Little Lord Fauntleroy Nancy-Boy Boarding School for Sniveling Albino Hemophiliacs shenanigans here.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2011, 09:05:47 AM »

On a semi-related note, I recently overheard this conversation:
"Yeah, my brother is quite the renaissance man."
"Oh? Mine is too; you should see his costumes."   Embarrassed

That reminds me of when I was in college.

"What are you studying?" someone would ask.
"Classics."
"Oh, I love Dickens!"
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2011, 09:47:05 AM »

The mispronunciation of etcetera always makes me cringe.  "Excetra" is the worst offender.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2011, 09:50:35 AM »

My biggest peeve is when nouns are used as verbs; for example, "tasked." And I bridle whenever the word "unique" is qualified: something is either unique or it's not. It's not very, kind of, unusually or almost unique.
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2011, 10:14:13 AM »

I bet that before the 15th post a Canadian or Englishperson will slam Amerikans for how we use dat dere English. In the mean time, I approve of the geekery going on in this thread.

What kind of differences there are between American and Canadian English?
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2011, 10:26:55 AM »

I bet that before the 15th post a Canadian or Englishperson will slam Amerikans for how we use dat dere English. In the mean time, I approve of the geekery going on in this thread.

What kind of differences there are between American and Canadian English?

...eh?
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2011, 10:33:31 AM »

I bet that before the 15th post a Canadian or Englishperson will slam Amerikans for how we use dat dere English. In the mean time, I approve of the geekery going on in this thread.

What kind of differences there are between American and Canadian English?

It is like American English except you sprinkle in words like deke and fluky and end most sentences with an upward inflection to turn them into questions.  It also helps if you randomly insult the Newfies.  
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I bet that before the 15th post a Canadian or Englishperson will slam Amerikans for how we use dat dere English. In the mean time, I approve of the geekery going on in this thread.

What kind of differences there are between American and Canadian English?

You want me to make a post aboot that, eh?   police
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2011, 10:47:10 AM »

"Safe haven".
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2011, 12:03:58 PM »

My biggest peeve is the misuse of words such as less/fewer and bring/take. It seems people are unwilling (or unable) to count, and don't know which way they're headed!
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2011, 12:04:20 PM »

You want me to make a post aboot that, eh?   police

D'oh! I should have thought checking Wikipedia first.

Btw, this topic is actually the first time when it occurs to me that there could be differences between U.S. English and Canadian English.
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2011, 12:31:56 PM »

I'm constantly seeing people misspell the expression "toe the line" as "*tow* the line" - which doesn't mean the same thing at all!!
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I bet that before the 15th post a Canadian or Englishperson will slam Amerikans for how we use dat dere English. In the mean time, I approve of the geekery going on in this thread.

What kind of differences there are between American and Canadian English?

You want me to make a post aboot that, eh?   police


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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 02:34:03 PM »

Y'all must of been English majors!!!
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 07:46:33 PM »

My biggest peeve is the misuse of words such as less/fewer and bring/take. It seems people are unwilling (or unable) to count, and don't know which way they're headed!

I cannot possibly explain the difference between "bring" and "take" to anyone at work.

The difference between the two is going the way of the dinosaurs in America. It seems to my ears, "bring" will eventually capture the meaning of both.
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2011, 07:49:16 PM »

I'm constantly seeing people misspell the expression "toe the line" as "*tow* the line" - which doesn't mean the same thing at all!!

Point taken. But for some of us having to "toe the line", as it were, was the end to many nights before receiving public accommodations courtesy of the State.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2011, 07:50:16 PM »

"Safe haven".

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2011, 07:57:07 PM »

Site, cite, and sight.  Three different words, with three different meanings, one even starts with a "c", but we don't seem able to grasp homophones in this day and age.  Also "homonym" for "homophone".
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Site, cite, and sight.  Three different words, with three different meanings, one even starts with a "c", but we don't seem able to grasp homophones in this day and age.  Also "homonym" for "homophone".

It's homophobia.
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2011, 08:09:35 PM »

Y'all must of been English majors!!!

English as a second language.
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Site, cite, and sight.  Three different words, with three different meanings, one even starts with a "c", but we don't seem able to grasp homophones in this day and age.  Also "homonym" for "homophone".

It's homophobia.

Since we are getting into orthography, might as well throw out the latest and lollest of all blunders. My favorite sign in my neighborhood says it all:

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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2011, 08:15:15 PM »

I'm constantly seeing people misspell the expression "toe the line" as "*tow* the line" - which doesn't mean the same thing at all!!
Toe-ing the line is much harder than towing the line, and causes you to walk funny.  But I guess "to each his own" (sa-zich, sa-zone).
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2011, 08:16:30 PM »

Site, cite, and sight.  Three different words, with three different meanings, one even starts with a "c", but we don't seem able to grasp homophones in this day and age.  Also "homonym" for "homophone".
It's homophobia.

Why do you say that?  Are you homophobic?  police   laugh
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My biggest peeve is when nouns are used as verbs; for example, "tasked." And I bridle whenever the word "unique" is qualified: something is either unique or it's not. It's not very, kind of, unusually or almost unique.

This is one thing that Fr. Hopko ever does that strains my ears. He frequently qualifies "unique" improperly.

"Unique" can be qualified properly, just not in degree.

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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2011, 08:17:36 PM »

Site, cite, and sight.  Three different words, with three different meanings, one even starts with a "c", but we don't seem able to grasp homophones in this day and age.  Also "homonym" for "homophone".

They are homophonobic   Wink
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2011, 08:19:58 PM »

In terms of phrases, I think Mr. Burns has overdone "excellent Smithers" and spoiled it for the rest of us. 
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2011, 08:26:02 PM »

When people refer to themselves as an alpha male it makes me laugh out loud.
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2011, 08:33:38 PM »

When people refer to themselves as an alpha male it makes me laugh out loud.
Yes, I have to climb on board with that one as well.  I just heard, a few days ago, someone say on a news show "the alpha male is back."   Tongue
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2011, 08:36:46 PM »

"You can't put all your eggs in one basket" is used by many but its meaning, particularly by experience, known to few. 
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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2011, 08:41:28 PM »

"You can't put all your eggs in one basket" is used by many but its meaning, particularly by experience, known to few. 

Along the same line:

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Surely we can think of a way for something to spread quickly that isn't "like wildfire."
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Ooh, I know that one! (waves hand in the air madly)

It's because when you're buying a horse, you inspect its teeth (among other things), but when someone GIVES you a horse, you should accept it and be grateful.  Even if it's 90 years old and hasn't one tooth left.  Because it's free!

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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2011, 09:25:21 PM »

Ooh, I know that one! (waves hand in the air madly)

It's because when you're buying a horse, you inspect its teeth (among other things), but when someone GIVES you a horse, you should accept it and be grateful.  Even if it's 90 years old and hasn't one tooth left.  Because it's free!

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As a priest i have to look a gift horse in the mouth.  Otherwise, we get a lot of junk that people don't want that doesn't work sitting around the church (and don't sell at yard sales either), so that people don't have to pay the fee to take it down to the dump. 
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Ooh, I know that one! (waves hand in the air madly)

It's because when you're buying a horse, you inspect its teeth (among other things), but when someone GIVES you a horse, you should accept it and be grateful.  Even if it's 90 years old and hasn't one tooth left.  Because it's free!

Am I right?  Will someone give me a horse so I can put this into practice? Cheesy

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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2011, 09:51:29 PM »

"Indescribable" - an adjective describing a noun which can't be described.
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"Indescribable" - an adjective describing a noun which can't be described.

Apophatic much?
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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2011, 10:34:25 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?
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Question:  What is irony?
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OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.
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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2011, 11:10:20 PM »

Irregardless.
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« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2011, 11:43:43 PM »

I would be inclined to say that many political and social terms have loss true meaning due to their overuse (especially as a pejorative). I am talking those "loaded" words such as Fascist, Nazi, Communist, Racist, Anti-Semite, Sexist, etc. These words are typically used more or less to draw attention and/or offend people. Rarely do I see them applied accurately in a given situation.

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« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2011, 11:50:19 PM »

Irregardless.

I had a room-mate who constantly used that one, so much so that I found it popping out of my mouth (and keyboard) if I wasn't paying attention.  Took me months to get rid of the habit after getting rid of the room-mate.
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« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2011, 11:58:43 PM »

I would be inclined to say that many political and social terms have loss true meaning due to their overuse (especially as a pejorative). I am talking those "loaded" words such as Fascist, Nazi, Communist, Racist, Anti-Semite, Sexist, etc. These words are typically used more or less to draw attention and/or offend people. Rarely do I see them applied accurately in a given situation.

Very good introduction of a whole category. Apparently the common understanding of Fascist is: "Stuff you do not like."  My favorite may be the combination or interchangeability of certain terms like Fascist/Communist as if anything ending in ist that you don't like is essentially the same irregardless.
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« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2011, 12:19:35 AM »

Irregardless.

I had a room-mate who constantly used that one, so much so that I found it popping out of my mouth (and keyboard) if I wasn't paying attention.  Took me months to get rid of the habit after getting rid of the room-mate.

I think some people think adding an extra syllable, and thereby lengthening the word, makes them sound more intelligent. News channel talking heads use it fairly regularly. Apparently defenders of good English have been battling this dumb word since at least the early 20th century.
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"Let me ax you a question..."

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We can't go down the pronunciation path . . . We'll be here forever

It's pronounciation for the purposes of this thread.
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« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2011, 12:38:57 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"
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OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .
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« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2011, 12:54:57 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2011, 12:58:29 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
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Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
My background is in Romance languages, so I recognized the fer- root. I actually thought it quite clever  Grin.
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Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?
My background is in Romance languages, so I recognized the fer- root. I actually thought it quite clever  Grin.
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Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?

Languages and chemistry. Thought you might be trying some with "ferrous", but thought there might a pop culture reference I wasn't getting.
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« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2011, 02:02:06 PM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?

Languages and chemistry. Thought you might be trying some with "ferrous", but thought there might a pop culture reference I wasn't getting.

Nope...you should have went with your gut feeling....it's that straight forward  angel
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« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2011, 04:49:25 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2011, 04:56:21 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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of should be have, "could care less" should be "could be careless" and your name is not Andrew?
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I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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I thought my little post here was brilliant. Can anyone tell what three mistakes are there? Wink

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of should be have, "could care less" should be "could be careless" and your name is not Andrew?

Third one is intensive, not sure about your second one...

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« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2011, 05:01:18 PM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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"Of" instead of "have", "intents and purposes".  I don't know if you could, should, or couldn't care less, but props on avoiding one of my favorite pet peeves: saying "careless" as opposed to "care less" when talking about how little you could care.
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Bingo! I get so peeved when I hear people say "I could care less!" Because they obviously mean they could not care less.  Tongue

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« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2011, 05:04:30 PM »

I got it and thought that it was rather funny.  

Question:  What is irony?
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OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

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Bingo! I get so peeved when I hear people say "I could care less!" Because they obviously mean they could not care less.  Tongue

Oh and my name is Andrew. Smiley Anyone have any others?

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Your whole post was quite ferrish  Tongue
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I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.
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I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

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I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

That's unpossible!
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Oh and my name is Andrew. Smiley Anyone have any others?

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Yes, my name is Jim  Smiley.
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« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2011, 06:28:23 PM »

That's unpossible!

Ahh, hopefully taken from another category: Pop culture/internet vernacular.  "Trickeration" would be an example. 

I didn't get your ferrish joke, but that's my fault; I need my sciences to be spongy. 

Another:  Calvary substituted for Cavalry, or vice versa.  Come to think of it, visah versa bugs me a bit too.  Grin
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« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2011, 08:12:29 PM »

I've heard several people lately say, "We were just conversating."  By which, I assume they mean they were having a conversation.

But my all time most despised is when people use "you and I" when it should be "you and me" and think that they are so wise and intelligent.  Example:  "just between you and I" and "she told it to you and I"  For some reason some cannot grasp the difference between the subjective and objective cases! 
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« Reply #74 on: February 05, 2011, 08:19:46 PM »

I've heard several people lately say, "We were just conversating."  By which, I assume they mean they were having a conversation.
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I definately <--- see the "you and I" thing on internet forums.
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« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2011, 08:59:16 PM »

That's unpossible!

Ahh, hopefully taken from another category: Pop culture/internet vernacular.  "Trickeration" would be an example. 

I didn't get your ferrish joke, but that's my fault; I need my sciences to be spongy. 

Another:  Calvary substituted for Cavalry, or vice versa.  Come to think of it, visah versa bugs me a bit too.  Grin

You guessed correctly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSD9lPVY6Q

Now what about this one:  "Refutiate"....now now, don't cheat and search online for this one...
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But my all time most despised is when people use "you and I" when it should be "you and me" and think that they are so wise and intelligent.  Example:  "just between you and I" and "she told it to you and I"  For some reason some cannot grasp the difference between the subjective and objective cases! 

I was waiting for a post like this to begin ranting about the "rules" taught in grammers which have no bearing on English but came out of the desire for English to speak Latin.

Not saying your example is one, but it does ring close. I'll learn y'all more later.
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I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

I think my brain just exploded.

I personally believe that neither me or you can misunderestimate some of are recent new users.

That's unpossible!

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« Reply #78 on: June 04, 2011, 04:28:35 AM »

OK. Even after explaining this one, this word keeps popping up here: myth.
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« Reply #79 on: June 04, 2011, 01:37:55 PM »

This is truly snotty, but I cannot take anyone seriously when they type: "I should of got the paper this morning."


Should HAVE!

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This is truly snotty, but I cannot take anyone seriously when they type: "I should of got the paper this morning."


Should HAVE!

SHOULD HAVE!

Ain't snotty.

But really they should be typing should've or shudda depending where they are typing and how close they are trying to get across their vernacular.

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I've noticed that in some early modern English literature that double negatives are very frequent, so much so that I wonder if the rule against them is a bit arbitrary.
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« Reply #82 on: June 04, 2011, 02:10:19 PM »

I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".


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I've noticed that in some early modern English literature that double negatives are very frequent, so much so that I wonder if the rule against them is a bit arbitrary.

Comes from the Latinzation of the language when the grammar books were developed for mass education.

In Germanic languages, double, triple, quadruple negation has been a way of emphasizing the negation (as I understand Slavic languages do this as well), but they too have suffered under the "negation rule."

The English I grew up speaking the and the German I spoke day to day, multiple negation was done frequently too clearly make a point of emphasis.

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« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2011, 02:13:59 PM »

I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".


"The cars were literally flying past me!"

My joke I have nowadays is my use of "figuratively:

Last night I *figuratively* went to the store and some milk.

Rly, I much more of a laugh riot in person.
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I'm surprised no one in this thread has brought up the use of "literal".
"The cars were literally flying past me!"

Surprised as well. Good call!

My joke I have nowadays is my use of "figuratively:

Similarly, I try to throw a "theoretically" onto the end of things for no other reason than hijinks. 

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« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2011, 07:17:23 PM »

I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.
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I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.

In lieu of disconcerting or to mean lack of concern?

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I've also heard people say "disconcerning." Haaate.

In lieu of disconcerting or to mean lack of concern?


The former.
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« Reply #91 on: June 05, 2011, 09:00:22 PM »

My wife and others I know go "garage sale-ing" (saling?, sailing?).

That's how we said it where I grew up. I have no problem with colloquialism.
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« Reply #92 on: June 05, 2011, 09:04:32 PM »

My wife and others I know go "garage sale-ing" (saling?, sailing?).
In all my years of looking at signs reading "garage sale", it never occurred to me until today to read it as French words that translate to English as "dirty garage"  Tongue.
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"On mass".
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« Reply #94 on: June 05, 2011, 09:29:35 PM »

Per say!
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That's how we said it where I grew up. I have no problem with colloquialism.

He said while interneting...
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Deeply profound.
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Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

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« Reply #98 on: June 05, 2011, 11:03:06 PM »

Per say!
I don't think I've ever seen that one.
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« Reply #99 on: June 05, 2011, 11:03:31 PM »

That's how we said it where I grew up. I have no problem with colloquialism.

He said while interneting...

I dropped a word there: that colloquialism. Really did forget to add it.
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We also used to say this, in the acting biz. "Well, I did theater before I did film."

How do you "do" theater? In the dark? With an audience watching? With a round of applause after? Haha, I kid.

It tends to bother me, but when people ask me about my acting past, I always say, "I did theater" or "I did straight plays, not musicals."

It's like that in Farsi, where if there isn't a verb, you can do (Kardan) a noun. My tutor told me that if you reverse the words (I think you have to say "Fax I do" rather than I do fax"), the connotation can be taken as sexual. But that "begs the question," how do you do a fax?  Tongue
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Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.
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We also used to say this, in the acting biz. "Well, I did theater before I did film."

How do you "do" theater? In the dark? With an audience watching? With a round of applause after? Haha, I kid.

It tends to bother me, but when people ask me about my acting past, I always say, "I did theater" or "I did straight plays, not musicals."

It's like that in Farsi, where if there isn't a verb, you can do (Kardan) a noun. My tutor told me that if you reverse the words (I think you have to say "Fax I do" rather than I do fax"), the connotation can be taken as sexual. But that "begs the question," how do you do a fax?  Tongue

Worst usage ever of this construction:

Tourists: Yeah, we did London last week.
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"Mute" instead of "moot".
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Per say!
I don't think I've ever seen that one.
Lucky.  Wink

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Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.

It's true, it's really a silly rule. I mean, is anyone going to say "That is something with which I will not put!" Honestly...

I'm personally rather opposed to the Latinizations that English underwent. Relatedly, I find this website very interesting: http://anglish.wikia.com/wiki/Headside
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"Mute" instead of "moot".

Too bad all folks spewing moot arguments were not mute as well.
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LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.

Oh, that I had the Valley Girl cadence and tone to go with it. OMG that'd be, like, totally.
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Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.

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LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.
Do you live in New Jersey? My childhood racist Canadian professor would always rant about how New Jersey firmly established the word "like" in Northeast vernacular.

I'm also part valley girl AND from Jersey. "Like" isn't going anywhere, unfortunately.
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« Reply #110 on: June 05, 2011, 11:27:16 PM »

LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.

Oh, that I had the Valley Girl cadence and tone to go with it. OMG that'd be, like, totally.
I developed a bad habit of saying "like" in High School. I dropped it somewhere along the way. I'm like totally not sure where.
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LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.
Do you live in New Jersey? My childhood racist Canadian professor would always rant about how New Jersey firmly established the word "like" in Northeast vernacular.

I'm also part valley girl AND from Jersey. "Like" isn't going anywhere, unfortunately.

No, Michigan. I think this mostly came in via the media, because I grew up in the middle of nowhere and none of the adults I grew up around talk this way.

Now if we want to start on Michigander English, dere's so mach to say; we kin bolth laugh and cry about dat. I'munna not go dere right now though.
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« Reply #112 on: June 05, 2011, 11:29:50 PM »

Let's not forget about de-thaw (for "thaw" or "de-ice"), hot water heater and ink pen.
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LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.

Oh, that I had the Valley Girl cadence and tone to go with it. OMG that'd be, like, totally.

There have always been what you call "crutch words" or intonational patterns in speech which serve the same function: hold on, I am still thinking and am not quite finished yet.

The development of the so-call "Valley Girl" talk is interesting. The raising tone on nearly every sentence, which typically in English suggests a question, functions primarily to suggest that anyone is allowed to break into the discourse. This pattern of speech can been seen in Appalachia through to the Ozarks and those folks settling into the LA valley brought that cadence of speech with them.

Where I grew up, most sentences had an upwards rising tone to function as described above. Not nearly as pronounced as the Valley-Tone, but it was still there.
 
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But I do agree the excess of the word like is obnoxious. And easily caught no matter how hard you try, if you are surrounded by many who use it.
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Hah, I wouldn't have connected Valley girl talk to the Ozarks!

Whatever it is, it needs to go away. I used to talk like that really strongly in high school (and I wasn't the typical valley girl, so imagine a girl saying something like "And so, I was like totally reading about spies in the Cold War era last night, like, oh my God!"). Thankfully. moving to the South has tempered that a bit. (Now it's "like" AND "y'all." The horror!)


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Let's not forget about de-thaw (for "thaw" or "de-ice"), hot water heater and ink pen.

You why ink pen exists? We used it as I grew up. Cause we pronounced pin and pen exactly the same. The vowel reduction and the actual common use of pins and less common use of pens, meant there had to be some way to differentiate the two.

Been the hardest of my strong accent markers to break. Till this day, when I ask for a pen, people often ask why I need a pin. Even non Native Speakers have corrected my pronunciation.



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« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2011, 01:38:29 AM »

Let's not forget about de-thaw.

Let's not even go all George Carlin on all the absurd ways we use the prefix pre: preheat, preboard, pretreat, etc.
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« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2011, 08:43:11 AM »

I threatened it: Myth.

It has been used on this board too many times lately in subject headings.

Please correct your usage. You are probably looking for something like fallacy, misconception, falsehood, misunderstanding, or the like.

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If you are thinking about using the word methodology, consider dropping the ology. You will probably be better off.

Another way of fancying up language to make things sound more important than they are.




 

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Decimate.

Oh, and African-American as a classification for race.
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Decimate.

Oh, and African-American as a classification for race.

I love the look on black people's faces (more than white people) when I tell them I'm African American.
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Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

This is another attempt to make English sound Latin. English has been ending sentences with "prepositions" forever.

Split infinitives, etc. as well. You can pretty much through any grammar rule out the door that reeks of Classical Latin grammar.

I don't think I've ever outright said this to you.

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Decimate.

Oh, and African-American as a classification for race.

I love the look on black people's faces (more than white people) when I tell them I'm African American.
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« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2011, 03:16:45 AM »

Has anyone read The Joy of Lex? One of my favorite books.

I especially like the definition of "fornicate". PM me and I'll tell you what it is.

http://www.amazon.com/Joy-Lex-Amazing-Amusing-Words/dp/1861053991



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Decimate.

Oh, and African-American as a classification for race.

I love the look on black people's faces (more than white people) when I tell them I'm African American.

Yes, so funny.

Anyone of Egyptian descent who is an America could likewise claim that they are African-American.
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I hope this is not too off topic, but I thought I'd share this gem from the book I mentioned earlier, The Joy of Lex.

An actual 1959 book review of "Lady Chatterly's Lover" from the magazine Field and Stream:


"Although written many years ago, "Lady Chatterly's Lover" has just been reissued by the Gove Press, and this pictorial account of the day-by-day life of an English gamekeeper is full of considerable interest to outdoor-minded readers as it contains many passages on pheasant-raising, the apprehending of poachers, ways to control vermin, and other chores and duties of the professional gamekeeper.

Unfortunately one is obliged to wade through many pages of extraneous material in order to discover and savor these sidelights on the management of a Midland shooting estate, and in this reviewer's opinion the book cannot take the place of J. Miller's Practical Gamekeeping."




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A favorite of mine, and one that appears with great frequency on the two fora at which I post (here and ByzCath) ... Cannon for Canon.

While we may hurl anathemas based on the Canons, we rarely need to use Cannons to do so.

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"Define irony.  Bunch of idiots dancing on a plane to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash."
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A favorite of mine, and one that appears with great frequency on the two fora at which I post (here and ByzCath) ... Cannon for Canon.

While we may hurl anathemas based on the Canons, we rarely need to use Cannons to do so.

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Ending sentences with prepositions is something I am against. They are not something you should end sentences with. What do people do it for? What school did these people go to? I won't put up with it.

Ect.

German languages end sentences with "prepositions" whether in the form of what would be considered classical a "preposition" or separable verbal prefixes which nearly always are a "preposition".

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I don't think I've ever outright said this to you.

I love you.

The Christmas Marigold came early this year!

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I hate seeing posts where my weird lingering typing malfunction was in overdrive.

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« Reply #132 on: December 05, 2012, 07:09:39 PM »

First principles

Seen recently on this board.

Another that sticks in the crawl.
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What's going on up in here?
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« Reply #135 on: June 10, 2013, 08:51:02 AM »

What's going on up in here?
To think that something is going on in this thread after two years is a misnomer.
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« Reply #136 on: June 10, 2013, 10:49:11 AM »

What's going on up in here?
To think that something is going on in this thread after two years is a misnomer.

OR just gross misconduct.
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« Reply #138 on: September 14, 2013, 01:04:59 PM »

"the annals of recorded history"
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« Reply #139 on: September 14, 2013, 02:29:12 PM »

LIKE, as a crutch word.

I was, like, driving to church today and almost hit a bird.

Sadly, this was somehow ingrained into me and I cannot, for the life of me, remove this word from my speech. I can't not say it. In my experience it seems that most people under, like, 30 talk this way.

Oh, that I had the Valley Girl cadence and tone to go with it. OMG that'd be, like, totally.

There have always been what you call "crutch words" or intonational patterns in speech which serve the same function: hold on, I am still thinking and am not quite finished yet.

The development of the so-call "Valley Girl" talk is interesting. The raising tone on nearly every sentence, which typically in English suggests a question, functions primarily to suggest that anyone is allowed to break into the discourse. This pattern of speech can been seen in Appalachia through to the Ozarks and those folks settling into the LA valley brought that cadence of speech with them.

Where I grew up, most sentences had an upwards rising tone to function as described above. Not nearly as pronounced as the Valley-Tone, but it was still there.
 
Dude I just watched Clueless the other day.

Great movie...wow.
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« Reply #140 on: September 14, 2013, 02:44:54 PM »

Dude I just watched Clueless the other day.

Great movie...wow.

Alicia Silverstone is always better in movies that make me feel uncomfortably turned on by her, like The Crush.
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« Reply #141 on: September 14, 2013, 03:18:38 PM »


From a football commentator:

“Five straight plays in a row.”
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« Reply #142 on: September 14, 2013, 07:18:19 PM »

I can't tell - are we still being ironic? Or just sarcastic?
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« Reply #143 on: September 14, 2013, 07:24:51 PM »

"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, except for all the others that have been tried" - Franklin D. Churchill
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« Reply #144 on: September 14, 2013, 07:35:21 PM »

"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, except for all the others that have been tried" - Franklin D. Churchill

Wow, who knew a wrestler could be so profound?
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« Reply #145 on: September 15, 2013, 01:36:56 AM »

How about the overused: devestating, devestated, etc. is my favorite in this category.

Decimated!

Just the other day, a neighbor told me their team decimated the other in some stupid video game.

I asked: You reduced them by a tenth?

Neighbor: *Blank stare*

I havent heard that one since high school and the know it all
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« Reply #146 on: September 15, 2013, 01:45:59 AM »

Well, yes, our beloved football coach - the best coach in college football - did indeed refer to the football field as a "triangle" today. But I forgive him. His geometry may be poor, but he still knows how to coach!  Wink


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« Reply #147 on: September 15, 2013, 01:50:56 AM »

Well, yes, our beloved football coach - the best coach in college football - did indeed refer to the football field as a "triangle" today. But I forgive him. His geometry may be poor, but he still knows how to coach!  Wink


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« Reply #148 on: September 15, 2013, 03:23:02 AM »

The only thing more of joke than the NFL is NCAA football. Maybe the SCC has a scintilla of legitimacy. But really, I have no idea how anyone can support college sports, especially football. I've met crack dealers with more scruples than a University Athletic Director.

And save me from Ohio State fans. Notre Dame fans. And Michigan fans. In that order. They are the worst.

All this and no Sandusky mention?

Or was that the scruples bit?

The NFL has been a joke for years but I still watch.
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« Reply #149 on: September 26, 2013, 09:44:31 PM »

"Exploring my spirituality has been a long personal journey for me."

Hey orthonorm, I tried to pack in as much irritating stuff as I could in as short a space as I could, but I'm curious: what irritates you most about this quote?
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"Exploring my spirituality has been a long personal journey for me."

Hey orthonorm, I tried to pack in as much irritating stuff as I could in as short a space as I could, but I'm curious: what irritates you most about this quote?

You shudda tossed in narrative somewhere. Everyone is using it. It is a plague worse than journey.
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« Reply #151 on: September 27, 2013, 01:52:43 AM »

"Exploring my spirituality has been a long personal journey for me."

Hey orthonorm, I tried to pack in as much irritating stuff as I could in as short a space as I could, but I'm curious: what irritates you most about this quote?

personal journey exploring spirituality.

You traveled across the world to find that irritating. I went around the world to pack sardines
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« Reply #152 on: September 27, 2013, 02:29:17 AM »

"Let me ax you a question..."

[ahem] This venerable metathesis is traceable back to Old English. [/ahem]
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« Reply #153 on: November 18, 2013, 02:58:44 AM »

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« Reply #154 on: November 18, 2013, 03:10:58 AM »

Y'all must of been English majors!!!

English as a second language.

No wonder the interest in linguistics!
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« Reply #155 on: November 18, 2013, 03:20:03 AM »

I shouldn't of posted in this thread, but for all intensive purposes, I could care less.

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Beautifully executed with a common English mistake in each clause.

Several of my English professors lamented that most of their Freshmen English students did not realize that "I shouldn't of" is not proper English as students are replacing "of" for "have." However, they write the way they talk.
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« Reply #156 on: November 18, 2013, 03:21:42 AM »

Question:  What is irony?
Answer:  Ferrish?

OK it has been a day and I have no idea what you getting at here. I humbly ask you clarify.

It was a bad joke...it take a while to decipher it, I suppose.  I simply took "irony" to mean something like "metalish"...that is like a metal, or like an iron....hence the "ferrish"

Don't quit your day job . . .

did anyone with a physics or chemistry background get it?

Yes, I got it. Biology and science background. My dad would have loved that one as he was a chemical engineer and astrophysicist.
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« Reply #157 on: November 18, 2013, 03:25:43 AM »

That's unpossible!

Ahh, hopefully taken from another category: Pop culture/internet vernacular.  "Trickeration" would be an example. 

I didn't get your ferrish joke, but that's my fault; I need my sciences to be spongy. 

Another:  Calvary substituted for Cavalry, or vice versa.  Come to think of it, visah versa bugs me a bit too.  Grin

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« Reply #158 on: November 18, 2013, 12:50:07 PM »

That's unpossible!

Ahh, hopefully taken from another category: Pop culture/internet vernacular.  "Trickeration" would be an example. 

I didn't get your ferrish joke, but that's my fault; I need my sciences to be spongy. 

Another:  Calvary substituted for Cavalry, or vice versa.  Come to think of it, visah versa bugs me a bit too.  Grin

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Has the church ever used cannons to knock out the heretics?
Only other Christians, at Pascha.
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