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Original Sin
« on: February 02, 2011, 12:28:14 AM »
Hello,

This is my first posting on the Oriental Orthodox Discussion Forum.  I always assumed that the OO did not accept the concept of Original Sin, and held a position similar to that held by the EO.

I was reading a book by Fr. Tadros Y. Malaty, "Saint Mary In The Orthodox Concept" which states the following:

"The Orthodox Church, whose love towards St. Mary is deep-rooted, considers her more holy than all the heavenly creatures, whilst a natural member of the human race. We do not however, set her apart from the human race by assuming that she was born without original sin, as if she was born not of human seed."

Father Tadros is a priest of the Coptic Church.

Can anyone from an OO jurisdiction elaborate on this?  Thank you.

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Re: Original Sin
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 03:39:03 PM »
The standard story that we do not believe in "original sin", is quite a dangerous and misleading statement when it is not at all qualified. Both of our traditions do indeed believe in the Adamic curse and its inheritance by his descendants which constituted a breach of communion with God and a spiritual death. What we do not accept it simply a small modification of the doctrine by the West which adds on the concept of a moral or spiritual "stain" and an implication in Adam's sin, and thus a "hereditary guilt". Everything else regarding the doctrine we accept. Usually when Eastern sources refer to "original sin" in the affirmative they are simply referring to this Eastern doctrine of the Adamic curse.
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Re: Original Sin
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 04:52:44 PM »
Thank you deusveritasest for the reply and information.

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Re: Original Sin
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 02:00:03 AM »
Hello,

This is my first posting on the Oriental Orthodox Discussion Forum.  I always assumed that the OO did not accept the concept of Original Sin, and held a position similar to that held by the EO.

I was reading a book by Fr. Tadros Y. Malaty, "Saint Mary In The Orthodox Concept" which states the following:

"The Orthodox Church, whose love towards St. Mary is deep-rooted, considers her more holy than all the heavenly creatures, whilst a natural member of the human race. We do not however, set her apart from the human race by assuming that she was born without original sin, as if she was born not of human seed."

Father Tadros is a priest of the Coptic Church.

Can anyone from an OO jurisdiction elaborate on this?  Thank you.
Don't worry Father Tadros Yacoub Malaty doesn't believe in 'original sin' in the Augistianian sense. He makes this clear in his book Man and Redemption.
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Re: Original Sin
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 02:03:17 AM »
Thank you Severian!

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Re: Original Sin
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 02:11:15 AM »
"I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die [...] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -The Lord Jesus Christ

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Re: Original Sin
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 09:44:51 AM »
Hello,

This is my first posting on the Oriental Orthodox Discussion Forum.  I always assumed that the OO did not accept the concept of Original Sin, and held a position similar to that held by the EO.

I was reading a book by Fr. Tadros Y. Malaty, "Saint Mary In The Orthodox Concept" which states the following:

"The Orthodox Church, whose love towards St. Mary is deep-rooted, considers her more holy than all the heavenly creatures, whilst a natural member of the human race. We do not however, set her apart from the human race by assuming that she was born without original sin, as if she was born not of human seed."

Father Tadros is a priest of the Coptic Church.

Can anyone from an OO jurisdiction elaborate on this?  Thank you.
Don't worry Father Tadros Yacoub Malaty doesn't believe in 'original sin' in the Augistianian sense. He makes this clear in his book Man and Redemption.

Its ancestral sin instead??

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Re: Original Sin
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 12:50:58 AM »

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Its ancestral sin instead??
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