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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2012, 12:40:37 AM »
There might be another reason.  I wonder if at any time in your initial investigation of Orthodoxy you became physically ill or nearly so from natural causes…say the onset of a cold or flu?

I ask because there was a time I tried spaghetti squash, and liked it, but on that same evening I came down with a stomach flu and was upchucking for hours.  Afterwards I remembered that I had liked spaghetti squash and tried to fix it again, the sight smell of it on the plate nearly sent me heaving again.  And I've regretted it to this day…I know it's a trick my mind is playing on it self by associating spaghetti squash with violent illness, but that knowledge doesn't stop that initial physical discomfort. Thankfully it has weakened over the years…I could eat the squash without ill effect if I wanted to, but there's still enough of the "disgust reaction" there to keep me from ever really wanting to unless it's to prove a point.  Then I would prove it and continue not eating spaghetti squash.

I wonder if some natural illness or a strong enough psychological shock early on has set a kind of "yuck" trigger in you…one not as bad now as it once was, but still there.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2012, 12:55:58 PM »
honestly, I know what you mean.  I hope the Byzantines on here don't hate me after sharing this  :-\

well, my Church is Russian tradition.  when I go to Orthodox summer camp, they say Greek prayers and use Anthonite incense.  I get so sick, I had to go to the bathroom and throw up (I didn't recieve that day).  I don't know what it is, but my head starts to get dizzy when the greek chanting comes in, and I have to get some fresh air.  

or perhapse I'm going pentacostal and the holy spirit is making me convulse?
Trevor, are you standing with your knees locked when this happens?
useually, yes.  could that have some reason to do with me getting ill?

It cuts off blood circulation and when done for long periods of time can even cause someone to just pass out.

wow, that's good to know! thanks!

Lol. Yeah, move around a bit, Trevor. Makes a world of difference.  ;)

And, of course, I'd remind you that, they may be Greek tradition, and you may be Russian tradition, but both traditions follow variations of the Byzantine Rite, as developed at the Great Church in Constaninople!  ;D

Thank God we Antiochians have pews!  ;) :D

It is true that you Antiochians (and Greeks, too, for the most part) in the States have innovated yourselves out of the asceticism of standing, but I guess we'll still accept you.  ;)

And sorry in advance for actively distracting from the OP!

Sorry to further derail, but I attend a Greek parish and while there are pews, the congregation stands for just about the entire service. The congregation only sits for the homily and for a few minutes at a later section where petitions are offered.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2012, 12:05:52 PM »
Are you saying that the Catholic Church has branwashed it's faithful ,that parting from the vatican/pope, would create  traumatic withdrawal symptoms........wow ???

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No wonder. I agree with Wandering Sheep that you are suffering severe mental conflict.  Do you really want to become Orthodox or do you feel that you are being compelled to become Orthodox? "Bit the bullet" sounds like you are being forced, and that is never a good thing. Conversion to Orthodoxy should be a joyous occasion, not a nauseating one.

If you are having these kinds of physical symptoms, something is very wrong.

May I ask why you are considering Orthodoxy?


I've heard of Protestant converts to Catholicism having similar reactions. Some of them are programmed to hate Catholicism from such a young age that those first steps toward Catholicism can be traumatic. For a person such as the OP, who list their religious affiliation as SSPX, taking a step away from the pope could be equally traumatic. When you are taught your entire life to be Rome centered it can be difficult to break that attachment.

Stashko--Your post is inappropriate for Convert Issues. If you wish to pursue this further, please start a topic elsewhere. This is my advice as a poster as I am not the Section Moderator here.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2012, 12:10:11 PM »
Sercond Chance, why are you dredging up a post which is well over a year old, by Stashko, who has been muted in recent times?
Am I posting? Or is it Schroedinger's Cat?

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2012, 12:20:18 PM »
Sercond Chance, why are you dredging up a post which is well over a year old, by Stashko, who has been muted in recent times?

Sorry, I did not mean to; I just did not notice the date. I apologize to all.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2012, 05:45:03 PM »
A few years ago, after much study, I began attending a Greek Orthodox Church and spoke with the Priest about converting.  I went to one Catechumen class.  I then had horrible dreams and woke up sweating and very afraid.  I actually could hardly sleep.  This went on all week.  I had no feeling of peace.  This was in 2007.  It was so bad that I backed out.  Here it is 2012 and in January I converted.  Even this time around I felt fear and had a couple bad dreams.  I had been a Protestant until this time, in the Anglican Church.  Has anyone experienced this? 
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2012, 06:24:35 PM »
A burning in your chest is Satan trying to confuse you, a light burning in the pit of the stomach is God trying to warn you of the prescence of Satan-so I was taught by my Pentecostal relatives. I'm felt both sensations at different times in reaction to Orthodox soteriology and veneration of the saints, sometimes both in reaction to the same thing.

Does that mean anything? I have no idea.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #52 on: February 29, 2012, 06:29:53 PM »
A burning in your chest is Satan trying to confuse you, a light burning in the pit of the stomach is God trying to warn you of the prescence of Satan-so I was taught by my Pentecostal relatives. I'm felt both sensations at different times in reaction to Orthodox soteriology and veneration of the saints, sometimes both in reaction to the same thing.

Does that mean anything? I have no idea.

A burning in the breast means that one is about to become Mormon. So, you should start planning your move to Salt Lake City.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #53 on: February 29, 2012, 06:47:55 PM »
A burning in your chest is Satan trying to confuse you, a light burning in the pit of the stomach is God trying to warn you of the prescence of Satan-so I was taught by my Pentecostal relatives. I'm felt both sensations at different times in reaction to Orthodox soteriology and veneration of the saints, sometimes both in reaction to the same thing.

Does that mean anything? I have no idea.

A burning in the breast means that one is about to become Mormon. So, you should start planning your move to Salt Lake City.

:laugh: Thanks. I needed that.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #54 on: February 29, 2012, 07:38:28 PM »
Hmm, you are bound to feel a little stress and anxiety at the parish council meeting for sure lol, they're not always fun.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #55 on: February 29, 2012, 09:04:11 PM »
Strange. I felt a sense of relief like some heavy burden, both intellectual and spiritual, had been removed once I converted. Like, the true me could finally come out.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #56 on: February 29, 2012, 10:03:52 PM »
Strange. I felt a sense of relief like some heavy burden, both intellectual and spiritual, had been removed once I converted. Like, the true me could finally come out.

Have you been received into the church as a full member or are you still a catechumen?  Because if you haven't been received then you're not converted yet.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #57 on: March 01, 2012, 02:50:01 AM »
it's probably an anxiety reaction, especially if it led to you avoiding things to feel better. sometimes a lot of positive stress can translate to the body as negative stress. actually a lot of the replies here sound like that. it's not at all uncommon...people have bad dreams/stress/sickness before something positive like a wedding or a trip and converting is many more degrees intense than that.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #58 on: March 01, 2012, 03:50:09 PM »
hmm, a burning in yr chest could be acid reflux and discomfort low in the tummy is probably constipation.
so don't spend too much effort diagnosing yrself unless you're qualified to do that!
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but it's true emotional distress can give u belly ache, as can spiritual problems.
always best to talk to an older more spiritual person or / and yr doctor if u get funny feelings that persist.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #59 on: March 01, 2012, 04:08:33 PM »
Strange. I felt a sense of relief like some heavy burden, both intellectual and spiritual, had been removed once I converted. Like, the true me could finally come out.

The day I was baptized was a happy day.  I, too, felt like I could stop searching for the right church, as if there were more than one.  It was the time up until my conversion that I felt afraid and was bothered by dreams. 
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2012, 04:11:27 PM »
Strange. I felt a sense of relief like some heavy burden, both intellectual and spiritual, had been removed once I converted. Like, the true me could finally come out.

The day I was baptized was a happy day.  I, too, felt like I could stop searching for the right church, as if there were more than one.  It was the time up until my conversion that I felt afraid and was bothered by dreams. 

I hope that got better.  :)
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2012, 04:12:30 PM »
it's probably an anxiety reaction, especially if it led to you avoiding things to feel better. sometimes a lot of positive stress can translate to the body as negative stress. actually a lot of the replies here sound like that. it's not at all uncommon...people have bad dreams/stress/sickness before something positive like a wedding or a trip and converting is many more degrees intense than that.

Very true, it happens with moving, changing jobs, anything big like that.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2012, 06:27:51 AM »
Well at first in the church I had a tiny problem with the icons and what the people were doing during the divine liturgy (a hold over from protestantism to be sure) but as I've come to understand the orthodox practice and how good and true it is I have not been averse to many of hte things I might have been averse to in the past, Kissing the icon, Kissing the Gospel book, crossing oneself.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2012, 05:23:57 PM »
hi, nicene, and all the best for lazarus saturday. may God guide u and give u peace.
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« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2012, 10:14:31 PM »
Thank you :)
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #65 on: March 03, 2012, 02:03:14 AM »
I had alot of unusual reactions when I was masturbating when I started my inquiry/catcehumen process. I couldn't even do my normal routine, and one day I was so disgusted by it all that I stopped it altogether. I thank Christ and the Church for helping me overcome such a horrible addiction.

Other than that, I think there were some demons pulling me down from attending Church and finally I succumbed to them for months, then finally getting the strength to get back into Church.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2015, 06:38:08 AM »
Huh...

I'm feeling the same as the OP...
I know its an old thread but very interesting...

I dont believe SSPX is a cult. But SOME people there has SOME cultish tendencies... that's all.

I'm feeling very sick when I study about Orthodoxy... I feel nausea, pain in the stomach... I was told by a traditional priest that if I leave RC for OC I will go to hell... I asked what happens to OC people , do they all go to hell? He says no, is they were born in OC... they will not go to hell... because of invincible ignorance...but in my case I have no excuse so...

And I feel trapped in a vicious circle. I cannot tolerate RC actual status ... (inconsistences, bad hierarchy, etc)... but I also cannot tolerate traditional catholicism (doesnt make any sense to me at all, not the pre vatican church, but the actual trads ... i dont believe in their excuses for being a "remnant" , etc...)... so Im trying to get closer to OC but I feel panic of going to hell... for all eternity...

If I forget the spiritual thing and I go out with friends and talk about anything not related to Christianity, Church , etc... the pains DISSAPEAR... but if I start to think about Church I feel pain, depression, anxiety...
Its weird...!!!!!!!

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2015, 02:17:02 PM »
When I was young, I used to get physical symptoms of anxiety, bad stomach ache type of thing. It was nothing to do with anything spiritual, but as it happens they occurred before important chess matches. I used to play competitively, until I met the woman who is now my wife, and then somehow chess just didn't seem so attractive!

It's an easy temptation to spiritualise things like this as either from God (a warning to stop looking at Orthodoxy) or from the Enemy (an attack to discourage you), but in reality I'd be pretty confident that it is a natural reaction to the fear of going to hell. After all, that is a big thing! But in this I sincerely believe the priest is mistaken. Perhaps reading the testimonies of other Catholics who have converted to Orthodoxy, including some folk here, and seeing how they have drawn closer to Christ after their conversion, might help to put your mind at rest?

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2015, 07:37:37 PM »
When I was young, I used to get physical symptoms of anxiety, bad stomach ache type of thing. It was nothing to do with anything spiritual, but as it happens they occurred before important chess matches. I used to play competitively, until I met the woman who is now my wife, and then somehow chess just didn't seem so attractive!

It's an easy temptation to spiritualise things like this as either from God (a warning to stop looking at Orthodoxy) or from the Enemy (an attack to discourage you), but in reality I'd be pretty confident that it is a natural reaction to the fear of going to hell. After all, that is a big thing! But in this I sincerely believe the priest is mistaken. Perhaps reading the testimonies of other Catholics who have converted to Orthodoxy, including some folk here, and seeing how they have drawn closer to Christ after their conversion, might help to put your mind at rest?

huh

priest would say "oh, they seem happy because the devil has confused them and they have a false happyness so they will not come back to RC"....or something like that. Trad priests have an arsenal of answers for almost EVERYTHING...  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2015, 10:24:54 AM »
Just because they have answers to everything, doesn't mean they have correct answers to everything. In this case they are simply wrong.

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2015, 12:09:56 PM »
Huh...

I'm feeling the same as the OP...
I know its an old thread but very interesting...

I dont believe SSPX is a cult. But SOME people there has SOME cultish tendencies... that's all.

I'm feeling very sick when I study about Orthodoxy... I feel nausea, pain in the stomach... I was told by a traditional priest that if I leave RC for OC I will go to hell... I asked what happens to OC people , do they all go to hell? He says no, is they were born in OC... they will not go to hell... because of invincible ignorance...but in my case I have no excuse so...

And I feel trapped in a vicious circle. I cannot tolerate RC actual status ... (inconsistences, bad hierarchy, etc)... but I also cannot tolerate traditional catholicism (doesnt make any sense to me at all, not the pre vatican church, but the actual trads ... i dont believe in their excuses for being a "remnant" , etc...)... so Im trying to get closer to OC but I feel panic of going to hell... for all eternity...

If I forget the spiritual thing and I go out with friends and talk about anything not related to Christianity, Church , etc... the pains DISSAPEAR... but if I start to think about Church I feel pain, depression, anxiety...
Its weird...!!!!!!!

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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2015, 10:26:09 PM »
Huh...

I'm feeling the same as the OP...
I know its an old thread but very interesting...

I dont believe SSPX is a cult. But SOME people there has SOME cultish tendencies... that's all.

I'm feeling very sick when I study about Orthodoxy... I feel nausea, pain in the stomach... I was told by a traditional priest that if I leave RC for OC I will go to hell... I asked what happens to OC people , do they all go to hell? He says no, is they were born in OC... they will not go to hell... because of invincible ignorance...but in my case I have no excuse so...

And I feel trapped in a vicious circle. I cannot tolerate RC actual status ... (inconsistences, bad hierarchy, etc)... but I also cannot tolerate traditional catholicism (doesnt make any sense to me at all, not the pre vatican church, but the actual trads ... i dont believe in their excuses for being a "remnant" , etc...)... so Im trying to get closer to OC but I feel panic of going to hell... for all eternity...

If I forget the spiritual thing and I go out with friends and talk about anything not related to Christianity, Church , etc... the pains DISSAPEAR... but if I start to think about Church I feel pain, depression, anxiety...
Its weird...!!!!!!!

This thought haunted me a bit. I created a topic on it here, but I got it in the wrong board, so it was closed.

Anyway, just let it go. There is nothing to be feared for.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2015, 06:33:18 PM »
Thanks, Indocern and RaphaCam :)

This wednesday I'll go to Divine Liturgy and hope to talk to the priest after that....

I hope he can give me some ideas to overcome this terrible feelings...

Maybe it's demonic (only the priest can know that for sure). I've been reading about demonic attacks and maybe all the nausea, headaches, and weakness is related to this.


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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2015, 06:36:26 PM »
I have not converted yet, but I did have physical reactions to visiting two parishes (one OO and one EO). In the first case I wasn't even able to enter the building, in the second case I walked inside and looked around a bit, then used the bathroom. No one was within sight of the entryway (it was a very small chapel). Then my nerves got the better of me and I had to go home.

I haven't tried visiting another parish on my own since then. I think it really helps to have someone with you, helping you. Going it alone can be almost impossible.
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Re: Physical reactions to converting
« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2015, 09:34:11 PM »
I have not converted yet, but I did have physical reactions to visiting two parishes (one OO and one EO). In the first case I wasn't even able to enter the building, in the second case I walked inside and looked around a bit, then used the bathroom. No one was within sight of the entryway (it was a very small chapel). Then my nerves got the better of me and I had to go home.

I haven't tried visiting another parish on my own since then. I think it really helps to have someone with you, helping you. Going it alone can be almost impossible.

I believe the same.
The physical reactions could be very strong.
Maybe it's the devil that tries to lead us away from Church.