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Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« on: November 17, 2011, 09:26:27 AM »
The Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy will be held at 9:00am on November 19, 2011 at the Archangel Michael & St. Mena Coptic Orthodox Church, 4095 Amboy Rd, Staten Island, New York 10308.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 09:31:14 AM »
What rite will they use, as there is nothing that can claim to be the Oriental Orthodox rite?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 09:52:43 AM »
What rite will they use, as there is nothing that can claim to be the Oriental Orthodox rite?

There are several Oriental Orthodox rites. I have no idea about New York, but in Zürich, they have been somewhat combined in the case of OO concelebrations.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 10:08:54 AM »
What rite will they use, as there is nothing that can claim to be the Oriental Orthodox rite?

We use the rite of the host Church, so in this case Coptic.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 10:11:20 AM »
What rite will they use, as there is nothing that can claim to be the Oriental Orthodox rite?

There are several Oriental Orthodox rites. I have no idea about New York, but in Zürich, they have been somewhat combined in the case of OO concelebrations.

In the US we use the rite of the host Church, but do include hymns from the other rites especially during Communion.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 10:45:13 AM »
What rite will they use, as there is nothing that can claim to be the Oriental Orthodox rite?

There are several Oriental Orthodox rites. I have no idea about New York, but in Zürich, they have been somewhat combined in the case of OO concelebrations.

In the US we use the rite of the host Church, but do include hymns from the other rites especially during Communion.

Does it cause any confusion? Does the basic structure of various rites differ in any significant way?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 11:14:20 AM »
What rite will they use, as there is nothing that can claim to be the Oriental Orthodox rite?

There are several Oriental Orthodox rites. I have no idea about New York, but in Zürich, they have been somewhat combined in the case of OO concelebrations.

In the US we use the rite of the host Church, but do include hymns from the other rites especially during Communion.

Does it cause any confusion? Does the basic structure of various rites differ in any significant way?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 01:37:49 PM »
In the US we use the rite of the host Church, but do include hymns from the other rites especially during Communion.

Does it cause any confusion? Does the basic structure of various rites differ in any significant way?

I've only been to one, but it seemed to go rather smoothly. There's definitely a difference in the way each family of Priests or Bishops intone the words, but having everything in English definitely helps.


Does the basic structure of various rites differ in any significant way?

Different enough in the details, but the general structure of Divine Liturgy is the same i.e Liturgy of the Word, Liturgy of the Eucharist, etc... I'll defer to other more knowledgeable posters to answer more fully.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 02:24:21 PM »
What rite will they use, as there is nothing that can claim to be the Oriental Orthodox rite?
I think this year the Coptic rite will be used. Last year the concelebration was at St. Mark’s Syriac Orthodox Cathedral, Teaneck, New Jersey held on  June 12th, 2010 and the Ethiopian rite was used. Pics in the link below:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28320.0.html
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2011, 03:35:35 PM »
The Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy will be held at 9:00am on November 19, 2011 at the Archangel Michael & St. Mena Coptic Orthodox Church, 4095 Amboy Rd, Staten Island, New York 10308.

VIDEO:  http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18617918
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 12:58:05 PM »
The Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy will be held at 9:00am on November 19, 2011 at the Archangel Michael & St. Mena Coptic Orthodox Church, 4095 Amboy Rd, Staten Island, New York 10308.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 02:06:02 PM »
Abouna Andrew has some videos on his youtube page:

http://www.youtube.com/user/AbounaAndrew?feature=watch#p/u/6/Akxso0xUmnA
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 02:43:50 AM »
I realised I understand nothing about the Syriac, Indian and Armenian vestments.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 06:49:03 PM »
I realised I understand nothing about the Syriac, Indian and Armenian vestments.
You can read about the Syriac vestments at http://sor.cua.edu/Vestments/index.html. The vestments used by the Indian Orthodox Church is identical as the Indian Orthodox Church is also of the Syriac tradition of Oriental Orthodoxy.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Concelebration of the Divine Liturgy
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2011, 12:10:28 AM »
Beautiful pictures. Thanks.