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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #225 on: May 01, 2011, 05:46:50 PM »
I admit, I really struggle with the argument that we should dress in a way that doesn't stand out. I LIKE the 50s style skirts and I actually love Islamic clothing. I don't want to wear it to be a show-off, but apparently no matter how modest it is, I can't. Sigh. I was born in the wrong time, wrong place.

There's nothing wrong with dressing modestly as a woman. It was the whole idea of wearing a Western monastic style robe to an everyday Orthodox parish that was seen as absurd and bizarre. Most of the woman at my parish dress modestly with long skirts, long sleeves and headcoverings. The men generally show modestly by wearing long sleeves and not wearing hats.
I understand what you are saying, but I think that heavily veiling and wearing the big poofy skirts would look "costumey." I think it would attract undue attention, unfortunately.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #226 on: May 01, 2011, 05:58:43 PM »
I admit, I really struggle with the argument that we should dress in a way that doesn't stand out. I LIKE the 50s style skirts and I actually love Islamic clothing. I don't want to wear it to be a show-off, but apparently no matter how modest it is, I can't. Sigh. I was born in the wrong time, wrong place.

There's nothing wrong with dressing modestly as a woman. It was the whole idea of wearing a Western monastic style robe to an everyday Orthodox parish that was seen as absurd and bizarre. Most of the woman at my parish dress modestly with long skirts, long sleeves and headcoverings. The men generally show modestly by wearing long sleeves and not wearing hats.
I understand what you are saying, but I think that heavily veiling and wearing the big poofy skirts would look "costumey." I think it would attract undue attention, unfortunately.
I met a good friend at a monastery.  she didn't dress at all "costumey".  she just wore a blouse with long sleves, a long skirt, and a head covering. it doesn't have to be fancy  :)

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #227 on: May 01, 2011, 06:03:39 PM »
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #228 on: May 11, 2011, 01:50:31 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Interestingly, a brother-friend of my in the Rastafari tradition, a convert named Ermias, has been attending Liturgy at my local Ethiopian parish.  He attends wearing his ceremonial robe and tourban of the Rastafari Bobo Shanti tradition.  In the Bobo Shanti/Bobo Congress/Bobo Dread tradition, all men are both Kings and Priests.  Several other Bobo brothers and sisters have attended our services in the past, also wearing their robes. As such, they must wear the traditional robe and also crown their head with a tourban like the Patriarchs.  Brother Ermias attends Divine Liturgy in full robe and tourban with sash and prayer shawl, standing in prayer as he does at Rastafari services.  So it seems this is quite a more relevant question than I first suspected :)

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #229 on: May 11, 2011, 02:59:31 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Interestingly, a brother-friend of my in the Rastafari tradition, a convert named Ermias, has been attending Liturgy at my local Ethiopian parish.  He attends wearing his ceremonial robe and tourban of the Rastafari Bobo Shanti tradition.  In the Bobo Shanti/Bobo Congress/Bobo Dread tradition, all men are both Kings and Priests.  Several other Bobo brothers and sisters have attended our services in the past, also wearing their robes. As such, they must wear the traditional robe and also crown their head with a tourban like the Patriarchs.  Brother Ermias attends Divine Liturgy in full robe and tourban with sash and prayer shawl, standing in prayer as he does at Rastafari services.  So it seems this is quite a more relevant question than I first suspected :)

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Now I know why they have to use names like Rastafari Bobo Shanti and the like.  That clothing rises to a level of cool that exceeds the English language’s ability to adequately describe it.  If only we could dress like that in my Church!
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #230 on: May 11, 2011, 03:16:10 PM »
^ A heck of a lot more colorful than your usual Greek or Ukrainian costume! lol ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #231 on: May 18, 2011, 02:38:27 PM »
Ehhh, why wear something drab and brown when you could go all flashy!

Dressing as Star Wars Emperor Palpatine's Royal Guard would turn more heads at church.

Did I take a bad detour and suddenly arrive in San Francisco at Halloween?

Seriously, the question of WHY a person would think it's OK to wear a fake Franciscan robe to Divine Liturgy makes me wonder if this isn't either a massive leg-pull, or a person who badly needs to sit down with his priest.

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #232 on: May 18, 2011, 03:31:47 PM »
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...or a person who badly needs to sit down with his priest.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #233 on: May 18, 2011, 03:57:17 PM »
Ehhh, why wear something drab and brown when you could go all flashy!

Dressing as Star Wars Emperor Palpatine's Royal Guard would turn more heads at church.

Did I take a bad detour and suddenly arrive in San Francisco at Halloween?

Seriously, the question of WHY a person would think it's OK to wear a fake Franciscan robe to Divine Liturgy makes me wonder if this isn't either a massive leg-pull, or a person who badly needs to sit down with his priest.

About a year ago we were visited by a handsome young man who wore a 1920's style sear-sucker suit and a straw hat. His Dad is a local Protestant Minister who suggest he visit us when the lad asked about Orthodoxy. He said he didn't know what to wear.

We also have a regular visitor who is Ethiopian who wears her traditional white sari which to the uninitiated would look out of place or odd.

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #234 on: June 21, 2011, 10:29:31 PM »
I've seen too many who can't afford much in the way of fancy clothes that feel extremely uncomfortable in services where everyone is dressed to the nines.

I really feel like love for the least of these should motivate how we dress. Forgive me if I'm being judgmental.

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #235 on: June 22, 2011, 08:52:29 AM »
Yeah, but there's a world of difference between someone who hasn't much choice in what he wears to church, and someone who wants to wear something out of misguided piety, at worst, ostentatious humility, and look outlandish in the process.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #236 on: June 22, 2011, 09:23:34 AM »
I agree, not that I necessarily think Aposphet is doing this.

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #237 on: June 22, 2011, 10:54:36 AM »
If he can wear a robe can i wear this? ...

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #238 on: June 22, 2011, 10:58:03 AM »
Haha this thread still going?
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #239 on: June 22, 2011, 11:13:37 AM »
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #240 on: June 25, 2011, 06:54:08 PM »
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He asked for our opinion. Are we to deny him that? Would you rather we lied to him by telling him it's all right for him to do what he proposed? Would you rather we be just as dishonest by concealing what we really think about his question?

The thing NOT solicited here is your opinion of those who have offered their opinions as the OP requested. The thing NOT solicited here is your judgment of those who have been honest as though we are persecuting the poor fellow for simply wanting to be more spiritual.

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And neither are you to tell him that he should wear a robe to church and not give a damn what anyone else thinks of him.

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And why don't you follow your own advice and stop trying to judge the intentions of those who have offered the opinions the OP asked for?

First of all, it is not very easy to tell someone not to judge without doing it some way to tell them that.  Second, I would not expect anyone to swear in this forum, and it was quite surprising when I saw you were a moderator, as they should set an example.

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Are you not now judging the intentions and motives of the hearts of those who have opined on this subject, which is exactly the behavior you have condemned in us? Is it somehow commendable when you do it but condemnable when we do? That finger you're pointing at us... do you not see the three pointing back at you?

Again, judging is not always bad, as they can have a point. For example, if someone had a persistent sinful habit, would it not be ok to tell him that he should not do that sin? It would be judging him, but it would be to his benefit. I saw that the person you are talking to told the OP that he should talk to his priest, which I see no problem with, and he also said if there is no problem with tradition or canon he does not see a problem. I don't see a problem either, if there is no problem in the faith. I personally don't see why he cant wear a humble robe, but I would think he should not wear the hood in church, as it is not its purpose. I would think the reason he wants to wear the robes is because that is how they used to do dress, mostly. It is just a tradition, that is all. It would help though if he would tell if that is what exactly he would wear. But I agree in the earlier poster that he should ask his spiritual father. It should end there, I think.

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #241 on: October 18, 2012, 02:07:14 AM »
We need an update from Achronos!

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #242 on: October 18, 2012, 09:59:09 AM »

I think Achronos has matured much this past year....and may have a different view point on the OP.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #243 on: October 18, 2012, 01:17:57 PM »
We need an update from Achronos!
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #244 on: October 18, 2012, 01:23:20 PM »

I think Achronos has matured much this past year....and may have a different view point on the OP.

He even has a normal avatar  :o
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #245 on: October 18, 2012, 01:28:58 PM »
We need an update from Achronos!
I wore my morning robe to Mass this morning. Does that work?
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« Reply #246 on: October 18, 2012, 01:30:40 PM »
We need an update from Achronos!
I wore my morning robe to Mass this morning. Does that work?

Did you have anything on underneath? Are you taking fashion tips from Akimori?

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #247 on: October 18, 2012, 01:34:48 PM »
I wore my morning robe to Mass this morning.
Achronos, you must stop your dawn liaisons with these severely-overweight girls. You'll injure yourself, plus, fornication is a sin.

Did you have anything on underneath? Are you taking fashion tips from Akimori?

Akimori just wants Senpai to notice him.

Don't we all?
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« Reply #248 on: October 18, 2012, 01:36:43 PM »
Sadly I can't pull it off like akimori can.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #250 on: October 18, 2012, 01:44:21 PM »
We need an update from Achronos!
I wore my morning robe to Mass this morning. Does that work?

Why were you going to "Mass"?
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« Reply #251 on: October 18, 2012, 01:46:06 PM »
We need an update from Achronos!
I wore my morning robe to Mass this morning. Does that work?

Why were you going to "Mass"?


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« Reply #252 on: October 18, 2012, 02:00:15 PM »
We need an update from Achronos!
I wore my morning robe to Mass this morning. Does that work?

Why were you going to "Mass"?


Those western riters are always trying to westernize their western worship ways!

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #253 on: October 18, 2012, 02:36:10 PM »
Baptismal robe upgrade:

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Baptismal robe upgrade:

http://www.museumreplicas.com/g-3-assassins-creed.aspx
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #258 on: January 06, 2013, 04:31:37 AM »
I'm still waiting for someone to say they're going to wear a hair-shirt.. like St. Mary of Egypt, or one of the other saints. 

Honestly, does it even matter what we wear to Divine Liturgy?  What if I wanted to wear every day clothes.. like jeans, tennis shoes, and a T-SHIRT?  The Evangelicals are so fond of saying "Come as you are.." as Protestant churches everywhere are no longer requiring shirt and tie.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #259 on: January 06, 2013, 04:53:28 AM »
And you are not a member of a Protestant church, so...good point, Andrew. ;)

Certainly I would have trouble with the idea that one must dress in a suit and tie to go to church, but it seems to me to be very sensible to say that as you are going to meet the King of Kings and receive Him, you should dress as respectfully as you can. The church is not just another building, but truly hollowed ground. We should treat it like that, in our dress and in every other way.

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« Reply #260 on: January 06, 2013, 05:31:49 PM »
I'd agree with Dzheremi. When I see people dressed more casually than I like, I try to remember that I don't know their circumstances and they might have good reasons, and moreover that it's not my place to judge. I don't always succeed, mind...but I try.

That being said, I certainly think it's appropriate to dress as well as you reasonably can for church.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #261 on: January 06, 2013, 10:36:35 PM »
I'm still waiting for someone to say they're going to wear a hair-shirt.. like St. Mary of Egypt, or one of the other saints. 

Honestly, does it even matter what we wear to Divine Liturgy?  What if I wanted to wear every day clothes.. like jeans, tennis shoes, and a T-SHIRT?  The Evangelicals are so fond of saying "Come as you are.." as Protestant churches everywhere are no longer requiring shirt and tie.

I wear black jeans and a button down collared shirt. My jeans are for more expensive and in higher quality than my "dress" pants. :angel:

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #262 on: January 07, 2013, 01:49:30 AM »
If we are going to show due respect to God, would we not dress as he created us?  But seriously, I think the whole shirt and tie thing is stupid.  What are you trying to prove?  Why would one wear a tie?  Is it some phallus symbol that needs to be hung around the neck much like the gourd over the penis of some Southern Pacific tribes?  Or, like I told some managers once, does it serve the same purpose as a tampon string; something to help pull your head out of your lower posterior when it gets stuck up there?  I think that probably one of the greatest advances of modern man is making the decision to stop wearing that stupid cord around the neck when it serves absolutely no purpose.  As to religious clothing, it would be nice if it was the common fashion to wear an alb or other robe to Church.  It would certainly be less distracting if everyone was dressed the same humble way.  But that ain't gunna happen anytime soon . . .
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« Reply #263 on: January 07, 2013, 03:45:05 AM »
I don't wear a tie very often, but...lol wut? o.O
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #264 on: January 07, 2013, 12:47:36 PM »
Amen Punch.

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #265 on: January 08, 2013, 03:35:04 AM »
So I've been on hiatus for a while...how is this thread still active?   :D

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #266 on: January 08, 2013, 03:51:11 AM »
I guess talking about wearing robes to liturgy never goes out of style!

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #267 on: January 08, 2013, 04:47:16 AM »
I like ties.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #268 on: January 08, 2013, 01:10:57 PM »
I like that this thread stays alive.

It is a testimony about the places someone's "journey" can take them.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #269 on: January 08, 2013, 01:17:00 PM »