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Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« on: January 11, 2011, 11:26:44 PM »
Please don't ask why ;)

Something along the lines of this:
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2011, 11:32:26 PM »
Quote from: Achronos on January 11, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
Please don't ask why ;)

Something along the lines of this:
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Lol, please do, and could you take pictures of the looks on the faces of the parishioners?  ;) :D  Seriously though, I dunno, I can't see anything wrong with it, though you might get some dirty looks. Maybe giving a heads up to the priest and/or deacon first would be good?
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 11:37:10 PM »
Yes, but the canons stipulate: "If a layman enter a temple of God in a dorky Western monk's robe, let him smack himself repeatedly in the face with a wooden board whilst repeating pie jesu domine, dona eis requiem." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0&feature=fvst
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 11:41:18 PM »
Quote from: Iconodule on January 11, 2011, 11:37:10 PM
Yes, but the canons stipulate: "If a layman enter a temple of God in a dorky Western monk's robe, let him smack himself repeatedly in the face with a wooden board whilst repeating pie jesu domine, dona eis requiem." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0&feature=fvst

Funny, I don't remember reading that in the canons.  I thought it came later in the Book of Armaments...
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 11:42:35 PM »
Quote from: Iconodule on January 11, 2011, 11:37:10 PM
Yes, but the canons stipulate: "If a layman enter a temple of God in a dorky Western monk's robe, let him smack himself repeatedly in the face with a wooden board whilst repeating pie jesu domine, dona eis requiem." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0&feature=fvst

LOL!! Will do Asteriktos!
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 11:52:39 PM »
Well, you certainly can't be arrested for indecent exposure. . .

I'll pass you some calamine lotion after you take it off - the burlap will certainly itch!

Seriously, though - my main concern would be whether it would be disruptive for someone else . . .or a stumbling block to them in some way.  It certainly would bend a few necks.  So, looking at your motives - which I have no idea what they are - but it's totally not necessary for me to know - are your motives selfless?  Are they loving?  Are they humble?  Is this necessary?  Are you doing it for the pure sake of Christ?  Are your motives honest? 

Though you might be mistaken for Francis of Assisi and then the Priest will have to get someone to shovel up all the manure from the animals you seem to collect. THAT might not make him very happy. 
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 11:54:15 PM »
Btw, this thread reminded me of this video  :D
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 11:56:47 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Quote from: Iconodule on January 11, 2011, 11:37:10 PM
Yes, but the canons stipulate: "If a layman enter a temple of God in a dorky Western monk's robe, let him smack himself repeatedly in the face with a wooden board whilst repeating pie jesu domine, dona eis requiem." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0&feature=fvst

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 11:57:45 PM »
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2011, 01:19:16 AM »
Quote from: Achronos on January 11, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
Please don't ask why ;)

Something along the lines of this:

[b]Obi Wan Kenobi?[/b] :P
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2011, 01:52:41 AM »
Quote from: Gamliel on January 12, 2011, 01:19:16 AM
[b]Obi Wan Kenobi?[/b] :P

Or possibly Oobedoob Scoobi-Doobi Benubi...

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2011, 02:01:36 AM »
Quote from: quietmorning on January 11, 2011, 11:52:39 PM
Seriously, though - my main concern would be whether it would be disruptive for someone else . . .or a stumbling block to them in some way.  It certainly would bend a few necks.  So, looking at your motives - which I have no idea what they are - but it's totally not necessary for me to know - are your motives selfless?  Are they loving?  Are they humble?  Is this necessary?  Are you doing it for the pure sake of Christ?  Are your motives honest? 

Great advice.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2011, 02:03:13 AM »
Forgive me for prying, but, in my 4+ years of attending many different parishes, in many different states/cities, I have never run into a situation where I had to wear such attire. Like I said, forgive me for prying, but what is your reason for wanting/needing to wear such robes to a Divine Liturgy?
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2011, 02:08:03 AM »
Quote from: PoorFoolNicholas on January 12, 2011, 02:03:13 AM
Forgive me for prying, but, in my 4+ years of attending many different parishes, in many different states/cities, I have never run into a situation where I had to wear such attire. Like I said, forgive me for prying, but what is your reason for wanting/needing to wear such robes to a Divine Liturgy?

Maybe he's going to a Star Wars convention right after liturgy, and if his date--who is an uber-geeky star wars chick--sees him in clothes more typical of Church she'll think he's a spirituality-geek, dump him, and his whole life will be ruined forever and ever.

http://theageofvolcanoes.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/star_wars_babe-thumb.jpg

I know I'd wear a robe to divine liturgy for her if that was necessary.  :P



CAUTION: Some may find the above photo of a Carrie Fisher/Princess Leia imitation, which I have masked by turning it into a link, offensive. Viewer discretion is therefore advised.  -PtA
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2011, 02:10:13 AM »
It is against the law. "Thou shalt now wear the robe of a Jedi without express approval of the council." 2 Corellians 2:15
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2011, 02:18:45 AM »
I usually go like this:    It gives our priest an interesting challenge when distributing the Eucharist.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2011, 02:25:17 PM »
IMO it would be OK without the hood on.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2011, 04:42:31 PM »
Here in the States, a similar hooded robe, only in white, would be quite wrong!  ::)
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2011, 05:02:46 PM »
Quote from: Achronos on January 11, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
Please don't ask why ;)

Are you a Roman Catholic mendicant/friar? If not, then no, you may not wear such a robe!

It is extremely inappropriate to falsely wear the garb of religious office you do not hold, especially in a liturgical context. Stranger still to pretend to hold a heterodox office!
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2011, 05:06:23 PM »
Quote from: pensateomnia on January 12, 2011, 05:02:46 PM
Quote from: Achronos on January 11, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
Please don't ask why ;)

Are you a Roman Catholic mendicant/friar? If not, then no, you may not wear such a robe!

It is extremely inappropriate to falsely wear the garb of religious office you do not hold, especially in a liturgical context. Stranger still to pretend to hold a heterodox office!

Well now, if he cut a hole around the buttocks area, he could say that he held the office of Flatulant.  Then he could wear the robe.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2011, 05:13:56 PM »
Quote from: pensateomnia on January 12, 2011, 05:02:46 PM
Quote from: Achronos on January 11, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
Please don't ask why ;)

Are you a Roman Catholic mendicant/friar? If not, then no, you may not wear such a robe!

It is extremely inappropriate to falsely wear the garb of religious office you do not hold, especially in a liturgical context. Stranger still to pretend to hold a heterodox office!

This is one of the people I warned you about who would give you dirty looks  ;)
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2011, 05:32:24 PM »
Quote from: Asteriktos on January 12, 2011, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: pensateomnia on January 12, 2011, 05:02:46 PM
Quote from: Achronos on January 11, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
Please don't ask why ;)

Are you a Roman Catholic mendicant/friar? If not, then no, you may not wear such a robe!

It is extremely inappropriate to falsely wear the garb of religious office you do not hold, especially in a liturgical context. Stranger still to pretend to hold a heterodox office!

This is one of the people I warned you about who would give you dirty looks  ;)

Yet, I do agree with his objection, although I may have phrased it a bit more gently. Seriously, though I think the OP may be driving at a deeper question--how to efface oneself and not stand out. Of course, if he were to use such a robe, he would certainly stand out. If that is indeed his query, my answer would be to cloth himself in the manner of most folks in his parish.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 12:48:00 AM »
When I first started attending an Orthodox Church, I asked the priest what the dress code was.  Probably best to ask your priest.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2011, 01:13:05 AM »
If as a layperson you wear a robe like that people will think you're a total weirdo, and rightly so. I'd think you were one too.

Never mind the fact that the priest might actually think you are mocking his robes by wearing this kind of costume. Keep in mind that Orthodoxy is not a neat roleplaying game where you get to "play" at medieval monastic life. It is a living ancient tradition, and most if not all people would see this as disrespecting that fact.

Try to blend in. The whole point of going to church is to pray, not to create a circus where everyone around you is staring at you the whole time.

Do you already wear one of these?
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2011, 01:14:35 AM »
Maybe he's a Fool for Christ...  ;)
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2011, 01:20:10 AM »
Quote from: Asteriktos on January 13, 2011, 01:14:35 AM
Maybe he's a Fool for Christ...  ;)

One of my books on a Fool for Christ, "Seraphim's Seraphim", talks about how she would drown cats in her free time. Sometimes people are really just crazy!
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2011, 01:33:37 AM »
Quote from: Alveus Lacuna on January 13, 2011, 01:20:10 AM
Quote from: Asteriktos on January 13, 2011, 01:14:35 AM
Maybe he's a Fool for Christ...  ;)

One of my books on a Fool for Christ, "Seraphim's Seraphim", talks about how she would drown cats in her free time. Sometimes people are really just crazy!

Well, I would agree with that. I don't know, I just wouldn't find it offensive if he did it. I'd actually laugh and find it quite funny, and I would be much more likely to strike up a conversation with him afterwards, thinking he must have an interesting sense of humor. I would think that wearing shorts and sandals to Church was worse (but still not really that bad) than wearing a robe... I know I'm a bit strange though  8)

EDIT--Also, for the record, I generally support the idea of "blending in," and "When in Rome, doing what the Romans do," as far as what dress is appropriate... I just think it'd be an overreaction to get offended...
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2011, 01:37:49 AM »
What if I wore a robe like this?


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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2011, 01:39:03 AM »
Quote from: Alveus Lacuna on January 13, 2011, 01:37:49 AM
What if I wore a robe like this?



Black with purple? Are you mad? ;)
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2011, 01:52:07 AM »
Quote from: Alveus Lacuna on January 13, 2011, 01:37:49 AM
What if I wore a robe like this?




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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2011, 02:29:30 AM »
Study and  become a Orthodox Cantor or join the Church choir, they may put you in a Orthodox Robe ,,this way you'll  fit in... ;D
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2011, 03:27:48 AM »
Ok, next sunday, I'm seriously hauling out the snuggie. It's cold in our cathedral!

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2011, 04:08:53 AM »
Quote from: Asteriktos on January 13, 2011, 01:14:35 AM
Maybe he's a Fool for Christ...  ;)
Kinda like a story I heard once about St. John Maximovitch. His superior once ordered him to wear shoes, since he had a reputation for doing almost everything, including celebrating Liturgy, barefoot. St. John wore his shoes, all right... hanging by their laces around his neck. "You told me to wear shoes. You just didn't tell me where to wear them." :laugh:
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2011, 09:21:39 AM »
Quote from: Alveus Lacuna on January 13, 2011, 01:20:10 AM
Quote from: Asteriktos on January 13, 2011, 01:14:35 AM
Maybe he's a Fool for Christ...  ;)

One of my books on a Fool for Christ, "Seraphim's Seraphim", talks about how she would drown cats in her free time. Sometimes people are really just crazy!

Woah. I'm assuming she did this before she entered monasticism?
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2011, 11:26:50 AM »
Achronos, I would have no problem with you wearing yours, as long as I can wear mine.

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2011, 12:32:59 PM »

I've got!

I was thinking that maybe Achronos was trying to hide an imperfection of some kind - peg leg, etc.

However, I am now thinking that he wishes to attend services incognito.  A chance to go and pray, an not be recognized while doing it. 
For example, if a celebrity or politician wished to go to church, and not necessarily be associated with that church in public.

You know...some politicians wish to remain "neutral", and their religious affiliation may be held against them.

So, in that case...what's a person to do?

Maybe attend services in the middle of the week when fewer people are in attendance?
Maybe just swallow the pill and be proud of your faith, come what may.

I would pick the second.

I am Orthodox, and while it's not the most "popular" thing to be, and sometimes even makes our work/school/social life difficult, I don't care.  It's the most important thing in my life.


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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2011, 12:38:05 PM »
One thing that cracked me up in The Fellowship of the Ring was when they said the Nazgul were "disguised" as black riders.



Yeah, nice disguise.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2011, 12:48:40 PM »
Quote from: Iconodule on January 13, 2011, 12:38:05 PM
One thing that cracked me up in The Fellowship of the Ring was when they said the Nazgul were "disguised" as black riders.



Yeah, nice disguise.

I think we can be  pretty sure they weren't going to church 'incognito'!  :)
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2011, 01:02:58 PM »
As long as you pick out a hat to wear with your robe from here: http://www.dieter-philippi.de/en/the-philippi-collection/head-coverings-1
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2011, 01:10:16 PM »
I forgot to add, it is better to wear a cape or robe you have made yourself: http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/Things/FCloak/FCloak_pattern.htm

However, I would counsel against bringing cardboard swords or coat-hanger bows to church.  They might be a distraction.  Plus, they will severely impede your dating prospects (provided that you can find a potential mate who likes the idea of a spouse who wears a cowl to church).

I considered making a cloak, but then reconsidered it because I live in a city and drive everywhere I go.  Cloaks and cars do not go well together.
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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2011, 01:25:39 PM »
Obi Wan vs. Darth Vader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCyZ2P9bCA



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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2011, 02:53:11 PM »
I didn't think there was any nudity in the new Star Wars.  Thanks for being vigilant.

Of course, while I think all of us found the original Princess Leah quite stunning in the original series, she has changed a bit: http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/12/carrie-fisher-signs-on-as-new-face-of-jenny-craig-after-75lb-weight-gain/

Quote from: Marc1152 on January 13, 2011, 01:25:39 PM
Obi Wan vs. Darth Vader:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCyZ2P9bCA



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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2011, 03:22:03 PM »
Quote from: Iconodule on January 13, 2011, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: Alveus Lacuna on January 13, 2011, 01:20:10 AM
Quote from: Asteriktos on January 13, 2011, 01:14:35 AM
Maybe he's a Fool for Christ...  ;)

One of my books on a Fool for Christ, "Seraphim's Seraphim", talks about how she would drown cats in her free time. Sometimes people are really just crazy!

Woah. I'm assuming she did this before she entered monasticism?

This is Pelagia and I can't remember if she became an actual nun or not but I do remember being terribly distressed by the story - apparently she once drowned a litter of kittens. Just once as I recall, drowning cats wasn't a hobby, but still I can't say she's on my favourites list.

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Re: Can I wear a robe to the Divine Liturgy?
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2011, 03:52:16 PM »
Quote from: Margaret S. on January 13, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
Quote from: Iconodule on January 13, 2011, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: Alveus Lacuna on January 13, 2011, 01:20:10 AM
Quote from: Asteriktos on January 13, 2011, 01:14:35 AM
Maybe he's a Fool for Christ...  ;)

One of my books on a Fool for Christ, "Seraphim's Seraphim", talks about how she would drown cats in her free time. Sometimes people are really just crazy!

Woah. I'm assuming she did this before she entered monasticism?
This is Pelagia and I can't remember if she became an actual nun or not but I do remember being terribly distressed by the story - apparently she once drowned a litter of kittens. Just once as I recall, drowning cats wasn't a hobby, but still I can't say she's on my favourites list.

Regards,
Margaret


Maybe she exorcised a bunch of demons into them.

I like pigs way more than cats. Nobler and taste better.
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