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« on: January 03, 2011, 11:50:06 AM »

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"Many Americans are busy sweeping up tinsel, but Ukrainian, Russian and other Orthodox churches are preparing for Christmas this week. And at the Christmas Eve feast, most of the faithful will eat pierogies. These dumplings are traditionally prepared at home, but recently they've become something of a parish industry."
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 12:26:36 PM »


That's a bit insulting and misleading.

The article is about pierogies/varenyki...and has nothing to do with Christmas, or even Orthodoxy.

The title has nothing to do with the article.
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 01:13:56 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 01:28:21 PM »


It's a potato dumpling.

Varenik in Ukrainian.

Pierogi in Polish.

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 01:36:12 PM »


It's a potato dumpling.

Varenik in Ukrainian.

Pierogi in Polish.



Also known as pirohi, pirogy or pirohy in various diaclects and places.
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2011, 01:37:01 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2011, 01:37:13 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi

Many Polish newsreports about the Orthodoxy are written in a similar way.
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What's a pierogy? Huh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi

Many Polish newsreports about the Orthodoxy are written in a similar way.
Because if they wrote the truth, that in Poland the Orthodox cannot accept the fact that they live in a Polish state, that many of their adherents who are full of ressentiment, dream of irredenta... The truth hurts!
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2011, 01:56:20 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy

Dudette would appear to be the proper usage and, given that the Dudette is in Dixie, it's probably most correct to frame the question as "Dudette, what kind of OCA parish do y'all attend, M'am?"
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2011, 01:57:43 PM »

Because if they wrote the truth, that in Poland the Orthodox cannot accept the fact that they live in a Polish state, that many of their adherents who are full of ressentiment, dream of irredenta... The truth hurts!

No, it's because they are written be ignorants whose knowledge about all but their own noses is taken from Wikipedia edited by their teen children. I don't want all to be experts in comparative theology but journalists from PAP or KAI can do at least a tiny research before they start to write about the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2011, 02:30:12 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy

A Southern one, yankee boy. We eat fried chicken, ham and barbecue after the Liturgy on Christmas.
And we eat pork, collards and blackeyed peas on New Year's Day, and proud of it.

(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2011, 02:32:28 PM »

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Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy

Dudette would appear to be the proper usage and, given that the Dudette is in Dixie, it's probably most correct to frame the question as "Dudette, what kind of OCA parish do y'all attend, M'am?"

And except for the teensy-weensy grammatical point that "y'all" is plural, of course, I'm thrilled to see that there's at least one educated gentleman amongst all y'all here.
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2011, 03:07:14 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy

A Southern one, yankee boy. We eat fried chicken, ham and barbecue after the Liturgy on Christmas.
And we eat pork, collards and blackeyed peas on New Year's Day, and proud of it.

(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)

You forgot "Bless your heart!" Smiley

Btw, pierogies can be fried in butter and garnished with bacon and sour cream, if that changes your mind.
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 03:11:32 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy
(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)
Can't be much worse than chitlins.
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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 03:39:19 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Its the thing in many churches that you learn how to make before you learn about "other forms of stewardship" (rimshot)

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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2011, 03:43:28 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh
Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy
(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)
Can't be much worse than chitlins.
There you go, chitlin stuffed pirohy  Tongue 
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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2011, 03:52:55 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Its the thing in many churches that you learn how to make before you learn about "other forms of stewardship" (rimshot)



It keeps us going up here in the rust belt! The community can never get enough of them. We make them at our parish, the Ukrainian Greek Catholics make them and the OCA parish makes them and we still can't produce enough! And...they are not just potato. There are cabbage and/or kapusta(sauerkraut), lekvar (prune), in non-fast times farmer cheese and other great local variants.  However, much as I like them I really don't associate them with Christmas because they are better when slathered with diced onions slow cooked in clarified butter. Fast prepared pirohi are a part of the Holy Supper in our tradition, but hardly the whole thing.
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What's a pierogy? Huh

Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy

A Southern one, yankee boy. We eat fried chicken, ham and barbecue after the Liturgy on Christmas.
And we eat pork, collards and blackeyed peas on New Year's Day, and proud of it.

(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)

You forgot "Bless your heart!" Smiley

Thank you so much for reminding me - where are my manners? Why y'all will be thinking I'm from Chicago or Buffalo or somewhere like that, perish the thought!

(p.s. a friend of mine insists that you can say anything derogatory or mean about someone, as long as you preface it with "Bless his heart..." as in, "Bless his heart, he can't help that he's a low-rent, shiftless, conniving jerk.")

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Frying, butter and sour cream will change my mind about just about anything. Except calamari. (I can't get 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea out of my head.)
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2011, 04:13:20 PM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy

A Southern one, yankee boy. We eat fried chicken, ham and barbecue after the Liturgy on Christmas.
And we eat pork, collards and blackeyed peas on New Year's Day, and proud of it.

(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)

You forgot "Bless your heart!" Smiley

Thank you so much for reminding me - where are my manners? Why y'all will be thinking I'm from Chicago or Buffalo or somewhere like that, perish the thought!

(p.s. a friend of mine insists that you can say anything derogatory or mean about someone, as long as you preface it with "Bless his heart..." as in, "Bless his heart, he can't help that he's a low-rent, shiftless, conniving jerk.")

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Frying, butter and sour cream will change my mind about just about anything. Except calamari. (I can't get 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea out of my head.)

"Bless his heart" does work a whole lot better than 'I don't mean to offend anyone, but...."  lol
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2011, 04:21:28 PM »

The wonderful thing about the phrase "Bless your/his/her heart" is its possible double meanings. It's also the maddening thing for a frozen Northerner like me. But I know my Alabamian friends love me. They were so thoughtful to ask me to go snipe hunting, but I just couldn't make time.

That said, perhaps the poor journalist had very limited experience of the context of pierogi, maybe just talking to a couple Slavic Orthodox whose village/grandmother only made pierogi at Christmas time. This drastic exception was then touted as the rule. Happens a lot in journalism.
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What's a pierogy? Huh
Its the thing in many churches that you learn how to make before you learn about "other forms of stewardship" (rimshot)
It keeps us going up here in the rust belt! The community can never get enough of them. We make them at our parish, the Ukrainian Greek Catholics make them and the OCA parish makes them and we still can't produce enough! And...they are not just potato. There are cabbage and/or kapusta(sauerkraut), lekvar (prune), in non-fast times farmer cheese and other great local variants.  However, much as I like them I really don't associate them with Christmas because they are better when slathered with diced onions slow cooked in clarified butter. Fast prepared pirohi are a part of the Holy Supper in our tradition, but hardly the whole thing.
Yes, our parish has kapusta and lekvar as well.  Not as popular down south as they are up north (are not money-makers except for holidays).  I'm trying to figure out how to make them more popular down here.  Am still not prepared to do chitlin-stuffed or collared-stuffed though.  Perhaps a re-name.  "Yankee-dumplin's" won't work too well (maybe "pre-confederate dumplin" might work).  To suggest doing them other than for holidays, you get the response:  "they're too hard to make, let's just buy Mrs. T's."   Sad

You're making me hungry.   Gotta go check the freezer...
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2011, 03:18:01 AM »

We Melkites don't make pirohi, the saddness of it all  Embarrassed  We do, however, make fataya, which comes close, although the fillings are less diverse. Spinach fataya are quite popular and I rather suspect that collard greens could be substituted as easily as not for the spinach.

Not sure just where in Dear Old Dixie our sister Katherine is, but I'd be almighty pleased to point her cotton-pickin' heart toward the nearest Melkite, Antiochian, or Maronite temple where she might savor the opportunity of spinach fataya at a food fair and contemplate its culinary adaptability to good ole, homestyle, Southern cookin', just like Granny used to make in the back cookhouse.

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(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)

Yet you'll probably eat grits. Pffh. You disgust me. *turns his northern nose up at you*  Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2011, 04:09:34 AM »

Yet you'll probably eat grits.

The thing that I just realized about 'grits' is that it's sort of a variant on the concept of onomatopoeia. For those who have forgotten what they learned about figures of speech back in the day - a word is onomatopoetic if it aurally mirrors the sound that it describes - examples 'oink' or 'tick-tock'.

'Grit' well describes the texture of the food it describes - sort of 'gritty' (what am I saying, 'sort of'? - nah, it precisely describes the texture). On reflection, that makes 'grits' an ideophone - a word that describes or represents a quality of the thing it describes (an onomatopoetic word is a type of ideophone).

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But I know my Alabamian friends love me. They were so thoughtful to ask me to go snipe hunting, but I just couldn't make time.

Oh, how could you!!! I think it's absolutely reprehensible to hunt down poor little defenseless snipe as they roost so peacefully in the grits bushes.

Bless your heart!

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Yet you'll probably eat grits.

The thing that I just realized about 'grits' is that it's sort of a variant on the concept of onomatopoeia. For those who have forgotten what they learned about figures of speech back in the day - a word is onomatopoetic if it aurally mirrors the sound that it describes - examples 'oink' or 'tick-tock'.

'Grit' well describes the texture of the food it describes - sort of 'gritty' (what am I saying, 'sort of'? - nah, it precisely describes the texture). On reflection, that makes 'grits' an ideophone - a word that describes or represents a quality of the thing it describes (an onomatopoetic word is a type of ideophone).

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No, no - it's not your fault that you are disadvantaged and have not been exposed to true grits (as it were). Bless your heart, you've probably only had "instant" grits (shudder!)
True grits are a noble thing - which have nourished generations of those who are fortunate enough, by the grace of God, to have been born Southerners. They are, when properly prepared, creamy and slathered with butter. Or cheese. Or better yet, butter and cheese. (I really missed dairy!). It is, of course, an abomination before the Lord to put sugar and milk on grits, as I once, to my horror, witnessed a poor yankee-boy do in Denny's. Bless his heart.
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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2011, 12:51:01 PM »

No, it's because they are written be ignorants whose knowledge about all but their own noses is taken from Wikipedia edited by their teen children.

Michał - well said!!! LOL  laugh laugh laugh

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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2011, 01:15:58 PM »

That's a bit insulting and misleading.

The article is about pierogies/varenyki...and has nothing to do with Christmas, or even Orthodoxy.

The title has nothing to do with the article.

The only thing I found insulting is using cheddar cheese instead of творог.  Is outrage.  I also worry about finding proper сметана in America.  I came back to the US to visit relatives over my Christmas break and the highest percentage of fat I could find in the regular supermarket was 9%.  The absolute lowest I've seen in Ukraine is 15%.  I would never consider buying below 20%.  Even better is to go to the market to get fresh сметана from the village, ~60% fat... paradise. 

I honestly don't see why people are upset over an article about a parish social event / fundraiser.   
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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2011, 01:46:17 PM »

That's a bit insulting and misleading.

The article is about pierogies/varenyki...and has nothing to do with Christmas, or even Orthodoxy.

The title has nothing to do with the article.

The only thing I found insulting is using cheddar cheese instead of творог.  Is outrage.  I also worry about finding proper сметана in America.  I came back to the US to visit relatives over my Christmas break and the highest percentage of fat I could find in the regular supermarket was 9%.  The absolute lowest I've seen in Ukraine is 15%.  I would never consider buying below 20%.  Even better is to go to the market to get fresh сметана from the village, ~60% fat... paradise. 

I honestly don't see why people are upset over an article about a parish social event / fundraiser.   

I'm not upset, we generate about 30% of our parish's quite considerable operating expenses from our sales during western Lent, our parish festival and several sales during the rest of the year! Pirohi/Pyrohy/Pierogi/Varenkiki Power! I don't care how you spell it, just eat it as Weird Al once sang!
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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2011, 01:55:28 PM »

I honestly don't see why people are upset over an article about a parish social event / fundraiser.   

I'm upset that journalist throw away all the traditions, teachings and values but food recipes.
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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2011, 02:03:48 PM »

I honestly don't see why people are upset over an article about a parish social event / fundraiser.   

I'm upset that journalist throw away all the traditions, teachings and values but food recipes.

In my city several catholic churches do "Christmas" tamales.  Maybe they can do a story about tamales next year.
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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2011, 02:17:07 PM »

... we generate about 30% of our parish's quite considerable operating expenses from our sales during western Lent, our parish festival and several sales during the rest of the year! Pirohi/Pyrohy/Pierogi/Varenkiki Power! I don't care how you spell it, just eat it as Weird Al once sang!

And those made by your parish are well worth eating; I've got to drive thru there this year and get some - it's been way too long (maybe grab a cup of coffee with you when I do  Smiley  )

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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2011, 02:30:20 PM »

That's a bit insulting and misleading.

The article is about pierogies/varenyki...and has nothing to do with Christmas, or even Orthodoxy.

The title has nothing to do with the article.

The only thing I found insulting is using cheddar cheese instead of творог.  Is outrage.  I also worry about finding proper сметана in America.  I came back to the US to visit relatives over my Christmas break and the highest percentage of fat I could find in the regular supermarket was 9%.  The absolute lowest I've seen in Ukraine is 15%.  I would never consider buying below 20%.  Even better is to go to the market to get fresh сметана from the village, ~60% fat... paradise. 

I honestly don't see why people are upset over an article about a parish social event / fundraiser.   

My grandmother would only use farmer's cheese.
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« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2011, 04:08:26 PM »

I honestly don't see why people are upset over an article about a parish social event / fundraiser.   

I'm upset that journalist throw away all the traditions, teachings and values but food recipes.

But the story is about ethnic Christmas traditions still celebrated in the US.  A dogmatic treatise would be out of place.

In my city several catholic churches do "Christmas" tamales.  Maybe they can do a story about tamales next year.

Awesome.  I grew up in Arizona.  When I came back home on Christmas day this year, a tamale was the first thing I had. 

My grandmother would only use farmer's cheese.

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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2011, 04:46:34 PM »

I honestly don't see why people are upset over an article about a parish social event / fundraiser.   

I'm upset that journalist throw away all the traditions, teachings and values but food recipes.

But the story is about ethnic Christmas traditions still celebrated in the US.  A dogmatic treatise would be out of place.

In my city several catholic churches do "Christmas" tamales.  Maybe they can do a story about tamales next year.

Awesome.  I grew up in Arizona.  When I came back home on Christmas day this year, a tamale was the first thing I had. 

My grandmother would only use farmer's cheese.

A true Ukrainian!  Grin

Farmers cheese is the only cheese filling to use for sure. Wegman's carries Friendship brand year round and always around Easter and Passover, at least in upstate NY where they started out.
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2011, 04:59:49 PM »

I honestly don't see why people are upset over an article about a parish social event / fundraiser.   

I'm upset that journalist throw away all the traditions, teachings and values but food recipes.

But the story is about ethnic Christmas traditions still celebrated in the US.  A dogmatic treatise would be out of place.

In my city several catholic churches do "Christmas" tamales.  Maybe they can do a story about tamales next year.

Awesome.  I grew up in Arizona.  When I came back home on Christmas day this year, a tamale was the first thing I had. 

My grandmother would only use farmer's cheese.

A true Ukrainian!  Grin

Farmers cheese is the only cheese filling to use for sure. Wegman's carries Friendship brand year round and always around Easter and Passover, at least in upstate NY where they started out.
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2011, 07:45:41 PM »

Binghamton, NY, is the pieroghi capital of the world!
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2011, 08:55:21 PM »

{Anticipated reply:  "I do not jest, and don't call me Shirley")
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2011, 09:02:42 PM »

Binghamton, NY, is the pieroghi capital of the world!

Capital?  Surely you jest!
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It's true.....http://www.pierogypocket.com/ and http://www.pierogies.com/retail/article.asp?articleid=56
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« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2011, 03:38:18 AM »

Binghamton, NY, is the pieroghi capital of the world!

Capital?  Surely you jest!

It's true.....http://www.pierogypocket.com/ and http://www.pierogies.com/retail/article.asp?articleid=56
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Absolutely true! As well as being the Spiedie Sauce and carousel capital!

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« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2011, 10:13:35 AM »

What's a pierogy? Huh

Dude, what kind of OCA parish do you attend?  Cheesy

Dudette would appear to be the proper usage and, given that the Dudette is in Dixie, it's probably most correct to frame the question as "Dudette, what kind of OCA parish do y'all attend, M'am?"

And except for the teensy-weensy grammatical point that "y'all" is plural, of course, I'm thrilled to see that there's at least one educated gentleman amongst all y'all here.

Miss Catherine--Around here, we do tend to say "all y'all" for the plural, just like you did.
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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2011, 08:32:19 PM »

(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)

Yet you'll probably eat grits. Pffh. You disgust me. *turns his northern nose up at you*  Tongue

OK, pilgrim, those are fighting words.  police

I would bet that I would change your mind if I could get you to visit us in Charleston, SC and partake of the heavenly Shrimp and Grits a la Charleston!
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2011, 12:15:39 AM »

(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)

Yet you'll probably eat grits. Pffh. You disgust me. *turns his northern nose up at you*  Tongue

OK, pilgrim, those are fighting words.  police

I would bet that I would change your mind if I could get you to visit us in Charleston, SC and partake of the heavenly Shrimp and Grits a la Charleston!
It's the End of the World in Charleston!
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2011, 10:27:13 AM »

(P.S. I have heard descriptions of pierogies but nothing would induce me to eat a potato-filled noodle, thank you so much.)

Yet you'll probably eat grits. Pffh. You disgust me. *turns his northern nose up at you*  Tongue

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