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« on: January 06, 2011, 03:34:26 AM »

A new friend on Facebook has contacted me expressing his desire to be baptized into the Orthodox Church. He is from Pakistan and has been a Catholic for many years. He told me that he contacted a Priest from the Syriac Orthodox Church but was refused (according to him)because of the conflict between India and Pakistan. Anyway, I told him I would try to find a Priest who might be willing to correspond with him and possibly catechize him. I think he is open to being baptized in any Non-Chalcedonian Church. His name is Javed. Please pray for him.

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 03:45:01 AM »

It's funny you mention it because playing around with facebook, I found out that the Coptic Bishop of Melbourne ordained a Pakistani a priest of a new Orthodox group under the auspices of His Grace.  Here's His Grace's facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=517291753
and the priest:
http://www.facebook.com/fr.anthony

Good luck :-)
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 03:51:13 AM »



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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 04:06:16 AM »

It's funny you mention it because playing around with facebook, I found out that the Coptic Bishop of Melbourne ordained a Pakistani a priest of a new Orthodox group under the auspices of His Grace.  Here's His Grace's facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=517291753
and the priest:
http://www.facebook.com/fr.anthony

Good luck :-)

Cool. Thanks Mina!

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 07:27:08 AM »

Btw, what's the status of Christians in Pakistan? Are they persecuted?
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 08:06:52 AM »

Situation doesn't seem good, just google "Asia Bibi". Although church building can be built with crosses on them.

Rawalpindi, Christian burned alive is buried. Police suspected of setting him on fire.

Punjab: Christian burned alive dies, Christian community calls for justice

Punjab governor assassinated, he had called for Asia Bibi’s pardon

Anyone who is against the blasphemy law puts his life at risk, Lahore archbishop says
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 10:31:07 AM »

Besema Ab, wo Weld, wa Manfes Kedus, ahadu Amlak, amin.

Greetings Gebre, beloved. I would just like to say that it is the shame that a priest refuses the baptism to a man because of political reasons. I do not know if things are not more complicated than that. But I think, an Oriental church, being the kingdom of God, should not limit itself to ethnical, social, political borders, or others.

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 10:33:21 AM »

My advice: be careful in such situations. 9 times out of 10, the requests for money will commence soon.  I have had that situation happen multiple times when being contacted by people from Pakistan, Africa, etc.

Anyone who knows me knows how missionary-minded I am, so that should frame the context of my cautionary warning and demonstrate I am not just being cynical.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 10:43:57 AM »

My advice: be careful in such situations. 9 times out of 10, the requests for money will commence soon.  I have had that situation happen multiple times when being contacted by people from Pakistan, Africa, etc.

Do you mean that you, as a clergyman, were asked to give money to them ?
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 11:03:37 AM »

..Syriac Orthodox Church and India Pak war?? Grin
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 12:11:44 PM »

He told me that he contacted a Priest from the Syriac Orthodox Church but was refused (according to him)because of the conflict between India and Pakistan.
1) Is Javed in Pakistan or is he in some foreign country?
2) Is the Syriac Orthodox Priest that he contacted based in India?
3) Do you know if he is referring to a Syriac Orthodox Priest under the Patriarchate of Antioch or the Autocephalous Indian Orthodox Church, which also follows the Syriac liturgy and tradition?

If the Syriac Orthodox Priest is based in India, then I am almost certain the Government of Pakistan will not give him a visa to go to Pakistan. That could be what is preventing the Priest. Also the Priest would be right to be concerned for the safety of Javed and that of himself. In Islam, if a believer abandons his faith he will be executed and Priest who baptizes him is not going to be spared either.
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 12:15:09 PM »

He told me that he contacted a Priest from the Syriac Orthodox Church but was refused (according to him)because of the conflict between India and Pakistan.
1) Is Javed in Pakistan or is he in some foreign country?
2) Is the Syriac Orthodox Priest that he contacted based in India?
3) Do you know if he is referring to a Syriac Orthodox Priest under the Patriarchate of Antioch or the Autocephalous Indian Orthodox Church, which also follows the Syriac liturgy and tradition?

If the Syriac Orthodox Priest is based in India, then I am almost certain the Government of Pakistan will not give him a visa to go to Pakistan. That could be what is preventing the Priest. Also the Priest would be right to be concerned for the safety of Javed and that of himself. In Islam, if a believer abandons his faith he will be executed and Priest who baptizes him is not going to be spared either.

Isnt he a catholic now?
I think it will be Syriac orthodox Church,since i dont think our church has managed to reach Pakistan so fast Grin
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 01:16:19 PM »

My advice: be careful in such situations. 9 times out of 10, the requests for money will commence soon.  I have had that situation happen multiple times when being contacted by people from Pakistan, Africa, etc.

Do you mean that you, as a clergyman, were asked to give money to them ?

Yes, it happens all the time. At least once a month. And not a few dollars. Hundreds, thousands. For every possible reason.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 07:15:50 PM »

He told me that he contacted a Priest from the Syriac Orthodox Church but was refused (according to him)because of the conflict between India and Pakistan.
1) Is Javed in Pakistan or is he in some foreign country?
2) Is the Syriac Orthodox Priest that he contacted based in India?
3) Do you know if he is referring to a Syriac Orthodox Priest under the Patriarchate of Antioch or the Autocephalous Indian Orthodox Church, which also follows the Syriac liturgy and tradition?

If the Syriac Orthodox Priest is based in India, then I am almost certain the Government of Pakistan will not give him a visa to go to Pakistan. That could be what is preventing the Priest. Also the Priest would be right to be concerned for the safety of Javed and that of himself. In Islam, if a believer abandons his faith he will be executed and Priest who baptizes him is not going to be spared either.

Yes, thank you. I think this is indeed the situation. I apologize if I indicated that the Priest was refusing baptism because of prejudices. Javed does not write well in English, so it's a bit difficult sometimes to understand him.

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