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« on: April 25, 2004, 06:06:06 PM »

Can anybody tell me whether or not it is o.k. to attend and take communion at a different Orthodox Church when being a member with another kind - like for instance, I'm a member at a Byzantine Catholic church, can I participate in any other so-called "orthodox' church or do I have to be a member ?
Or as a member of the Antioch Orthodox Church, can I share communion at the OCA or the ROC ?

I mean these questions seriously and not for discussion, just a plain ole answer will do  Smiley

And is there a weblink to the Orthodox Bible available?

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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2004, 06:49:07 PM »

Byzantine Catholics are not part of the Orthodox Church so you should you be recieving sacrements in an Orthodox Church.

Orthodox Christians can goto any Orthodox parish and recieve communion. Our churches may be seperate by administration but we are unitied in the chalice.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2004, 07:31:15 PM »

Thank you, Joseph.

Now here comes my next question:

does the Orthodox Church in general consider all other non-orthodox believers as un-saved and going to hell when they die?

Again, this question is not asked for discussion, just a plain answer will do. If there is a webpage where these matters are laid out with pro and con in detail, I'd appreciate it. I want to learn and to understand.

Thanks in advance for not receiving my questions as offensive.

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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2004, 07:50:03 PM »

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does the Orthodox Church in general consider all other non-orthodox believers as un-saved and going to hell when they die?

The short answer is that the church does not condone anyone to hell but rather tries to save all from going to hell.

Here is a website with an answer to your question by Fr. Thomas Hopko, former dean of St. Vladimir's seminary.

http://www.oca.org/pages/orth_chri/Q-and-A_OLD/Meeting-the-Orthodox.html#11
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2004, 08:02:03 PM »

Can anybody tell me whether or not it is o.k. to attend and take communion at a different Orthodox Church... ?
Or as a member of the Antioch Orthodox Church, can I share communion at the OCA or the ROC ?

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arimethea has given you a correct answer here and one which is the ideal. If you are visiting a parish which is not your home parish, even in the your same "jurisdiction", it is still a good idea to call ahead and talk to the priest. It will make his job easier and he will appreciate it as he must (in ideal) ascertain who is qualified to partake of the Holy Gifts.
BTW, I am so glad you found that parish; I'm an old (well, pretty old) Hampton Roads native myself and get a little homesick once in a while.  Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2004, 08:21:27 PM »

Thank you again, Joseph, you certainly helped me along with this link. I have read stuff by Fr.Thomas Hopko before and I like his writings. There is only one Body of Christ, and as Fr.Thomas expresses so carefully, there is no telling who is really part of it - church membership alone certainly won't cut it!

Shoshana, thankful for the spiritual treasures of the Church.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2004, 08:34:25 PM »

Ari, that's an interesting flag, is it from Jerusalem?

Thanks for the helpful hints. You have some good male common sense  Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2004, 08:43:49 PM »

Ari, that's an interesting flag, is it from Jerusalem?

Thanks for the helpful hints. You have some good male common sense  Smiley

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Thanks, I just found it and am still cleaning the image up. It's the flag of the Republic of Georgia. Had the tsar won the Crimean War, my grandfather's native area in Turkey would have been in Georgia instead of staying in Turkey. We are Laz people (in part) and related to the Georgians. It's hard to tell if that outcome of being under the tsar would have been any better considering Stalin was from Georgia and still made a mess of Holy Russia. But I liked the flag  Smiley -Georgia, very Orthodox country.

As to male common sense, my wife would call that an oxymoron, I think!

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2004, 09:28:58 PM »

Ari, here is an interesting link about the Laz people http://www.geocities.com/arzu_barske/laz1.html

Very interesting. We are all tribal people, going back to Noah , or as Acts 17:26 says "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation" .

Be blessed, you and your wife  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2004, 09:30:47 PM »

I think many of the OOs will commune you too whether Byzantine Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2004, 10:42:37 PM »

Ari, here is an interesting link about the Laz people http://www.geocities.com/arzu_barske/laz1.html

Very interesting. We are all tribal people, going back to Noah , or as Acts 17:26 says "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation" .

Be blessed, you and your wife  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2004, 11:59:44 AM »

Georgia is very interesting to visit, many well preserved Orthodox churches there (Stalin went relatively easy on his homeland in terms of destroying churches).

In terms of communication, an Orthodox may communicate in any Orthodox parish, but the priest has the right to ascertain whether you are Orthodox and whether you are prepared.  Hence it is best to call ahead.  We do not advocate parish hopping, really, it's more expected to settle in as the member of one particular community.

In terms of salvation, Orthodoxy takes no view as to those who are outside of her visible communion in terms of eternal salvation, damnation or the like.  

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2004, 12:47:24 AM »

I've read that God does not send anyone to Hell -- we go there of our own will.   God loves us and wants us to be close to Him (i.e., to be saved).  However, because of man's free will, sometimes his pride and his willful turning away from God get in the way and prevent this.  

Regular confession is so crucial to a Christian life.  It helps us re-orient ourselves along God's chosen path for us.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2009, 11:51:49 PM »

 An Antiochian Orthodox priest told me that somewhere in the middle east ( I say somewhere because I have forgotten exactly where  Tongue ) the Melkites and Antiochian Orthodox commune in each other's churches due to a lack of accessibility. That was news to me!.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2009, 12:29:42 AM »

Here's something interesting. It's about an Orthodox priest sharing communion in a Byzantine Catholic church. http://byztex.blogspot.com/2008/05/romanian-orthodox-bishop-communes.html
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Here's something interesting. It's about an Orthodox priest sharing communion in a Byzantine Catholic church. http://byztex.blogspot.com/2008/05/romanian-orthodox-bishop-communes.html

Old news...and extremely, EXTREMELY controversial.

P.S. He was actually a bishop...
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2009, 02:52:27 AM »

Here's something interesting. It's about an Orthodox priest sharing communion in a Byzantine Catholic church. http://byztex.blogspot.com/2008/05/romanian-orthodox-bishop-communes.html

Old news...and extremely, EXTREMELY controversial.

P.S. He was actually a bishop...
I meant to say " bishop" as the article stipulates and, it was fresh news to me. Even though it was reported a year ago.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2009, 08:58:06 PM »

Before the Eucharist is distributed to the faithful, when my priest comes out of the Holy Doors, he says this:  "Those of you Orthodox Christians who are prepared to receive the Holy Mysteries from prayer, fasting and recent confession, come forth.  Those of you who are not prepared or who are not Orthodox are welcome to come forward at the end of the Liturgy for the blessed bread and a blessing."  Then he says, "with faith, with love and with fear, draw near."

How many priests, whether EO, Byz Cath, or OO say something like to the congregation this before the distribution?  It should be emphasized simply because so many people today think they are "entitled" to the Mysteries regardless of what their personal confession of faith actually is. 

Also, if you have any doubt about whether you should commune in a parish not your own, don't commune. You will have plenty of other times to do that, but it is far better to not possibly abuse the eucharist to the point of condemnation than to risk.  We will be held accountable at the Last Judgment for every time we have received unworthily.
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Here's something interesting. It's about an Orthodox priest sharing communion in a Byzantine Catholic church. http://byztex.blogspot.com/2008/05/romanian-orthodox-bishop-communes.html

This makes those Greek Old Calendarists look pretty appealing right now!
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2009, 03:05:47 PM »

^That's pretty old news, over a year ago.  the matter has already been dealt with (if you can call it that) by the Romanian Holy Synod.
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2009, 03:20:01 PM »

Here's something interesting. It's about an Orthodox priest sharing communion in a Byzantine Catholic church. http://byztex.blogspot.com/2008/05/romanian-orthodox-bishop-communes.html

This makes those Greek Old Calendarists look pretty appealing right now!
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