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When the priest says "Let us attend! Holy things are for the holy!" the consecrated Lamb is lifted slightly above the paten (forgot the Greek word for this). This video of an Antiochian liturgy shows the priest lifting the Lamb up very high with his hands, much in the same way a Roman Catholic priest elevates a consecrated host. Skip to 49:00 minutes in and you'll see it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=952490109124099138#docid=7546123408967862665I'm curious about how common this practice is. I go to an Antiochian parish, and I've never seen the Lamb lifted up like that. I actually kind of like this practice, but maybe that's the secret papist in me. |
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2011, 10:36:38 PM » |
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When the priest says "Let us attend! Holy things are for the holy!" the consecrated Lamb is lifted slightly above the paten (forgot the Greek word for this). This video of an Antiochian liturgy shows the priest lifting the Lamb up very high with his hands, much in the same way a Roman Catholic priest elevates a consecrated host. Skip to 49:00 minutes in and you'll see it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=952490109124099138#docid=7546123408967862665I'm curious about how common this practice is. I go to an Antiochian parish, and I've never seen the Lamb lifted up like that. I actually kind of like this practice, but maybe that's the secret papist in me. very very common, it's been done in every parish i've been to... |
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2011, 11:06:29 PM » |
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The little red Orthodox prayer book by the Antiochian Archdiocese says this:
"(Then the Priest takes up the holy Bread in both hands and elevates it above the Diskarion, saying aloud:) ... (As the Priest lowers the holy Bread, he makes with it the sign of the Cross thrice, above the Diskarion. Meanwhile the Choir sings the following Hymn; the people sit.)
In the little red prayer book, it refers to it as the "Elevation"
The Divine Liturgy Hymnal (Compl. by Fr. Igor Soroka), 1979 also refers to it as the "Elevation".
In "Let us Attend: A Journey through the Orthodox Divine Liturgy" by Fr. Lawrence Farley, it says:
"The deacon calls all to holy anticipation saying, 'Let us attend!' and the Priest elevates the Body of Christ, summoning the faithful to draw near, saying, 'The holy things are for the holy!' The faithful cry out in joy, 'One is holy! One is the Lord - Jesus Christ, to the glory of God the Father!'"
He then speaks more about the phrase "Holy things are for the Holy", but he doesn't refer anymore about the elevation of the body of Christ.
In "The Orthodox Faith, Volume II: Worship" by Fr. Thomas Hopko, it says:
"The consecrated Lamb is then elevated with the proclamation: 'Holy things are for the Holy!' The people respond: 'One is Holy! One is the Lord, Jesus Christ! To the Glory of God the Father, Amen.' The celebrant then breaks the Lamb into four pieces according to the way it was cut at the prothesis."
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 12:30:16 AM » |
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I'm curious about how common this practice is. I go to an Antiochian parish, and I've never seen the Lamb lifted up like that. I actually kind of like this practice, but maybe that's the secret papist in me.
I think he was just being a little dramatic. The lamb is elevated but it is usually kept over the the diskos in order to make sure no crumbs fall. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2011, 03:53:45 AM » |
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I know that the Lamb is elevated yall. Read the phrasing of my question. I've just never seen it raised that high.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 09:35:21 PM » |
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It is in France correct?? Because if it is France, France is a Catholic country so it could be a western influence
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 10:33:21 PM » |
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It is in France correct?? Because if it is France, France is a Catholic country so it could be a western influence
No. Canada. Montréal. If you listen to much of the service, you will notice that it is trilingual: English, French, and Arabic. I doubt that Fr Antony has been influenced much by western practices. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2011, 10:53:29 PM » |
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I know that the Lamb is elevated yall. Read the phrasing of my question. I've just never seen it raised that high.
I'll echo Arimethea: there's no directions given as to "how high," but usually the Body of Christ is kept close to the paten (i.e. raised only a little bit). |
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2011, 05:49:38 PM » |
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Christ was raised up on the cross between 9 in the morning and three in the afternoon. In this way both sides of his body were lit by the sun.
His spirit was already in the risen state before his body died.
In the Christian tradition, there is Bright week also.
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2011, 05:57:03 PM » |
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would this be considered a form of eucharistic adoration? ort he closest the eastern church gets to it?
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2011, 05:58:55 PM » |
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His spirit was already in the risen state before his body died.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 02:59:13 PM » |
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would this be considered a form of eucharistic adoration? ort he closest the eastern church gets to it?
No. The Latin eucharistic adoration is a practice which places the consecrated host in a special device called a "monstrance" (SP?) for public veneration. Generally Latins are the ones who lift the host so high during the Mass, but they would not consider that elevation as "eucharistic adoration." |
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