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Know your Heretics
« on: January 01, 2011, 09:50:41 AM »
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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 11:16:26 AM »
Interesting reading.
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 12:28:59 PM »
Now we just need some "fail" images for Christians attempting to be "hip" and "relevant."

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 02:08:40 PM »
Grammar fail.

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2011, 02:52:08 PM »
I'm familiar with this group. Unfortunately, they're Reformed Protestants, and Reformed Christianity is necessarily Monothelite.

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 02:53:33 PM »
Grammar fail.

Wait, is this a joke? Should it say "know you're heretics?"

Maybe I'm a bad guy.

lol

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2011, 03:28:07 PM »
Grammar fail.

Wait, is this a joke? Should it say "know you're heretics?"

Maybe I'm a bad guy.

lol

I thought it was like an introduction to the group.  "Hi, we're the friendly neighborhood emergent heretics, and we'd you to get to know us better."
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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 05:29:50 PM »
I'm familiar with this group. Unfortunately, they're Reformed Protestants, and Reformed Christianity is necessarily Monothelite.

Ignatios,

I am unfamiliar with reformed protestantism. Can you explain why they are necessarily Monothelites? Thanks.

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2011, 06:36:58 PM »
I'm familiar with this group. Unfortunately, they're Reformed Protestants, and Reformed Christianity is necessarily Monothelite.

Ignatios,

I am unfamiliar with reformed protestantism. Can you explain why they are necessarily Monothelites? Thanks.
Because Calvinism denies that the human will is free, and Christ was fully human.

This says it better:

Monergism, the Calvinistic view, presupposing its Pelagian view of pre-lapsarian man, denies the possibility of anything fallen retaining a naturalwill, with its own natural energy. In thier view, the fall has erased the freedom of the will, and so it follows Christ cannot have a free human will, since He is supposed to be consubstantial with us. It must also then, deny that will is a property of nature, if Christ assumed our corruption (1 Cor. 15:35-57), whilst it denies that Christ had a fully human will. It’s one or the other: our view is orthodox: their view leads to the error of mon – energism, that in Christ there is only one will, the overpowering divine will. In this view, grace must replace nature, the human will is replaced by the divinewill. This makes sense, given their view of the fall. In conversion, there can be no natural human will raised effectually to the divine life, but a dead will, replaced by the divine will. Grace replaces nature. The Incarnational theology Chalcedon refused such a confusion of the divine with the human. Grace raises nature, and never replaces of destroys it.
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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2011, 06:46:18 PM »
Grrrr........my husband used to edit articles for that site. It is run by Mars Hill. In my opinion THEY should be on the list of heretics.

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2011, 06:54:24 PM »
When I first saw the site, I thought, "Oh, this is kind of neat-- a list of the major heresies, with pictures!" Then I clicked on a link to their front page, and... rats.   >:(   :laugh:

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 08:33:29 PM »
When I first saw the site, I thought, "Oh, this is kind of neat-- a list of the major heresies, with pictures!" Then I clicked on a link to their front page, and... rats.   >:(   :laugh:

I'm still not quite sure what I'm looking at - it's so disjointed.  This site reminds me of those pamphlets people used to hand me in the late 70's early 80's. .  .  . so  . . .duck and run?
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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 08:53:33 PM »
It is disjointed on purpose. They are "emergent," so everything has to be "accessable." In one section they blantantly paraphrase St. Athanasius in such a way that it appears to back up their theology when in reality it doesn't.

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2011, 08:55:52 PM »
It is disjointed on purpose. They are "emergent," so everything has to be "accessable." In one section they blantantly paraphrase St. Athanasius in such a way that it appears to back up their theology when in reality it doesn't.

Well, I'm too confused for them to convince me of anything . . . lol.
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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2011, 09:37:13 PM »
I've taken a look... don't know what to say...

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Re: Know your Heretics
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2011, 04:58:24 AM »
Here is a video example of one of the issues that Mark Driscoll has turned into dogma stay at home moms. They actually would implement church discipline on a stay at home father that otherwise could have a job.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1452701130761