Oh what the heck I'll just have some fun here Mina, it was too easy to point out your fallacies.
I'm having trouble following your argument here. Can you clarify?
Seriously? LOL. Nice avoidance of the issue sir. But, let's play dumb for a second and clarify..
There can simply be no Phenomenon, object, person, place, or thing without material physicality... And for the easier clarification. Nothing can not be a something! EVER! It can not be a substance, object, person, place, entity, or thing!
Not hard to grasp at all.
If you fear that you are right, why are you so callous? The problem with de-emotionalizing reality is simply in my opinion a destruction of reality, and a destruction of who we really are.
I'm being direct. It's not "de-emotionalizing reality" either. It is preventing you from using such thing as an argument because it's not an argument in regards to this subject. It's called honest discourse, and trying to emotionalize it a common tool used as some sort of argument to a supposed GODS existence when it is no such argument what-so-ever. If I don't be direct with you, this would spiral into nonsensical circular arguments that aren't worth anything in value to the discussion.
For instance, I love my girlfriend. There are two levels of understanding this "love." One is a biochemical understanding and another is a purposeful understanding. If I simply throw away the purpose of emotion, and simply shrug my shoulders and call love simply an irrelevant feeling resultant of neuronal firing, I am fooling myself for the importance of love in one's life. This is how God is to me, how prayer is important to me. There is a physical side that can be explained, but to ascribe to it fakeness, an action towards something that doesn't exist is to me far from reality. I don't mean to use fear mongering. Apparently, you're not afraid of what I said, so your argument of fear mongering is irrelevant.Try feeling love without actually and physically feeling it and expressing it.
All emotions and feelings are material physical patterns, and all that means is that they are REAL!
Using these as arguments is worthless to the discussion because I don't think you are going to argue that your love is "Nothing", and made of "Nothing". I'm also not afraid of what you said because I've used those arguments before while I was a Christian. I fully comprehend the argument and it's purpose even if it's seemingly not by intention.
But I simply believe this. There's always a why or how to everything around us. It's amazing how Stephen Hawking has proven everything in this world spontaneously created from nothing.
Incorrect. He was referring to zero point energy or ground state. As it GOES, nothing isn't nothing anymore in science! And that is because nothing in literal context is impossible. But for giggles I will post a some info for you.http://primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_universe/
Gravity is considered a negative energy where expansion is considered positive. It's assumed the the total net energy is zero. But I still consider Zero energy as energy in a state of Equilibrium vs actually being nothing or literally zero. This is why I am more fond of zero-point energy. So at rest there is zero-point energy. This is where zero also = 1 or (0,1)http://www.curtismenning.com/ZeroEnergyCalc.htm
There are two ways the word nothing is used.. it's either the scientific way, or a means to describe something that is absent to which you expect to be there.. Hence, its use is greatly dependent on the context in which you use it..
You can say nothing is in my coffee cup, however the nothing is only reference to what is absent.. Hence, where is the coffee that I expect to be in my cup? Well, it's in the coffee pot. However in a scientific context, is your empty cup really empty? Can you take the cup and poor the space out of it? Can you empty the cup of it's existence? No you can't because there will always be something in the cup. This is true even if you smash the cup because the cup itself is made of existence and space. and what is empty space or existence made of?
Well, lets take a closer look at this. What you perceive to be nothing really is a no-thing. And perceptually you can understand, interact, and see what empty space is. You can take any point in space and regress to back to zero or (0,1), or zero base energy.
So following the scientific context, a real simple way I can explain consciousness is that zero base information (energy) self-oscillates and formulates an informational structure. This can, with enough complexity as a structure, could process other pieces of information including itself with cognitive dynamics that could also lead to consciousness. The example here being that quantum computation does this in qbits that can process information in terms of probability, possibility, or in pure abstract. This could in theory be the driving force behind the butterfly effect, consciousness, emergence, and Quantum Electrodynamics. This is where zero point energy, as discussed above, is zero in the form of something like a qbit (both 0,1)..(clarification) So unlike binary code where the classic bit is either a 0 or a 1, or two separate switches or elements, its more like the Qbits to which are both 0 and 1 at the same time. This gives you a zero value base complexity, and that means you can with enough increase in complexity achieve consciousness, and the probability of any pattern arising from zero without the need for intelligent intervention. Also, IBM has also proven this to an extent with the 4 atom quantum computer.
I simply wonder, how did it just spontaneously create itself? How is there a cosmic balance of reactions between subparticles in the first place? How did these branes and strings (which are considered one-dimensional, so I don't understand your one or two dimensional argument) come about? How did they first start moving or shaking or vibrating into the material we are? The answer to atheists like you is simply the Laws of Nature. Really? You know that's borderline deism. You can't call yourself an atheist anymore and not consider the eternal nature of the "Laws." In addition, "eternalness" and "infinity" are scientifically unobservable. I cannot fathom how theoretical physicists simply assume their mathematical construct of infinity as creation. I'd like to find out. If infinity is indeed observable, then by all means, I don't mind God being the unobservable one that created it.
The point is this, all things "move" in some sense, and I believe in a "Mover." Your "Mover" is the Laws of Nature. I simply the Laws of Nature are collectively the blueprint of the Logos, a "Law-Giver". This necessitates the idea that there are things here that did not exist before. Case in point: I didn't exist before, and my self-awareness allows me to be even more contemplative of this fact and of my material nature. Therefore, I also believe in a Creator, not Someone who reassembles what's already there, but Who brings about things that didn't exist before and keeps them existing, a blueprint of His ever-existence. Finally, the ever-evolving and complicated Life that exists suggests a moving energy, a blueprint of a Life-Giver. I believe in the Pantocrator, the Logos, and Life-Giver. Creation attests to this, and I worship the one Name of God it truly bears.
How do I come up with this assumption? Well, I simply tested it. Is it worth believing in Him or not? If so, this God should also love, and move a sense of emotion in all of us to Love, and for this I simply tested this assumption by prayer, and sure enough, He exists, but not in the same plane as any form of other existence there is. He is both existent and non-existent, infinite and infinitesimal, everything and nothing, transcendant and imminent. He is the ultimate paradox, but I exist, and I don't want to stop existing. I am moved, and I don't want to stop moving. I have life, and I don't want it to go away. Call it emotional or fear mongering if you like. I call it the doorway to ultimate truth, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, One God. Everything starts with an assumption, and you test it. With atheism, there's nothing to test because it's a mere denial of the transcendant, not a fuller understanding of nature.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QubitLink
So here is what I was thinking on this issue when it comes to Zero Point energy:
* 0 = zero = Qbit = (0,1) = energy = a No -thing (base to potential self-oscillating energy)
* (0,1) = a no-thing:
* 0 = no other objects or complexities higher than zero
* 1= the only object even if there are an infinite number of other zero's (0,1)'s or points in space.. Because it's only relative to it's own point in space. Thus is zero point energy. However this could interact or interfere with other 0 points of energy and generate fluctuations and eventually the possibility of expansion and the rise to complexity. This being of course the Universe as we know it.
So in Quantum Electrodynamics, the particle and anti-particles are generated by borrowing energy from other zeros (0,1)'s (the future) to create a fluctuation that spawns them. So adding (0,1) to (0,1) gives you a possibility of getting (0,2). I'm not sure how it would work exactly, but that's just one conceptual idea. So these particles comeback together and destroy each other, leaving of course a byproduct that makes up the stuff of Stars and ourselves.
1) Energy Progression:
0 -> X =
Expansion: 0- infinity?
energy scale: 0 - infinity?
complexity scale: 0 - infinity ?
time scale: 0 -> ? , or 0 -> infinity?
dimensional scale: 0D -> XD
2) Energy Regression / decay:
X -> 0 =
Gravity: 0- Infinity?
energy scale: X? - > 0?
complexity scale: X? - > 0?
time scale: X? - > 0?3) non-existence / non-material / impossible:
- 0 literal energy
- 0 Dimensional or Spatial Capacity
- Can not be a person place or thing (noun), or can not have or gain mass. Nor can it be or have matter, and energy in the literal sense. It can not even be or contain itself.
Cool Factoids: We humans are 99.7% - 99.9% EMPTY SPACE!
I simply wonder, how did it just spontaneously create itself?
The natural properties of energy: Positive, Negative, Neutral.
How is there a cosmic balance of reactions between subparticles in the first place?
All matter is made of Energy. In fact Energy itself is the very substance to all that exists, and that includes empty space itself. Matter is essentially just different states of Energy. Energy is potential time, movement, action, reaction, complexity, expansion, and emergence. It's a chaotic system of positive, negative, and neutral properties that can be without doubt incredibly complex. Even complex enough for emotions, feelings, and consciousness to arise.
Chaos Theory and Emerging order from the coupling of positive and negative feedback:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HVRniR3GrQ&feature=player_embedded
Butterfly effect: Secret life of Chaos:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6NnCOs20GQ&feature=player_embedded
How did these branes and strings (which are considered one-dimensional, so I don't understand your one or two dimensional argument) come about?
String theory will still require to follow the rules. That is why they are considered 1 dimensional object and not -1 dimensional because they know -dimensional objects are impossible to exist. negative dimensions is equal to negative existence or negative properties to which are impossible to be properties because they by definition state themselves to not exist.
How did they first start moving or shaking or vibrating into the material we are?
That's a funny thing when you are talking about energy
The point is this, all things "move" in some sense, and I believe in a "Mover." Your "Mover" is the Laws of Nature
Again Energy naturally exists. And -1 energy is impossible as -1 spatial capacity considering energy is what makes up spatial capacity as an infinite volume. You can only have ground state to the base of all existence on an energy scale. Ground state represents Zero without literally being Zero since literal Zero is impossible to exist.
How do I come up with this assumption? Well, I simply tested it. Is it worth believing in Him or not? If so, this God should also love, and move a sense of emotion in all of us to Love, and for this I simply tested this assumption by prayer, and sure enough, He exists, but not in the same plane as any form of other existence there is. He is both existent and non-existent, infinite and infinitesimal, everything and nothing, transcendant and imminent.
A very nonsensical pleading argument.
1) you have a literal impossible self contradiction
2) To say a GOD is infinite is equal to say the sum total of existence is GOD. That includes me, you, and everything. And that conflicts with another argument of "Existing in a different plane".. And the very fact that you claim it to be it's own individual with it's own mind and consciousness already makes it finite and not infinite.
3) You are also no grasping "Existing IN" hence not the answer to existence or creator of. At best you are limited to material physical manipulation no different than man creating cars and big cities, or even synthetic life.
He is the ultimate paradox, but I exist, and I don't want to stop existing. I am moved, and I don't want to stop moving. I have life, and I don't want it to go away. Call it emotional or fear mongering if you like. I call it the doorway to ultimate truth, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, One God. Everything starts with an assumption, and you test it. With atheism, there's nothing to test because it's a mere denial of the transcendant, not a fuller understanding of nature.
Incorrect. the Ultimate Paradox is that Existence itself doesn't requires Consciousness to exist. It is consciousness that is slave to the rules of existence. You essentially have it backwards. The biggest difference is the Existence simply exists because Non-existence can not exist. There is no creator to existence because that is impossible, and you can argue by virtue of opinion alone that there is no such thing as "GODS". Especially when all entities must follow the rules of existence!
No one is advertising anything to you.
Never state you did. It was an example.
Let me give you some things straight out. If you are a Christian, your heavenly realm is growth and unity with God.
Was a Christian. And the Realm of GOD or Heaven,.. Think of your questions in regards to our Universe and then translate those to Heaven or any plane and realm you think could exist. You will find that all those questions will remain unexplained in terms of "Creation" simply because all minds are contained and must have a place to exist in. It's irrelevant if there are an infinite number of realms or universes. You can't create that which yourself require to exist! Thus GODS are logical fallacies.
If you are a Christian, your heavenly realm is growth and unity with God. If you are a Christian, you are to be self-sacrificial even to those who hate you or persecute you. If you are a Christian, any poor person that needs your help, you are commanded to help, irregardless of who this person is. If you a Christian, you should treat all as equals and not be deceptive, but straightforward and respectful with others. No advertising, no superficial clean image, no fear mongering. Just simply live your life and let others live, but when you live your life, you will suffer. I don't think that's something comforting to sell, and rather than brainwashing, it's rejected by most brains even among nominal Christians, but that's what a true Christian is. By your example alone, you should be able to draw people to yourself, not be a Protestant pop-up ad to others.
Irrelevant to the discussion, and is also irrelevant to religion vs any other form of belief. That kind of logic is applicable regardless simple because we are conscious entities. This includes emotions, feelings, morality, choices, decisions or whatever you want to claim.
TTC, even when you were a "Christian" you were an atheist all along. You never really was a Christian.