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Offline Tikhon.of.Colorado

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cremation or donating to science...
« on: December 27, 2010, 02:07:05 PM »
my dad has told me that, when he dies he wasnts either to be cremated and have his ashes scattered over a mountain, or that he's donating his body to science.

the thing is, he's in the process of joining the Church.

when he does pass away, what should be done?

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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 02:39:50 PM »
my dad has told me that, when he dies he wasnts either to be cremated and have his ashes scattered over a mountain, or that he's donating his body to science.

the thing is, he's in the process of joining the Church.

when he does pass away, what should be done?
If he dies as a catechumen or communicant, he should submit to the funeral practices of the Church. However, you can't force this on him; it's up to him to accept or reject it.
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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 03:04:51 PM »
Cremation is not approved by the Church. IDK what about donating body for students.
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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 04:21:57 PM »
my dad has told me that, when he dies he wasnts either to be cremated and have his ashes scattered over a mountain, or that he's donating his body to science.

the thing is, he's in the process of joining the Church.

when he does pass away, what should be done?
If he dies as a catechumen or communicant, he should submit to the funeral practices of the Church. However, you can't force this on him; it's up to him to accept or reject it.

I think the question is more on funeral practices of the EO church and what is acceptable, such as if cremation is acceptable, like wise donating ones body to science will end up in cremation (my wife's father donated his body to science and he was cremated when they were done studying his remains).

But I do agree that if he joins the Church then he should submit to the funeral practices therein, but you can't make him.
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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 04:59:19 PM »
Cremation is not approved by the Church. IDK what about donating body for students.

I know a number of fervently Orthodox medical students here in Romania who have never even questioned the use of cadavers in medical teaching until I brought it up. They attend a small university parish led by a charismatic young priest who, well, has rather creepy control over most aspects of their life. If Orthodoxy was really against this, you'd think they would be told. Perhaps Orthodox are forbidden from donating their bodies, but it could be that the deceased wasn't Orthodox anyway.

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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 05:11:17 PM »
It is my (unconfirmed) understanding that at least here in Canada, the body of a deceased person belongs to the next of kin. Even requests for disposition of the body in a will won't necessarily guarantee the wishes of the deceased, since it's not unusual for a will to be consulted until after the funeral. However unless all members of the family are in agreement to go against the wishes of the deceased, trouble will certainly be in store. In my opinion, it isn't good to go against the wishes of the deceased without a valid reason.

Just to clarify: I do support the Orthodox stand on respectful treatment of the body after death, including burial.

Trevor, during your father's catechumenate, you should try to find a gentle way to be sure that these matters are included in his studies.

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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2010, 05:36:06 PM »
Cremation is not approved by the Church. IDK what about donating body for students.

I know a number of fervently Orthodox medical students here in Romania who have never even questioned the use of cadavers in medical teaching until I brought it up. They attend a small university parish led by a charismatic young priest who, well, has rather creepy control over most aspects of their life. If Orthodoxy was really against this, you'd think they would be told. Perhaps Orthodox are forbidden from donating their bodies, but it could be that the deceased wasn't Orthodox anyway.

Isn't that a bit of a double standard?
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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2010, 06:50:54 PM »
RC opinion on this was moved to Orthodox-Catholic Discussion.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2010, 06:51:08 PM by Michał Kalina »
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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2010, 06:56:53 PM »
RC opinion on this was moved to Orthodox-Catholic Discussion.

Some what confused here, you moved me to http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,32420.0.html

HOWEVER to OP is from trevor72694, Faith: Orthodox Christian, why pump a comment should not all comments directly related stay within context and or the entire post be moved?

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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2010, 07:01:34 PM »
In the rules there is clearly stated that if you want to ask about moderator's decision you should do this via private message and not publicly.
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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2010, 07:06:10 PM »
The question of cremation has been placed before the Orthodox Church and Orthodox theological thought, it has invariably been resolved in a manner unfavorable to the question, although there has been no direct decision by the entire Church {NOT VATICAN} on this matter to date. However, if there are not explicit canons condemning the cremation of the bodies of the dead.
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Re: cremation or donating to science...
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2010, 07:14:34 PM »
 
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They attend a small university parish led by a charismatic young priest who, well, has rather creepy control over most aspects of their life.
So is his brother, if we are talking about the same priest. Only that he's in a different city, "persecuted" by the bishop.