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Very interesting, to say the least: :o  I think Fr. Seraphim Rose shared some similar concerns about extra-terrestrials/UFOs.

"We, the People of Earth, extend greetings to all races in the Greater Community of the Universe. We acknowledge our common heritage before the Creator of all the Universe, both visible and invisible. We declare the planet Earth as humanity’s Planet of Genesis, our Homeworld, and our sacred inheritance. We pledge henceforth to sustain and preserve the Earth for all generations to come. We call upon all humanity to treat all races everywhere with wisdom and justice, here on Earth and throughout the Universe.
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We demand that all extraterrestrials now cease all operations and activities and immediately vacate and depart from the Earth and its surroundings including the Sun, Earth’s Moon, and all planets of this Solar System. This includes vacating any natural or artificial satellites, as well as all space within the Solar System.

We demand that all extraterrestrial organizations who have established or operated bases on the Earth, its Moon, or anywhere else within this Solar System, dismantle these bases and fully disclose their nature.
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Be it known throughout the Universe that from this time forward, extraterrestrials may only enter our Solar System, approach our Earth, fly in our skies, set foot on our soil, or enter our waters with the explicit consent of the People of Earth."

« Last Edit: December 26, 2010, 05:42:58 PM by Jetavan »
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2010, 05:35:48 PM »
Why on earth did you bother to post this?

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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2010, 05:43:52 PM »
Why on earth
Nice pun.  ;D
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Didn't Fr. Seraphim Rose write a book on the dangers of UFOs?
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2010, 05:52:26 PM »
I don't recall that the Human Sovereignty Working Group has ever asked for my input  :D. I wonder how it will be ratified by humanity, and not just an obscure elite group. I'm also curious about how it will be enforced.

It also sounds as though we humans commit ourselves to remaining within the confines of our Solar System. Didn't I just read in the news somewhere that there's some sort of interplanetary space vehicle, launched in the 1970s, that is about to leave our Solar System? Bit of a conflict there.

And I must amend PoorFoolNicholas's question to read, "Why did you post this in the 'religious topics' forum?

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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2010, 05:55:24 PM »
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extraterrestrials may only enter our Solar System.... with the explicit consent of the People of Earth."

Awfully presumptuous of us to lay claim to the ENTIRE solar system. 
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2010, 06:01:08 PM »
And I must amend PoorFoolNicholas's question to read, "Why did you post this in the 'religious topics' forum?
One of the virtues of religion is being hospitable to the stranger, the foreigner in your midst, "stranger in a strange land", and such. By denying aliens the right to visit our planet without our permission, are we violating the Gospel?
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2010, 06:02:05 PM »
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2010, 06:05:29 PM »
If I were an alien reading this, I would probably say, "just who do these arrogant a-holes think they are?"

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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2010, 06:06:36 PM »
If I were an alien reading this, I would probably say, "just who do these arrogant a-holes think they are?"

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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2010, 06:06:57 PM »
And I must amend PoorFoolNicholas's question to read, "Why did you post this in the 'religious topics' forum?
One of the virtues of religion is being hospitable to the stranger, the foreigner in your midst, "stranger in a strange land", and such. By denying aliens the right to visit our planet without our permission, are we violating the Gospel?

Well, it's just good manners, isn't it?  It's okay to visit, just give us a ring first.  
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2010, 06:22:35 PM »
And I must amend PoorFoolNicholas's question to read, "Why did you post this in the 'religious topics' forum?
There's also the possibility that the anti-Christ (if Revelation is interpreted to be pointing towards a still-future event) will be alien-related. Aliens bearing gifts of awesome technology (such as that which might cure cancer, or regenerate limbs) would serve as very likely candidates for a "new God".
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2010, 06:24:54 PM »
And I must amend PoorFoolNicholas's question to read, "Why did you post this in the 'religious topics' forum?
There's also the possibility that the anti-Christ (if Revelation is interpreted to be pointing towards a still-future event) will be alien-related. Aliens bearing gifts of awesome technology (such as that which might cure cancer, or regenerate limbs) would serve as very likely candidates for a "new God".

I've heard many people boldly assert that the anti-christ will be an alien from outer-space bringing forth all kinds of new technology and the like.

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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2010, 06:29:49 PM »
Heh.

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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2010, 11:40:03 PM »
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extraterrestrials may only enter our Solar System.... with the explicit consent of the People of Earth."

Awfully presumptuous of us to lay claim to the ENTIRE solar system. 

That's what I was thinking.  I mean, we could certainly say that the Earth belongs to humanity, and maybe even that the moon does.  But to claim the whole solar system does seem rather presumptuous. 

Plus, if aliens are out there (and against all the odds have technology that can bring them to Earth, given how fast they would have to be going - unless they are extremely long lived), I don't see why we have any right to prevent them from entering Earth without the permission of humanity.  Besides the fact that to force them to get all of humanity's permission (or even just of its governments) is absurd since Russia has no right to keep anyone out of America, can anyone on Earth really claim to own the oceans and to therefore have a right to keep aliens out of them?  Or does anyone own Antarctica and have a right to keep aliens out of it?
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2010, 12:05:07 AM »
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extraterrestrials may only enter our Solar System.... with the explicit consent of the People of Earth."

Awfully presumptuous of us to lay claim to the ENTIRE solar system. 

That's what I was thinking.  I mean, we could certainly say that the Earth belongs to humanity, and maybe even that the moon does.  But to claim the whole solar system does seem rather presumptuous. 

Plus, if aliens are out there (and against all the odds have technology that can bring them to Earth, given how fast they would have to be going - unless they are extremely long lived), I don't see why we have any right to prevent them from entering Earth without the permission of humanity.  Besides the fact that to force them to get all of humanity's permission (or even just of its governments) is absurd since Russia has no right to keep anyone out of America, can anyone on Earth really claim to own the oceans and to therefore have a right to keep aliens out of them?  Or does anyone own Antarctica and have a right to keep aliens out of it?

For all we know they were here first... Ancient Alien theory anybody? Sorry I've watched the History Channel too much lately...
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2010, 12:13:01 AM »
It's exceptionally crass, seeing as that the Earth is really just a game preserve for the Predators...
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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2010, 12:54:22 AM »
A classic on the subject

Your link is not coded properly, so I fixed it for you. Hope you don't mind...

A classic on the subject

a more likely scenario

Also, fixed this.
a more likely scenario

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2010, 01:12:38 AM »
A classic on the subject

Your link is not coded properly, so I fixed it for you. Hope you don't mind...

A classic on the subject

a more likely scenario

Also, fixed this.
a more likely scenario

Thanks hope Fr. Christmas("Daidaín na Nollaig"?) was good to you this year.

Not a problem, glad I could help. Daidaín na Nollaig is correct in Gaeilge (Irish) but in Gàidhlig (Scottish) it is Bodach na Nollaig, and he was quite good to me, thank you  :) !

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2010, 01:41:35 AM »
Yes, "Uncle Max" was quite generous ;)
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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2010, 01:43:47 AM »
Yes, "Uncle Max" was quite generous ;)

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Re: The Declaration of Human Sovereignty Regarding ExtraTerrestrial Contact
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2010, 11:08:57 PM »
NCR: Do you think that detecting intelligence beyond Earth will be disruptive to the world’s religions?

Douglas Vakoch, a director at SETI: I suspect that won’t happen. If you look at the relation between science and religion over the millennium you see a fruitful dialogue with religion often supporting science’s discoveries.

A discovery of intelligence elsewhere in the universe speaks to our own place in the universe and how unique we are. People think the impact of discovery will be to diminish our sense of uniqueness. I think it will be the opposite. The more we learn about another expression of intelligence elsewhere, the more we will realize how different we are from any other being. Even if we have enough in common to make contact, we are still different. Another benefit is that it will give us a chance to think about how much our own view of the universe is a parochial one. Making an encounter with other cultures and even other religions will gives us a way to look anew at our own beliefs.

We’re not going to teach them a lot about science. If we look at how we’ve managed our own world we can find lots of ways we haven’t done as well as we could. Yet those are fundamental aspects of who we are. If we are making contact with long-lived civilization, they may no longer have access to some of the things we use to define ourselves as human like mortality. Describing ourselves in our wholeness is perhaps the most interesting way to present ourselves.
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