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Re:A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #90 on: November 23, 2008, 09:41:23 PM »
Christos Earnest! Christ is Risen!

so lets say that almost all orthodox bishops want to reunite with the west as voted in a unorthodox council but there is a lone bishop that refuses, what happens next?

Been there, done that :). Ask Saint Mark of Ephesus.

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St. Mark is my patron.

If one Bishop refuses the impact depends upon who that Bishop is. Without Mark, the false union had no hope. But the process includes how the people accept or  reject such agreements. Back then, it was St. Mark plus the rejection of the mass of Othodox people that did in the false union.

So it will be with us today.

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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #91 on: November 23, 2008, 09:54:11 PM »
I just concluded a three week email correspondence with a Catholic Priest about the unity issue. I had seen him on EWTN take cheap shot at the Orthodox. So I wrote to him and we went over the issues. It was fun and informative. However, I have to say that if his attitudes is at all representative of the RCC..there is no shot at unity for a long while.

He is a bit unusual since he is a converted Anglican Priest whom Rome allows to be married. But basically he wants us to come to heel. The air of superiority that he took was not a pretty site. Add to that his basic misconceptions about the Orthodox ( though he had clearly made a study of us) and his unquestioning adherence to Roman dogma hit the trifecta..  "Arrogant, Ignorant and Proud" 

And this guy is an author and lecturer and professional apologist, his specialty is with the Evangelicals. He said we and the Evangelicals are both "primitives"..........anyway I wont bore you with more details but the unity thing is a long long long way off IMHO

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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #92 on: November 23, 2008, 09:58:59 PM »
One Anglican convert to Catholicism does not equal Pope Benedict XVI.   ;)

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Re:A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2014, 05:58:59 AM »
Just stumbling on the past:
So you are saying that the Holy Spirit was guiding the Pope when he decided that Galileo was wrong and that the Earth really is the center of the Universe? That the Holy Spirit was guiding the Pope when he either instigated, or at the least, approved of WESTERN Christians slaughtering (what was it, 13 times?),  hundreds of thousands of people in the Crusades in the name of Christianity? etc, etc, etc.....

Reading the histiory of your church, I would not be questioning how the Holy Spirit operates in the EO Churches, I would be asking how it operates in yours.


Er. Tom, do you have any idea how ignorant these questions are?

I tried to find a more diplomatic word than "ignorant," but it really seemed like the mot juste. If I have offended, forgive me, but I don't know what else to say.

Do you honestly think Catholics believe the Pope is infallible every time he sneezes? That's a common misconception among fundamentalist Protestants, but ISTM an Orthodox should know better.

I'm sorry if that seems abrasive, but OTOH you seem to feel you can insult our Faith with impunity (and with more zeal than knowledge, frankly). Ben merely asks a *question*--and you respond with insulting cracks about Catholicism.

Moreover, you're very misinformed about the Galileo incident. Let's just say that you seem to have bought into the typical anti-Catholic Galileo Myth. Bob Jones, call your office. :p

AMDG,

Diane, wondering if non-proselytizing diplomacy means that we Catholics have to sit here and take it when our Faith and Church are grossly misrepresented
Very odd words from someone bearing responsibility of the banishment of the Orthodox on CAF to the "non-Catholic" religions, or just plain banishment.
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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2014, 07:15:11 AM »
Lord have mercy. If the creed is to be believed, we can not accept the two lungs theory.
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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2014, 09:27:38 AM »
I translated the material below from the French Orthodox forum, Orthodoxie.  I find myself perplexed by His Holiness's enthusiasm for dialogue leading toward eventual unity with the Roman Catholic Church, given the state of the latter in the post-Vatican II environment.

I am also somewhat confused and troubled by His Holiness's endorsement of the terms, "two lungs of the Church" and "sister Churches," and his statements concerning the "tearing apart" of "the Body of Christ."  I was catechized that the Church has consistently held that the body of Christ is One, and always will be One, whether the Roman patriarch is in communion with that Body, or not.

You can find the original posting, in French, at http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodoxie/message/849.

It is the body of Christ that makes him(Roman Pope) a Patriarch, his patriarchy does not make or break the Body of Christ
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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2014, 01:26:21 PM »
Bumping a ten-year old thread; now that's some impressive e-archaeology.

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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2014, 01:30:09 PM »
Bumping a ten-year old thread; now that's some impressive e-archaeology.

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Thread necromancers are an abomination.
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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2014, 04:17:26 PM »
Hey the forum still talks about the same thing 10 years later, Patriarchate of Constantinople speaking of the Roman Catholics as a sister church!
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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2014, 04:22:03 PM »
Bumping a ten-year old thread; now that's some impressive e-archaeology.

"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.  For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. (Deuteronomy 18:10-13)"

Thread necromancers are an abomination.

Many things described as "abominations" in the OT are ok now. This is one of them.  :angel:
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Re: A VERY Ecumenical Patriarch
« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2014, 10:38:25 PM »
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