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« on: December 20, 2010, 05:02:45 PM »

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I was chrismated just two days ago and since then I've felt many many temptations...I'm not sure how to combat these any advice?

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 05:06:02 PM »

Prayer and vigilance.  And don't despair if you succumb to them.

I know it sounds vague and probably sanctimonious, but that's the best bulwark against temptations. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 06:07:15 PM »

Temptations are harder the more you focus on them. Don't fall prey to "I'll just entertain the thought a little...", which can easily lead to "I'll walk right up to the line, but I'm not going to cross it!".

Best thing is to try and ignore it. Tempted? Avoid it. Do something else. Don't allow yourself to dwell on it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 07:20:16 PM »

Mazl tov, Seraphim.

Winston Churchill is famously quoted as having said, "If you're going through hell, keep going."

He had a point. Just keeping going. I know it sounds a bit trite but keep praying. All the enemy wants is for you to stop praying, so don't.

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 07:41:33 PM »

Everything the other posters said. Take up your prayer rope and pray the Jesus prayer. At the name of Jesus, demons will flee and their temptations will melt like wax exposed to a flame.

In addition, read the Ladder of Divine Ascent. St. John speaks of virtues and sins, how to grow in one and resist the other. One of the most insightful books ever written.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 02:22:13 PM »

I can tell you that confession is one of the best tools against temptations.  also, temptations are there, and they alwayse will be.  the question is:  will you give in to them and sin? 

also, pray as much as you can.  keep a prayer rule.  if there are specific temptations you are dealing with, google "Orthodox prayers for _____"   pray in the mornings and evenings.

I am often tempted by lust, especially.  I had a very bad problem with pornography.  I'm finally starting to get over that, and it's all thanks to the sacrament of confession.  one of my favorite books:  The Forgotten Medicine: The Mystery of Repentance by Arch. Seraphim Aleksiev says that that which is hidden from the confessor Satan dwells in.  when we bring our sins to the surface, Satan dissappears.  take courage in confession, and our temptations won't be that frusterating (if we confess, that is).
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2010, 02:11:07 AM »

I think this podcast does a pretty good job in helping with this:
http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/hopko/our_thoughts_feelings_and_memories
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2010, 11:49:37 AM »

Glory to Jesus Christ!

I was chrismated just two days ago and since then I've felt many many temptations...I'm not sure how to combat these any advice?

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I can relate.  I was chrismated recently, and I am being beset with temptations as well.  I am not sure if the temptations are more and stronger, or if I am just more aware of them, now that I have been 'washed clean' through Baptism and Chrismation.  I wonder if the Devil is trying extra hard with me since I have officially rejected him and his works....

Just keep praying and partaking of the grace given in Holy Confession and Holy Eucharist.  I will be praying for you my friend.  Pray for me, a sinner, as well.

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2010, 12:25:56 PM »

I think this podcast does a pretty good job in helping with this:
http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/hopko/our_thoughts_feelings_and_memories

Fantastic podcast! Listen to it maybe every two weeks if not more often.

Interesting to hear him draw ideas from AA or use them as contemporary examples of ancient thought.

I agree in practice with him. Name what is going on, then get on with life and move toward God.

I've seen too many drunks and addicts get so caught up in their story, they never can leave it behind so to speak. Most eventually drink and use again, and if not, they are insufferable to be around long because pretty much they live their entire life in their past. Their entire life becomes a drunkologe.

And I can say if it were not for AA, I doubt I would have been open to Orthodoxy. Might seem strange that an extremity of Protestantism would lead might lead one to the OC, but in matters of a practical nature there is much in common.



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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2010, 09:50:55 PM »

I think this podcast does a pretty good job in helping with this:
http://ancientfaith.com/podcasts/hopko/our_thoughts_feelings_and_memories

I just finished listening to Fr. Hopko's podcast. It was the perfect answer to some of the issues I've been dealing with re: temptations. I'm still in the process of becoming Orthodox. I will be Chrismated this upcoming Pascha 2011 and as of late it seems there's all manner of crazy stuff coming at me, and causing me to think althought I know I want to be Orthodox with everything that's in me, is it possible to get "cold feet" not unlike an engaged person a few weeks before a wedding? to going to the 'right' church for the wrong reasons?  and I see now that junk is nothing but the Evil One trying to distract me.
 
Well, I will continue to listen to that podcast and not as Fr. Hopko puts it "engage the thoughts, fantasies, memories" that I know are potentially destructive.

Thank you for posting this. Now I shall go back to lurking.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 12:41:28 AM »

Everything the other posters said. Take up your prayer rope and pray the Jesus prayer. At the name of Jesus, demons will flee and their temptations will melt like wax exposed to a flame.


I'd just like to add that the Jesus prayer has helped me more than I can express.  I practice it daily on my prayer rope.  I had a terrible habit with pornography, and that's a hard thing to stop.  even now, I feel tempted to open up a new window and look at it.  but, what has STOPPED me from doing it time and time  again is wearing my prayer rope on my wrist when ever I log on.  I would wear it to school, (another place where temptation is present like a weed in a neglected garden) but I'm afraid of what people would think...

anyway, wear a prayer rope and practice the Jesus prayer.  that really helps!
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 12:54:03 AM »

I would wear it to school, (another place where temptation is present like a weed in a neglected garden) but I'm afraid of what people would think...
Suppose it depends where you live, but I doubt many would care.  Kids used to go to school with Sihk kara, Muslim prayer ropes, RC rosary braclets, etc when I was in high school.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 01:13:20 AM »

I would wear it to school, (another place where temptation is present like a weed in a neglected garden) but I'm afraid of what people would think...
Suppose it depends where you live, but I doubt many would care.  Kids used to go to school with Sihk kara, Muslim prayer ropes, RC rosary braclets, etc when I was in high school.
I will definatly think about this.  everyone sports a RC Rosary around their neck, even some a pectoral crucifix.  I would like to wear my prayer rope on my wrist, I'll think about this.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 06:48:13 AM »

I will definatly think about this.  everyone sports a RC Rosary around their neck, even some a pectoral crucifix.  I would like to wear my prayer rope on my wrist, I'll think about this.

I encourage you to do so Trevor, school is so abound with temptations but always turn to God for strength. Fr. Hopko talks about how we shouldn't even dwell on them but go towards God (for me I would read the Bible, pray, read some patristics, etc)

It's a very difficult temptation, pornography, I know I have suffered it before. I would argue it's worse than drugs and alcohol. First of all you don't need money to buy it, it's always readily accessible, it provides a temporary "high", etc. It's the worst drug of all, and it's addiction is so very hard to escape out of it. You go back to these memories and thoughts, then once you know it you are so far deep in dwelling it that you come up to that line where you just do a step out of it and your right into the addiction all over again. Willpower won't do it alone, that's why you have to turn over to God to help you. God won't put things into your life that you can't handle.

I will pray for you everyday Trevor because escaping from the shackles of pornography is one of the hardest things one can do, but know it's not impossible to do so.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 02:14:24 PM »

I will definatly think about this.  everyone sports a RC Rosary around their neck, even some a pectoral crucifix.  I would like to wear my prayer rope on my wrist, I'll think about this.

I encourage you to do so Trevor, school is so abound with temptations but always turn to God for strength. Fr. Hopko talks about how we shouldn't even dwell on them but go towards God (for me I would read the Bible, pray, read some patristics, etc)

It's a very difficult temptation, pornography, I know I have suffered it before. I would argue it's worse than drugs and alcohol. First of all you don't need money to buy it, it's always readily accessible, it provides a temporary "high", etc. It's the worst drug of all, and it's addiction is so very hard to escape out of it. You go back to these memories and thoughts, then once you know it you are so far deep in dwelling it that you come up to that line where you just do a step out of it and your right into the addiction all over again. Willpower won't do it alone, that's why you have to turn over to God to help you. God won't put things into your life that you can't handle.

I will pray for you everyday Trevor because escaping from the shackles of pornography is one of the hardest things one can do, but know it's not impossible to do so.
thank you very much, Achronos!  I will also be praying for you!     I useually pray with a 100-knot prayer rope, but it looks a bit odd on my wrist, with a litle wool tassle hanging from my arm.  I have a 33-knot prayer rope that makes the perfect bracelet (I've been blessed with the hands of a gorilla, so it will stay on my arm)

you are also in my prayers!
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