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« on: April 18, 2004, 11:30:30 AM » |
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In a recent letter regarding the movement of the UGCC from Livov to Kiev Cardinal Husar (head of the UGCC) makes the following comment. {Caps are mine}
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Cardinal Lubomyr writes:
[Without doubt, the past grandeur and glory of Kyiv was associated with its Church. The city built on the winding banks of the Dnipro River was able to become “the mother of the cities of Rus’” and the “new Jerusalem” of the Slavs BECAUSE ITS CHURCH BECAME THE MOTHER OF ALL CHRISTIANS IN EASTERN EUROPE]
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When the heck did the Church of Kiev become the mother of all christians in Eastern Europe? The Carpatho Russians received their christianity from Sts Cyril & Methodious in 863-864, not St Vladimir in 988. Which makes them Christians with a culture for over a century (124 years to be exact) before what is now Ukraine became christian. This means that they already had an established church while their Ukrainian neighbors were still bowing down before carved tree trunks!
How could the descendents of St Vladimir in 988 become the mother of the descendents of Sts Cyril & Methodius who christianized parts of Eastern Europe in the later part of the 800's. Or the mother of the Bulgarian Church which received christianity in 863. Not to mention the Poles.
Perhaps the good Cardinal can explain how a mother can be born 124 years after her child!
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2004, 10:43:07 AM » |
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LOL, Ukrainians (no offense to the Ukies out there, I'm 1/8 or something like that myself), tend to live in their own little world, and naturally make themselves the center of it. Did you hear the one about Adam & Eve being Ukrainian?
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Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2004, 11:31:42 AM » |
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:rofl: :bounce: :cwm3:
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 10:00:41 PM » |
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LOL, Ukrainians (no offense to the Ukies out there, I'm 1/8 or something like that myself), tend to live in their own little world, and naturally make themselves the center of it. Did you hear the one about Adam & Eve being Ukrainian? No, but on the Iconstasis of one of the local Ukrainian Orthodox Churches im my area the Theotokos is pictured wearing a Ukranian embroidered peasant blouse while the infant Jesus is wearing a Ukranian blouse with cossack pants and boots. So I guess Our Lord and His Mother were Ukranian! Wonder what the Irish would have to say about that!!!   Orthodoc |
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 10:12:59 PM » |
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LOL, Ukrainians (no offense to the Ukies out there, I'm 1/8 or something like that myself), tend to live in their own little world, and naturally make themselves the center of it. Did you hear the one about Adam & Eve being Ukrainian?
You know, it's like spitting into someone's face and then saying, "oh, I did not really mean anyone who is present here." Sorry. Yes, SOME Ukrainians are stupid. Some (fill the blanks) are stupid, too. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 10:16:26 PM » |
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LOL, Ukrainians (no offense to the Ukies out there, I'm 1/8 or something like that myself), tend to live in their own little world, and naturally make themselves the center of it. Did you hear the one about Adam & Eve being Ukrainian?
You know, it's like spitting into someone's face and then saying, "oh, I did not really mean anyone who is present here." Sorry. Yes, SOME Ukrainians are stupid. Some (fill the blanks) are stupid, too. The post you are responding to is over 4 years old. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 10:26:24 PM » |
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LOL, Ukrainians (no offense to the Ukies out there, I'm 1/8 or something like that myself), tend to live in their own little world, and naturally make themselves the center of it. Did you hear the one about Adam & Eve being Ukrainian?
You know, it's like spitting into someone's face and then saying, "oh, I did not really mean anyone who is present here." Sorry. Yes, SOME Ukrainians are stupid. Some (fill the blanks) are stupid, too. The post you are responding to is over 4 years old. Sorry, my bad, disregard.  |
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 04:06:58 AM » |
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Nevermind the Rusyns. What happened to the Greeks being Eastern European and Christian hundreds of years before any Slav?
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 11:09:26 PM » |
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Nevermind the Rusyns. What happened to the Greeks being Eastern European and Christian hundreds of years before any Slav?
Most people nowadays would consider Greeks to be Mediterraneans as opposed to "Eastern Europeans", I would think. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 11:39:59 PM » |
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The post is now over 5 years old.  |
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 11:46:43 PM » |
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The post is now over 5 years old. A few more years and it'll qualify for Cash for Clunkers. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2009, 09:26:20 PM » |
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Who bumped the clunker ?
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 09:16:41 PM » |
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What I think the Cardinal is trying to say (or would have said if he was being more honest) is that the Kievian Rus civilization (880s-1240) is the mother of all East Slavic civilizations today - Russian, Ukranian and Byelorussian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kievan-rus-1015-1113-(en).pngKiev was its capital, but the Mongols wiped it off the map. The modern Kiev dates from much later, or so I've read. |
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