as i demonstrated in the other thread, its actually the Protestants and the Muslims who are in association with Orthodox beliefs (and you recognized this in the other thread - you said that the Fathers are wrong because of their literal interpretation of Genesis). so yes, i'm glad that the heterodox have retained some seeds of the truth. Unfortunately, the only thing you've demonstrated with any definitive authority on the other thread is that you just can't walk away from an argument.
oh thank you, but actually i was responding to Minasoliman, who in the other thread acknowledged that the Fathers have consistently interpreted Genesis literally, which prompted him to say that the Fathers are wrong. your input sure is swell though!
No, I said their science is wrong. Another stupid post.
right -- you think their "science" is wrong because their interpretation of Genesis is clearly incompatible with evolution. in post 2642 you said:
I'm going to be very clear with you. The saints are wrong. Period!
There was death. Leaving evolution out of the picture, the evidence clearly shows death existed long before apes even existed. The fossil records are consistent about this and don't lie. I don't care if you don't agree with evolution. But surely you are also rejecting other sciences when doing this.
the Saints dont believe there was death before sin, but because of evolution you do. so i haven't misrepresented what you said. i don't know what the point is of trying to deny what you said then.
and really dude, your bad mood isn't very becoming.
Well, I qualified that by showing you that many church fathers have disagreed with previous fathers based on wrong science. It's not uncommon. I also showed you that the unanimous belief of angels copulating with women was not even rejected until the third century. I also asked you how does this effect my salvation? Whether animals died or not before the fall have no salvific value to my soul. I showed you that a ROCOR bishop expressed belief in this, and so even traditionalists understand what it means for something to have salvific value. But since you repeat your comments and misrepresent me now, it no longer becomes a new comment to be dealt with for the first time, but it becomes a stupid comment. It's not a bad mood. It's common sense, which is what your post lacks.
Not to mention your Basilian liturgy also implied it. I'm not sure what else I can tell you. But you still haven't answered my question from before. How does my belief affect my salvation?
yes, you brought in the whole bit about angels to show that the overarching teaching can change, and so you're confident that the Church's literal interpretation of Genesis will change. so again, yes, you admitted that the Church interprets Genesis literally - you're just somehow certain that that will change, and i said you can get back to me when that happens. that was the whole reason you brought in the angels -- if the Church didn't have a uniform teaching then your point about the angels would have been completely meaningless to bring in. so no, i didnt misrepresent you. and i dont recall you demonstrating anything about Fathers disagreeing with Fathers based on wrong science ...
you posted something from St. Basil's liturgy about man being cast from the garden which actually mentioned nothing about the state of the world outside the garden before man's sin, so it proved absolutely nothing. my guess is you're assuming that the state of the world after the Fall is the same as its state before the Fall.
and asking "how does my belief affect my salvation?" is quite reductionist, and Protestant. i randomly asked my Protestant mom tonight how many wills she thinks Christ has and she said that wasn't even something she'd ever considered, but i don't think this will keep her from Heaven. for the Protestants such questions are meaningless, but for the Orthodox they are quite important because they point us to the true Christ. so i don't think that you believing that God is the author of death is going to automatically damn you, but it seems rather un-Orthodox to claim that it therefore doesn't matter. just because something might not affect you
doesnt mean it doesnt matter. if the idea that God is the author of death were to become accepted in the Church that could have negative effects over time -- if God intends death then Christ must not really be the conqueror of death, etc. would believing in Chiliasm really
send me to Hell? i highly doubt it, and yet the Church still found it necessary to combat it.
and for something that you're so sure doesnt affect your salvation and isnt important, you sure spend a lot of time arguing about it, and trying to find ways to prove the Fathers wrong.
you've derided several posts as being stupid. you're pretty clearly in a bad mood over what you perceive to be a lack of common sense. get a grip.