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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdelphopoiesisAdelphopoiesis, or adelphopoiia from the Greek ἀδελφοποίησις, derived from ἀδελφός (adelphos) "brother" and ποιέω (poieō) "I make", literally "brother-making" is a ceremony practiced at one time by various Christian churches to unite together two people of the same sex (normally men). Does anyone know if this ritual is still practiced by the orthodox church. There are revisionist historians who claim that this ritual is a form of homosexual marriage however it is clear to me that this ritual is NOT a form of homosexual marriage.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 12:17:24 PM » |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdelphopoiesisAdelphopoiesis, or adelphopoiia from the Greek ἀδελφοποίησις, derived from ἀδελφός (adelphos) "brother" and ποιέω (poieō) "I make", literally "brother-making" is a ceremony practiced at one time by various Christian churches to unite together two people of the same sex (normally men). Does anyone know if this ritual is still practiced by the orthodox church. There are revisionist historians who claim that this ritual is a form of homosexual marriage however it is clear to me that this ritual is NOT a form of homosexual marriage. Do brothers do such things? |
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Not to be flippantly dismissive, but something of such a personal nature as this is best addressed by your priest, not by anonymous yahoos on an Internet discussion forum.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 12:39:17 PM » |
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I believe that the claim is Saint Sergius and Bacchus took part in a service such as this. I don't really understand how it can be seen as a homosexual rite. But on the other hand, when one's conscience is seared, it's easy to fall into delusion.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 01:47:29 PM » |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdelphopoiesisAdelphopoiesis, or adelphopoiia from the Greek ἀδελφοποίησις, derived from ἀδελφός (adelphos) "brother" and ποιέω (poieō) "I make", literally "brother-making" is a ceremony practiced at one time by various Christian churches to unite together two people of the same sex (normally men). Does anyone know if this ritual is still practiced by the orthodox church. There are revisionist historians who claim that this ritual is a form of homosexual marriage however it is clear to me that this ritual is NOT a form of homosexual marriage. This topic comes up from time to time. I've posted that Bosworth has had the rug pulled from under him, including by a woman who had the ceremony by a Syriac Orthodox cleric, where noone, including the three (the two women and the priest), thought of it as a gay marriage. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 01:51:27 PM » |
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The rite continues to exist in rural Albania, though no longer under the auspices of the Church. But since this was a secular rite that the Church adopted for a time, it's simply gone full-circle back to the people.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 01:54:45 PM » |
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The rite continues to exist in rural Albania, though no longer under the auspices of the Church. But since this was a secular rite that the Church adopted for a time, it's simply gone full-circle back to the people.
Somewhere our resident Baptist missionary to Albania mentioned something about that. |
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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
and both come out of your mouth
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 01:56:02 PM » |
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What is the point of the ceremony anyway?
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 02:31:29 PM » |
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What is the point of the ceremony anyway?
I imagine it's kind of like being "blood brothers." It's going beyond mere friendship to a high standard of loyalty and fraternity. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 02:36:27 PM » |
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Is it true that it also has to do with ending feuds?
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 02:37:35 PM » |
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In Albania it establishes the responsibility of one party to avenge the death of the other. The idea is that an enemy would be less likely to attack you if he knew that another man is going to kill him and his whole family for it.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 09:29:59 PM » |
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In Albania it establishes the responsibility of one party to avenge the death of the other. The idea is that an enemy would be less likely to attack you if he knew that another man is going to kill him and his whole family for it.
Do the Scots-Irish of Appalachia have a similar ceremony? |
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2012, 06:12:25 PM » |
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In Albania it establishes the responsibility of one party to avenge the death of the other. The idea is that an enemy would be less likely to attack you if he knew that another man is going to kill him and his whole family for it.
Do the Scots-Irish of Appalachia have a similar ceremony? THREAD RESURRECTION! As a Scots-Irishman of Appalachia, I have to say...kinda. It's usually an informal thing, there's no ceremony. But certainly two men can come to care for each other in such a way they refer to each other as mutual brothers. Often, this would include common attendance at family events and other things. We like adopting people into our families! As far as the rule of blood, it was an ancient Cherokee practice. If one person murders another, the offended clan is awarded the duty to kill the offender...or the offender's next-of-kin. |
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2012, 09:47:50 PM » |
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In Albania it establishes the responsibility of one party to avenge the death of the other. The idea is that an enemy would be less likely to attack you if he knew that another man is going to kill him and his whole family for it.
Do the Scots-Irish of Appalachia have a similar ceremony? THREAD RESURRECTION! As a Scots-Irishman of Appalachia, I have to say...kinda. It's usually an informal thing, there's no ceremony. But certainly two men can come to care for each other in such a way they refer to each other as mutual brothers. Often, this would include common attendance at family events and other things. We like adopting people into our families! Like a gang?  |
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2012, 10:00:39 PM » |
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In Albania it establishes the responsibility of one party to avenge the death of the other. The idea is that an enemy would be less likely to attack you if he knew that another man is going to kill him and his whole family for it.
Do the Scots-Irish of Appalachia have a similar ceremony? THREAD RESURRECTION! As a Scots-Irishman of Appalachia, I have to say...kinda. It's usually an informal thing, there's no ceremony. But certainly two men can come to care for each other in such a way they refer to each other as mutual brothers. Often, this would include common attendance at family events and other things. We like adopting people into our families! Like a gang? Unfortunately, that is probably more often true than we would usually like to admit. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2012, 10:58:24 AM » |
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A friend shared this on Facebook today, which reminded me of this thread (and the upteen others like it I have encountered across the Orthowebs): When a Medieval Knight Could Marry a Medieval Knight. It discusses Ukrainian practice, which I assume falls under the purview of this thread. |
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2012, 10:59:53 AM » |
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Double post.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2012, 12:04:04 AM » |
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A friend shared this on Facebook today, which reminded me of this thread (and the upteen others like it I have encountered across the Orthowebs): When a Medieval Knight Could Marry a Medieval Knight. It discusses Ukrainian practice, which I assume falls under the purview of this thread. It seems to be talking about adelphopoiesis, even mentioning that it made them spiritual brothers. Well, if so, why would you assume it permitted a sexual relationship? I think the author is largely ignorant of traditional Christianity, in which you can't even - for instance - marry a godparent's child because you are spiritual siblings; so why on earth would it make sense that people were entering into spiritual brotherhoods in order to engage in sex? The fact that the author admits many of these people were missionaries about to be sent to far-off places would also suggest that it was not a sexual thing, and in fact I would imagine missionaries were made brothers to KEEP THEM from having sex. |
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