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Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« on: December 13, 2010, 05:52:55 AM »
Not sure this is the right subforum, but one of my favorite films shows a piece of Eastern Orthodoxy, it starts at 8:53:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOrJxMMn-rw

Any idea where that last bit is? I know that Stone of the Anointing is in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem, but can't pinpoint where the last one is. It's not in the same church is it?
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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 06:19:13 AM »
Not sure this is the right subforum, but one of my favorite films shows a piece of Eastern Orthodoxy, it starts at 8:53:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOrJxMMn-rw

Any idea where that last bit is? I know that Stone of the Anointing is in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem, but can't pinpoint where the last one is. It's not in the same church is it?
Right after the Anointing Stone, I think it is the Latins going into the Edicule (the chapel containing the Life Giing Tomb). Then there is a Copt going down into the Chapel of the Invention (Discovery) of the Cross and then a Greek going up to the altar built over the site of Golgotha.. Yes, they are all in the Church of the Resurrect.
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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 06:32:32 AM »
Not sure this is the right subforum, but one of my favorite films shows a piece of Eastern Orthodoxy, it starts at 8:53:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOrJxMMn-rw

Any idea where that last bit is? I know that Stone of the Anointing is in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem, but can't pinpoint where the last one is. It's not in the same church is it?

It looks like its in the church of the Resurrection jesusalem ,Catholics have there own church next door with a door that leads into the [Holy Sepulcher] ....The Oriental Orthodox and the Greeks Orthodox have there own places of worship or Altars in the Resurrection Church or as the west calls it Church of the Holy Sepulcher....
ГОСПОДЕ ГОСПОДЕ ,ПОГЛЕДАЈ СА НЕБА ,ДОЂИ И ПОСЕТИ ТВОЈ ВИНОГРАД ТВОЈА ДЕСНИЦА ПОСАДИЛА АМИН АМИН.

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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 06:33:25 AM »
I would love to visit that Church on Holay Saturday to take witness to the Holy Fire. Appreicate the responses.
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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 06:52:31 AM »
I don't know how you can consider Baraka your favourite film, when its only message is that all religions across the world are equal and equally deep. Orthodoxy is presented side by side with New Guineans dancing around idols and Muslims at prayer, as if our religion is just one option among many.

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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 07:12:59 AM »
I don't know how you can consider Baraka your favourite film, when its only message is that all religions across the world are equal and equally deep. Orthodoxy is presented side by side with New Guineans dancing around idols and Muslims at prayer, as if our religion is just one option among many.

Baraka, the word, means "the essence of life". Baraka places humans in the context of wondrous creation showing the beauty, majesty and mystery of nature juxtaposed against its wild and destructive power. That's what I got from the film, I never viewed it as a message, or it's only message, was one where all religions were equal and as such equally deep.
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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 11:32:14 AM »
I don't know how you can consider Baraka your favourite film, when its only message is that all religions across the world are equal and equally deep. Orthodoxy is presented side by side with New Guineans dancing around idols and Muslims at prayer, as if our religion is just one option among many.

Baraka, the word, means "the essence of life". Baraka places humans in the context of wondrous creation showing the beauty, majesty and mystery of nature juxtaposed against its wild and destructive power. That's what I got from the film, I never viewed it as a message, or it's only message, was one where all religions were equal and as such equally deep.
Baraka is Arabic for "blessing," though it can degenerate to almost animism, people touching holy persons, relics, shrines etc. for "baraka." If done in Faith, that is one thing. Done like magic, it's another: Muslims will try to get qurban/antidoron, for instance, for its baraka, having no knowledge or belief in its connection to the Eucharist and Our Lord.
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth

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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 02:21:12 PM »
Baraka, the word, means "the essence of life". Baraka places humans in the context of wondrous creation showing the beauty, majesty and mystery of nature juxtaposed against its wild and destructive power.

The coverage of religion in the film does not involve nature, except when heathens are worshipping it. The juxtaposition of all those different rituals in the film state pretty unequivocally IMHO that the diversity of human spirituality is a good thing and we're supposed to respect them all. I cannot accept that relativism. The cinematography in the film is fine, but its message is deeply troubling.

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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 02:29:16 PM »
Baraka, the word, means "the essence of life". Baraka places humans in the context of wondrous creation showing the beauty, majesty and mystery of nature juxtaposed against its wild and destructive power.

The coverage of religion in the film does not involve nature, except when heathens are worshipping it. The juxtaposition of all those different rituals in the film state pretty unequivocally IMHO that the diversity of human spirituality is a good thing and we're supposed to respect them all. I cannot accept that relativism. The cinematography in the film is fine, but its message is deeply troubling.

I haven't seen the whole thing, but what I have seen would seem to fit inside this characterization. Perhaps fine for those who are not going to fall for this message, but dangerous for those who are unsuspecting.
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth

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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 05:47:15 PM »
What no protestants?
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Re: Orthodoxy in Baraka (film)
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2010, 02:55:32 AM »
I don't know how you can consider Baraka your favourite film, when its only message is that all religions across the world are equal and equally deep. Orthodoxy is presented side by side with New Guineans dancing around idols and Muslims at prayer, as if our religion is just one option among many.

Baraka, the word, means "the essence of life". Baraka places humans in the context of wondrous creation showing the beauty, majesty and mystery of nature juxtaposed against its wild and destructive power. That's what I got from the film, I never viewed it as a message, or it's only message, was one where all religions were equal and as such equally deep.
Baraka is Arabic for "blessing," though it can degenerate to almost animism, people touching holy persons, relics, shrines etc. for "baraka." If done in Faith, that is one thing. Done like magic, it's another: Muslims will try to get qurban/antidoron, for instance, for its baraka, having no knowledge or belief in its connection to the Eucharist and Our Lord.

In the Syriac Orthodox liturgy, the priest blesses the bread and wine by saying "BAREK ++ VU KADES"