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« on: December 10, 2010, 12:59:47 PM »

http://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/confessional/orthodox_relations/39506/

An attempt was made to take over the parish of the Resurrection of the Lord of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyivan Patriarchate (UOC-KP) of the village of Kamianka in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk Oblast, reads an official statement of the press service of the Kyivan Patriarchate.  A similar attack against a parish of the UOC-KP was registered on December 7 in the village of Rozdolne.

According to the document, rich businessmen from Donetsk together with representatives of the Moscow Patriarchate, including the senior priest of the Church of the Moscow Patriarchate in the settlement of Telmanove, attempted to hold an illegitimate "meeting of the residents of the village" in order to draw up documents and transfer the community of the Church of the Resurrection to the jurisdiction of the Moscow Patriarchate.

Edited for the policy - Michał Kalina.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2010, 01:03:11 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 01:11:09 PM »

Did not see anything....this whole situation in Ukraine seems to be getting worse, not better. The politics and religion are so intertwined there, it seems in general UOC-MP and the athiests seem to be backers of pro-russian relations and President Yanukovych and the UOC-KP, UAOC, and Ukrainian Greek Catholics seem to be more pro-west, anti-Russian supporters.

I fear that in the end this nation will be split by Civil War as Ukraine has a sizable population (46 million) and is a buffer state between Russia and the rest of Europe.

I can not see a positive outcome in the church situation as Moscow will never allow an independent Ukrainian church and it seems that the EP does not want to upset the MP by recognizing a Cannonical Independent Ukrainian Church.

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2010, 01:22:11 PM »

Did not see anything....this whole situation in Ukraine seems to be getting worse, not better. The politics and religion are so intertwined there, it seems in general UOC-MP and the athiests seem to be backers of pro-russian relations and President Yanukovych and the UOC-KP, UAOC, and Ukrainian Greek Catholics seem to be more pro-west, anti-Russian supporters.

That is hardly anything new.

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I fear that in the end this nation will be split by Civil War as Ukraine has a sizable population (46 million) and is a buffer state between Russia and the rest of Europe.

Doesn't have to be that way.

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I can not see a positive outcome in the church situation as Moscow will never allow an independent Ukrainian church and it seems that the EP does not want to upset the MP by recognizing a Cannonical Independent Ukrainian Church.
There isn't a canonical autocephalous (I take that is what you mean by independent) Ukrainian Church to recognize.

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2010, 03:10:22 PM »

http://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/confessional/orthodox_relations/39506/

An attempt was made to take over the parish of the Resurrection of the Lord of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyivan Patriarchate (UOC-KP) of the village of Kamianka in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk Oblast, reads an official statement of the press service of the Kyivan Patriarchate.  A similar attack against a parish of the UOC-KP was registered on December 7 in the village of Rozdolne.

According to the document, rich businessmen from Donetsk together with representatives of the Moscow Patriarchate, including the senior priest of the Church of the Moscow Patriarchate in the settlement of Telmanove, attempted to hold an illegitimate "meeting of the residents of the village" in order to draw up documents and transfer the community of the Church of the Resurrection to the jurisdiction of the Moscow Patriarchate.

Edited for the policy - Michał Kalina.

What is meant by an "illigimate meeting"?  I thought Ukraine had freedom of religion.  Who claimed the meeting was 'Illigamite"?

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2010, 03:53:15 PM »

Did not see anything....this whole situation in Ukraine seems to be getting worse, not better. The politics and religion are so intertwined there, it seems in general UOC-MP and the athiests seem to be backers of pro-russian relations and President Yanukovych and the UOC-KP, UAOC, and Ukrainian Greek Catholics seem to be more pro-west, anti-Russian supporters.

Just to clarify, Yanukovych is an adamant supporter of UOC-MP. As for atheists - no I doubt that many of them in Ukraine support UOC-MP. AFAIK, they are on the most part just laughing at all this thing, saying, "see - they, these idiot "Orthodox," are at each other's throats, what hypocrites..."

Inside UOC-MP, there seems to be a small group of clerics who are very strongly against the "Political Orthodoxy Kremlin-Style." They write in their blogs and live journals and on FB and on a number of Ukrainian Internet fora, focusing at a thorough criticism of patr. +KIRILL's idea (or, more accurately, the Kremlin's idea voiced by patr. +KIRILL) that Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarussians ought to be united in what is called "the Russian World" under the spiritual leadership of Moscow.

Essentially, everybody in Ukraine who has brains and dignity is very strongly against the "Russian World" and, generally, against ROC. Unfortunately, "everybody who has brains and dignity" do not constitute an overwhelming majority anywhere in the world, including Ukraine...

I can not see a positive outcome in the church situation as Moscow will never allow an independent Ukrainian church and it seems that the EP does not want to upset the MP by recognizing a Cannonical Independent Ukrainian Church.

Well, EP must get money from somewhere, and patr. +KIRILL is very willing to pay, having a complete green light from the Kremlin for this purpose. Russia has colossal oil and gas revenues, so they pay, and HAH exists... Certainly he would never upset those who make his mere life possible...
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