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Offline samkim

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What is going on in these vids?
« on: December 09, 2010, 05:50:18 PM »
I think these are Divine Liturgies? But the celebrants are facing the wrong direction?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-UCCz8FTRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ineW2gz70vs
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 10:39:43 PM »
It is an outdoors liturgy on the occasion of one of the patronal feasts of the Patriarchal cathedral in Bucharest-St. Dimitrie Basarabov, on Oct. 27th.
The Great Responses and "We praise you..." during which the consecration takes place.
Not knowing the geographical co-ordinates of the place, it is possible that the clergy are actually facing East.
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 02:56:14 PM »
I think it was a safety issue.
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2010, 03:05:52 PM »
I wonder If the videos are showing the liturgy Of St.James being served ,where the Clergy Face the People....... ???

I witnessed a liturgy like this when younger at the St.Sava Serbian Orthodox Church, a table is set up out side the ikonastasis Clergy Face the people.........
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2010, 07:46:15 PM »
No I think it's a normal liturgy. If I have my info correct, the patriarch faced liturgical west because it was outdoors and there were safety issues.
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2010, 07:52:36 PM »
No I think it's a normal liturgy. If I have my info correct, the patriarch faced liturgical west because it was outdoors and there were safety issues.

When His All Holiness, The Ecumenical Patriarch  Visited Chicago, and Held a Hierarchal Liturgy In Grant Park
He Had his Back towards the people..Unless this is a new security concern thats  being implemented.... ??? Or He's in love with the west.... ;D
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2010, 08:38:49 PM »
I think it was a safety issue.
What do you mean by "safety issue"?
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2010, 08:39:29 PM »
Like, assassins? I'm not sure myself.
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2010, 10:26:56 PM »
I wonder If the videos are showing the liturgy Of St.James being served ,where the Clergy Face the People....... ???

I witnessed a liturgy like this when younger at the St.Sava Serbian Orthodox Church, a table is set up out side the ikonastasis Clergy Face the people.........

That's odd. Here are some photos of the Liturgy of St. James being served in the Polish Orthodox Church:
- http://tinyurl.com/33h2or5
- http://tinyurl.com/373pudw
As you can see, there is no table outside the iconostasis and the celebrants are not facing the people.

And here are websites containing the text of this Liturgy:
- http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ephrem/lit-james.htm
- http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf07.xii.ii.html
- http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0717.htm
I can't find any instruction that would suggest a versus populum orientation of the priest.

Also, I believe that those OOs who use it as their principal Liturgy, serve it ad orientem.
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Re: What is going on in these vids?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2010, 10:35:54 PM »

From what i understand it could be served, Inside or outside the ikonastasis as the Serbs served it outside the ikonastasis......Thats a rare Liturgy Never seen it served again...


I wonder If the videos are showing the liturgy Of St.James being served ,where the Clergy Face the People....... ???

I witnessed a liturgy like this when younger at the St.Sava Serbian Orthodox Church, a table is set up out side the ikonastasis Clergy Face the people.........

That's odd. Here are some photos of the Liturgy of St. James being served in the Polish Orthodox Church:
- http://tinyurl.com/33h2or5
- http://tinyurl.com/373pudw
As you can see, there is no table outside the iconostasis and the celebrants are not facing the people.

And here are websites containing the text of this Liturgy:
- http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ephrem/lit-james.htm
- http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf07.xii.ii.html
- http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0717.htm
I can't find any instruction that would suggest a versus populum orientation of the priest.

Also, I believe that those OOs who use it as their principal Liturgy, serve it ad orientem.
ГОСПОДЕ ГОСПОДЕ ,ПОГЛЕДАЈ СА НЕБА ,ДОЂИ И ПОСЕТИ ТВОЈ ВИНОГРАД ТВОЈА ДЕСНИЦА ПОСАДИЛА АМИН АМИН.