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Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« on: December 09, 2010, 04:51:58 AM »
Hello, I was trying to figure out how many Catholic users (both Eastern and Western, in communion with Rome) we have frequenting these forums on a semi-regular basis. Also, I was hoping that you could indicate whether you are Eastern or Western Rite for future reference. Thanks!

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 12:59:40 PM »
cmon guys, don't be shy!

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 01:00:56 PM »
Roman Catholic, reporting for duty!
(Although it doesn't really make a difference, Eastern or Western Catholic, since I can receive communion in any of their churches)

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 01:11:26 PM »
Roman Catholic, though I try to make it to our local Ruthenian Catholic parish at least once a month for either Byzantine or Maronite Liturgy.
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 03:26:11 PM »
I am a Roman Catholic.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2010, 03:26:11 PM »
I, too, am a Roman Catholic. I've wanted to attend an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy for quite some time though.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2010, 06:35:03 PM »
Roman Catholic, reporting for duty!
(Although it doesn't really make a difference, Eastern or Western Catholic, since I can receive communion in any of their churches)

Yes, of course, I just want to get a feel for the balance between those who primarily practice eastern vs. western rite here.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2010, 03:35:27 AM »
As my profile indicates, I'm a Melkite Greek-Catholic, under the canonical jurisdiction of the Eparchy of Newton of the Melkites.

Many years,

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2010, 01:32:56 PM »
Another Vaticanist here:  Western by birth, Eastern by marriage. :)
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 12:30:40 AM »
Another Vaticanist here
I didn't know you that you live in Vatican City. Cool.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2010, 03:00:51 PM »
Latin Catholic here.

Not an ultramontanist!

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 04:24:09 PM »
I'm Eastern Catholic.
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2010, 05:01:39 PM »
I'm Eastern Catholic.
I was hoping that you would come and be counted.
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2010, 08:50:14 AM »
Roman Catholic. I attend a Ruthenian parish infrequently.
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2010, 04:44:40 PM »
You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2010, 05:38:08 PM »
I don't wanna derail the informal roll call, but I have some questions regarding all these different groupings. 

 What is a:

 Latin Catholic?
 Western Catholic?
 Eastern Catholic?
 Melkite Greek Catholic?
 Montanist?
 Ultramontanist?

If answering these questions will derail the topic OR cause considerable mental anguish, please point me to the answer... preferably a website.  Thanks!  :)

 
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2010, 05:59:46 PM »
I don't wanna derail the informal roll call, but I have some questions regarding all these different groupings. 

 What is a:

 Latin Catholic?
 Western Catholic?
 Eastern Catholic?
 Melkite Greek Catholic?
 Montanist?
 Ultramontanist?

If answering these questions will derail the topic OR cause considerable mental anguish, please point me to the answer... preferably a website.  Thanks!  :)

 

Generally (now days) ultramontanist would be some one who has an exaggerated view of the Papacy.
You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2010, 06:01:39 PM »
I don't wanna derail the informal roll call, but I have some questions regarding all these different groupings. 

 What is a:

 Latin Catholic?
 Western Catholic?
 Eastern Catholic?
 Melkite Greek Catholic?
 Montanist?
 Ultramontanist?

If answering these questions will derail the topic OR cause considerable mental anguish, please point me to the answer... preferably a website.  Thanks!  :)

 

Generally (now days) ultramontanist would be some one who has an exaggerated view of the Papacy.

In a negative or positive way? 
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2010, 06:05:13 PM »
I don't wanna derail the informal roll call, but I have some questions regarding all these different groupings. 

 What is a:

 Latin Catholic?
 Western Catholic?
 Eastern Catholic?
 Melkite Greek Catholic?
 Montanist?
 Ultramontanist?

If answering these questions will derail the topic OR cause considerable mental anguish, please point me to the answer... preferably a website.  Thanks!  :)

 

Generally (now days) ultramontanist would be some one who has an exaggerated view of the Papacy.

In a negative or positive way? 
In a negative way.
You are right. I apologize for having sacked Constantinople. I really need to stop doing that.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2010, 02:11:02 AM »
I don't wanna derail the informal roll call, but I have some questions regarding all these different groupings.  

 What is a:

 Latin Catholic?
 Western Catholic?
 Eastern Catholic?
 Melkite Greek Catholic?
 Montanist?
 Ultramontanist?

If answering these questions will derail the topic OR cause considerable mental anguish, please point me to the answer... preferably a website.  Thanks!  :)

Gabriel,

A Latin or Western Catholic (pretty much synonymous terms) is one who belongs to what most people perceive as 'the Catholic Church' or 'Roman Catholic'. They are Catholics who worship according to the Latin Rite (or one of its few variants). Prior to VII, they would have worshipped at Mass in Latin; subsequent to VII, most would have attended Mass served in the vernacular of their country; more recently, they might do either -depending on their locale and the availability of Mass served in Latin.

Montanist is a term not properly used in this context, at least historically. It is, I suppose, intended to define one as being supportive of the prerogatives of the papacy, but not carried to what some would consider extreme (yet would be viewed by others - Ultramontanists - as its proper and fullest expression). (The term, in its original usage, referred to the Montanist heresy, which was not about papal prerogatives.) Those who use it as I described above would be doing so to distinguish themselves from Ultramontanists - but to understand what it meant to any who so called himself, you'd have to inquire further, as it hasn't got as defined an understanding as Ultramontanist does.

Ultramontanists are generally thought of as those Catholics who zealously support, defend, and promote papal authority and supremacy over conciliarism.  (One could be an Eastern or Oriental Catholic - discussed below - and be an Ultramontanist, but they are more generally found among Latin Catholics.) I would agree with Papist that an Ultramontanist view of the papacy is a negative one, but I admit to being surprised that he perceives it as such - that would definitely be the Orthodox viewpoint and one found among at least some Eastern and Oriental Catholics (I'd say most, but I have no idea how one would quantify that, so I'll refrain from doing so).

Eastern Catholics is the collective term for those Catholics, in communion with Rome, who worship according to the Byzantine or Constantinoplian Rite. They belong - in all but one instance - to Churches sui iuris (of their own law) to which there is an Eastern Orthodox counterpart, as they entered communion with Rome from Eastern Orthodoxy at some point subsequent to the events of 1054 and thereafter.  There is a stickied thread here which delineates the 14 Eastern Catholic Churches (although it may be out-of-date on a few points, since I wrote it about 3 years back).

Not referenced above are Oriental Catholics. That is a collective term for those who belong to the any of the 8 Catholic Churches which have counterparts among the Oriental Orthodox Churches. They are also listed in that same sticky.
 
There are also 2 other non-Latin type Catholics - Maronite and Chaldean - which fit into neither the Eastern nor Oriental classification - the Maronites because there is no counterpart Church in Orthodoxy and the Chaldeans because they represent those who entered comunion with Rome from the Assyrian Church, which belongs to neither of the Orthodox Communions.

Melkite Greek-Catholics are members of the Church which was formed after splitting from the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch (whose faithful were then known as Melkite Orthodox and are now known as Antiochian Orthodox) back in 1724-25. They are one of the 14 Churches collectively termed as Eastern Catholic.

Help?

Many years,

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2010, 10:46:42 AM »
I don't wanna derail the informal roll call, but I have some questions regarding all these different groupings.  

 What is a:

 Latin Catholic?
 Western Catholic?
 Eastern Catholic?
 Melkite Greek Catholic?
 Montanist?
 Ultramontanist?

If answering these questions will derail the topic OR cause considerable mental anguish, please point me to the answer... preferably a website.  Thanks!  :)

Gabriel,

A Latin or Western Catholic (pretty much synonymous terms) is one who belongs to what most people perceive as 'the Catholic Church' or 'Roman Catholic'. They are Catholics who worship according to the Latin Rite (or one of its few variants). Prior to VII, they would have worshipped at Mass in Latin; subsequent to VII, most would have attended Mass served in the vernacular of their country; more recently, they might do either -depending on their locale and the availability of Mass served in Latin.

Montanist is a term not properly used in this context, at least historically. It is, I suppose, intended to define one as being supportive of the prerogatives of the papacy, but not carried to what some would consider extreme (yet would be viewed by others - Ultramontanists - as its proper and fullest expression). (The term, in its original usage, referred to the Montanist heresy, which was not about papal prerogatives.) Those who use it as I described above would be doing so to distinguish themselves from Ultramontanists - but to understand what it meant to any who so called himself, you'd have to inquire further, as it hasn't got as defined an understanding as Ultramontanist does.

Ultramontanists are generally thought of as those Catholics who zealously support, defend, and promote papal authority and supremacy over conciliarism.  (One could be an Eastern or Oriental Catholic - discussed below - and be an Ultramontanist, but they are more generally found among Latin Catholics.) I would agree with Papist that an Ultramontanist view of the papacy is a negative one, but I admit to being surprised that he perceives it as such - that would definitely be the Orthodox viewpoint and one found among at least some Eastern and Oriental Catholics (I'd say most, but I have no idea how one would quantify that, so I'll refrain from doing so).

Eastern Catholics is the collective term for those Catholics, in communion with Rome, who worship according to the Byzantine or Constantinoplian Rite. They belong - in all but one instance - to Churches sui iuris (of their own law) to which there is an Eastern Orthodox counterpart, as they entered communion with Rome from Eastern Orthodoxy at some point subsequent to the events of 1054 and thereafter.  There is a stickied thread here which delineates the 14 Eastern Catholic Churches (although it may be out-of-date on a few points, since I wrote it about 3 years back).

Not referenced above are Oriental Catholics. That is a collective term for those who belong to the any of the 8 Catholic Churches which have counterparts among the Oriental Orthodox Churches. They are also listed in that same sticky.
 
There are also 2 other non-Latin type Catholics - Maronite and Chaldean - which fit into neither the Eastern nor Oriental classification - the Maronites because there is no counterpart Church in Orthodoxy and the Chaldeans because they represent those who entered comunion with Rome from the Assyrian Church, which belongs to neither of the Orthodox Communions.

Melkite Greek-Catholics are members of the Church which was formed after splitting from the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch (whose faithful were then known as Melkite Orthodox and are now known as Antiochian Orthodox) back in 1724-25. They are one of the 14 Churches collectively termed as Eastern Catholic.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2010, 11:00:37 AM »
I would agree with Papist that an Ultramontanist view of the papacy is a negative one, but I admit to being surprised that he perceives it as such
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2010, 01:44:16 AM »
Roman Catholic, though I try to make it to our local Ruthenian Catholic parish at least once a month for either Byzantine or Maronite Liturgy.
I am in the same boat with Papist.

We both go to the same Roman Parish and the same Ruthenian Parish. I serve in the Maronite Rite (we have a priest who visits monthly to offer Qurbana for the Maronite faithful here). The last time I went to DL at the Ruthenian Parish I served as well.

I don't serve at my home parish, the Roman one. I am a Roman Catholic (although I was chrismated by a Melkite Priest - he has bi-ritual faculties. He had to choose to be Melkite or Roman when he was going to enter seminary - he chose Roman)
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2010, 01:54:09 AM »
I am a Roman Catholic of the western rite. I wish it was still the latin rite. Thankfully, however, there is a Church about a half hour drive from me that offers the latin mass each sunday, and the High Solemn Mass on the first and third sundays of the month, except during the summer.

I enjoy speaking to the Orthodox because of the enormous aesthetic appeal of their liturgy and art, because of my personal interest in the history of the Byzantine Empire, and because I am disputatious by nature and so are they!
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2010, 05:54:42 AM »
I am a Latin Rite Roman Catholic. I attend the Latin Mass since my parish offers it twice a week. I love the solemnity of it all. I also like the eastern liturgies as well e.g. Byzantine, Maronite. I once attended a Syriac Rite Catholic Mass and was very much impressed by the beauty.
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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2010, 08:31:27 AM »
Roman Catholic, although sometimes attend Ruthenian parishes.

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Re: Eastern and Western Catholic Roll Call
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2010, 07:00:54 PM »
Grace and Peace to all,

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