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« on: April 13, 2004, 12:36:31 AM »

My  saint  is  better  than  all you  alls
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2004, 12:42:48 AM »

Would that be the Martyred Nun and Royal Martyr Elizabeth? or St. Helena the finder of hte True Cross and mother of St. Constantine? or both? or someone else?

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2004, 12:50:49 AM »

Nope Mine  are  Elizabeth- John the  Baptist's Momma  and Helen - Constines Momma.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2004, 01:00:19 AM »

eh, I like the martyred nun Elizabeth better Wink

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2004, 01:06:41 AM »

Hey  me  too  We  have  a big  Icon  of  the Martyr Elizabeth  in our  Narthex.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2004, 12:20:31 AM »

cool beans.

I should clarify that I am overly biased towards the Royal Martyrs of Russia in particular and the New Martyrs in general.  I find them so very inspiring and tangible considering all of them have been martyred within the last 100 years.

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 11:52:05 PM »

There isn't a saint Lauren, so at my Chrismation, I chose the Theotokos.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2010, 01:52:53 AM »

Lauren is close enough to Lawrence that you could have taken him, but I won't quibble with your chose of the Theotokos as a patron.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2010, 07:24:45 AM »

There isn't a saint Lauren. . .

According to this source, there is one St Laura, twenty-five Sts Laurences, two Sts Laurentinuses, one St Laurian, three Lauruses and one St Lawrence, but indeed, no Lauren. Wink
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2010, 07:36:44 AM »

Laurent is a French variant of the male name Laurence. The female name Lauren is derived from Laurent, as well as being a variant of Laura. It is quite permissible in Greek tradition for a woman to be named after a male saint, so Lauren-Elisse could have taken as her patron saint one of the saints called Laurence, or St Laura.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2010, 09:05:24 AM »

That might depend on the jurisdiction and/or bishop.  I know that my last bishop was totally against females having male patron saints.  He said that with all the women saints there are in the Church, it should be possible to find one to make your (or your daughter's) patron saint.  I don't know how my current bishop feels about this--maybe I will ask him when he comes to visit our parish next month.  He usually gives us lots of opportunities to talk to him one on one, so maybe I will ask him.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2010, 09:56:19 AM »

Someone on here told me that you are not allowed to take the Theotokos as a patron.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2010, 10:09:58 AM »

But my saint has more complicated name than your saints have. St. Januarius, pray for us!
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2010, 10:24:32 AM »

Someone on here told me that you are not allowed to take the Theotokos as a patron.

This is true for Slavic tradition; it is quite OK in Greek tradition to have the Mother of God as one's patron.

That might depend on the jurisdiction and/or bishop.  I know that my last bishop was totally against females having male patron saints.  He said that with all the women saints there are in the Church, it should be possible to find one to make your (or your daughter's) patron saint.  I don't know how my current bishop feels about this--maybe I will ask him when he comes to visit our parish next month.  He usually gives us lots of opportunities to talk to him one on one, so maybe I will ask him.

I did mention, Katherine, in my post that Greek tradition allows for patron saints of the opposite sex to be chosen. According to Lauren-Elisse's profile, she is under the Greek church.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 12:07:16 PM »

Laurent is a French variant of the male name Laurence. The female name Lauren is derived from Laurent, as well as being a variant of Laura. It is quite permissible in Greek tradition for a woman to be named after a male saint, so Lauren-Elisse could have taken as her patron saint one of the saints called Laurence, or St Laura.
I believe, if I am not mistaken, that all of these are variants also of the name Lazarus, of whom there are a great many as well.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2010, 12:31:12 PM »

Someone on here told me that you are not allowed to take the Theotokos as a patron.

As already mentioned, definitely allowed in the various ancient patriarchates and the Church of Greece. In popular speech, the Theotokos is called the "Panagia" (All-Holy), and there are many women named Panagiota, and probably even more men named Panagiotis (or Panos, which is the diminutive).
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2010, 01:06:24 PM »

Someone on here told me that you are not allowed to take the Theotokos as a patron.

In addition to what others have said, there are many women who are named Maria and who celebrate any one of the Theotokos' feastdays - I know of a few who celebrate Sept 8 (her nativity), and a few who celebrate Mar 25 (including one whose name is an ancient Greek name for 'God's Flower' and celebrates Mar 25 - Panagia the "Unfading Rose"), in addition to the majority who celebrate Aug 15.
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2010, 01:26:46 PM »

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You're more right than you know. My patron saint, Justin Popovich, isn't even officially a saint yet! And he was my patron 8+ years ago. What's the hold up? Everything in Orthodoxy takes s o o o o   l o n g g g g!  angel I'm about to order an icon of him later today, though, so at least some progress has been made.
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2010, 06:48:47 PM »

I believe, if I am not mistaken, that all of these are variants also of the name Lazarus, of whom there are a great many as well.

No, this is not correct. Lazarus is the Greek form of the Hebrew name Eleazar.
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2010, 09:59:45 AM »

I believe, if I am not mistaken, that all of these are variants also of the name Lazarus, of whom there are a great many as well.

No, this is not correct. Lazarus is the Greek form of the Hebrew name Eleazar.
I see. In which case, the feminine French of Eleazar is Elisse--so that works anyway!
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2011, 09:34:21 PM »

My  saint  is  better  than  all you  alls

You're more right than you know. My patron saint, Justin Popovich, isn't even officially a saint yet! And he was my patron 8+ years ago. What's the hold up? Everything in Orthodoxy takes s o o o o   l o n g g g g!  angel I'm about to order an icon of him later today, though, so at least some progress has been made.

Asstricktosh, Justin Popovich was glorified not long after you made this post, congrats! Smiley
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