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Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« on: December 06, 2010, 10:25:53 AM »
Ahead of the release of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader next Thursday, Neeson [who voices Aslan in the movie] said: ‘Aslan symbolises a Christ-like figure but he also symbolises for me Mohammed, Buddha and all the great spiritual leaders and prophets over the centuries.

‘That’s who Aslan stands for as well as a mentor figure for kids – that’s what he means for me.’

Neeson, 58, who grew up in Ballymena, Northern Ireland, is a practising Roman Catholic and was named after his parish priest. His actress wife Natasha Richardson died in a skiing accident in March last year.

Two years ago, he teamed up with an order of American Catholic priests to bring out a CD of spiritual meditations for Lent.
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William Oddie, a fomer editor of The Catholic Herald and a lifelong fan of the Chronicles of Narnia, accused Neeson of ‘a betrayal of Lewis’s intention and a shameful distortion’.

He said: ‘Aslan is clearly established from the very beginning of the whole cannon as being a Christ figure. I can’t believe that Liam Neeson is so stupid as not to know.’
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2010, 10:46:55 AM »
Ahead of the release of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader next Thursday, Neeson [who voices Aslan in the movie] said: ‘Aslan symbolises a Christ-like figure but he also symbolises for me Mohammed
The name must have thrown him;it's Turkish for "lion."

I actually never cared too much for Narnia, precisely because the symbolism was too stiffling obvious (as opposed to the Lord of the Rings).
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 11:04:36 AM »
Ahead of the release of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader next Thursday, Neeson [who voices Aslan in the movie] said: ‘Aslan symbolises a Christ-like figure but he also symbolises for me Mohammed, Buddha and all the great spiritual leaders and prophets over the centuries.

‘That’s who Aslan stands for as well as a mentor figure for kids – that’s what he means for me.’

Neeson, 58, who grew up in Ballymena, Northern Ireland, is a practising Roman Catholic and was named after his parish priest. His actress wife Natasha Richardson died in a skiing accident in March last year.

Two years ago, he teamed up with an order of American Catholic priests to bring out a CD of spiritual meditations for Lent.
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William Oddie, a fomer editor of The Catholic Herald and a lifelong fan of the Chronicles of Narnia, accused Neeson of ‘a betrayal of Lewis’s intention and a shameful distortion’.

He said: ‘Aslan is clearly established from the very beginning of the whole cannon as being a Christ figure. I can’t believe that Liam Neeson is so stupid as not to know.’

I can't believe William Oddie is so dense as to not realize that Liam Neeson DID recognize Aslan as a Christ figure, that Mr. Neeson merely recognized Aslan as representing more than just Christ. ::)
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2010, 11:20:06 AM »
Ahead of the release of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader next Thursday, Neeson [who voices Aslan in the movie] said: ‘Aslan symbolises a Christ-like figure but he also symbolises for me Mohammed, Buddha and all the great spiritual leaders and prophets over the centuries.

‘That’s who Aslan stands for as well as a mentor figure for kids – that’s what he means for me.’

Neeson, 58, who grew up in Ballymena, Northern Ireland, is a practising Roman Catholic and was named after his parish priest. His actress wife Natasha Richardson died in a skiing accident in March last year.

Two years ago, he teamed up with an order of American Catholic priests to bring out a CD of spiritual meditations for Lent.
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William Oddie, a fomer editor of The Catholic Herald and a lifelong fan of the Chronicles of Narnia, accused Neeson of ‘a betrayal of Lewis’s intention and a shameful distortion’.

He said: ‘Aslan is clearly established from the very beginning of the whole cannon as being a Christ figure. I can’t believe that Liam Neeson is so stupid as not to know.’

I can't believe William Oddie is so dense as to not realize that Liam Neeson DID recognize Aslan as a Christ figure, that Mr. Neeson merely recognized Aslan as representing more than just Christ. ::)

And I can't believe William Oddie or anyone would be "in fury" over Neeson's comment about a talking Lion! :D

Some people will just find ANYTHING to complain about simply because they are most happy when they are complaining and hunting for some "heresy" that isn't there. All Neeson was doing was trying to show that Narnia can appeal to people of faiths other than Christian. No big deal. I mean, isn't that the whole reason Lewis wrote the darn books to begin with? To appeal to a broader audience? I think Mr. Oddie misses the point entirely.

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2010, 11:23:57 AM »
Ahead of the release of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader next Thursday, Neeson [who voices Aslan in the movie] said: ‘Aslan symbolises a Christ-like figure but he also symbolises for me Mohammed
The name must have thrown him;it's Turkish for "lion."

I actually never cared too much for Narnia, precisely because the symbolism was too stiffling obvious (as opposed to the Lord of the Rings).

I used to like Narnia better, but over the years have withdrawn a bit from it and am now a LOTR guy. Plus there is a lot more grey in LOTR/Tolkien, as opposed to straight up black and white as in Narnia. Remember though, 50 years ago, a lot of these uber Lewis/Tolkien Christian fans were claiming these books were of the devil and Satanic, kind of like they do with Harry Potter today. (though I hate to use Harry Potter in the same post as even discussing Tolkien or Lewis...LOL!

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 11:24:38 AM »
ZOMG Liam Neeson has expressed what he clearly says is his own opinion!  Damn that man for his cheek, damn him to hell!   :laugh:
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2010, 01:04:27 PM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian, and obviously did not believe in the other world religions. I wonder if Mr. Neesom has read anything else written by C.S. Lewis besides the Chronicles of Narnia. I have a suggestion for him:

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 01:12:43 PM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian....
So, are you saying that, say, a Hindu should not interpret Aslan for him or herself, in a Hindu-oriented way?
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 01:14:52 PM »
I can't believe that people in Hollywood aren't devout Christians!

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 01:16:05 PM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian....
So, are you saying that, say, a Hindu should not interpret Aslan for him or herself, in a Hindu-oriented way?
Yes, because C.S. did not create Alsan as a type of some hindu god. He created Alsan as a type of Christ. When we force our own interpretations on a text, rather than allowing the text to be what it is, we commit literary rape.
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 01:16:19 PM »
I can't believe that people in Hollywood aren't devout Christians!


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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 01:17:02 PM »
For those that say Narnia is an obvious allegory, there is a quote from C.S. Lewis, in which he was answering (I think in an interview) a question about how overtly Christian Narnia is. He claimed that he did not intend to write a Christocentric story, just a story for children, but that when one knows that Truth, it is expressed in everything he or she does. I can't find the exact quote, but I know it's out there. I'll post it if I do happen to find it.

It's also worth saying that Lewis consulted Tolkien often as he wrote Narnia. I believe Lewis was also privvy to Tolkien's writing of LOTR.
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 01:19:11 PM »
For those that say Narnia is an obvious allegory, there is a quote from C.S. Lewis, in which he was answering (I think in an interview) a question about how overtly Christian Narnia is. He claimed that he did not intend to write a Christocentric story, just a story for children, but that when one knows that Truth, it is expressed in everything he or she does. I can't find the exact quote, but I know it's out there. I'll post it if I do happen to find it.

It's also worth saying that Lewis consulted Tolkien often as he wrote Narnia. I believe Lewis was also privvy to Tolkien's writing of LOTR.

Actually, that sounds alot like what Tolkein said about Lord of the Rings.

BTW, Tolkien was actually very critical of the Chronicles of Narnia for being so overt in their allegories.
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 01:35:39 PM »
I can't believe that people in Hollywood aren't devout Christians!


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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 01:36:57 PM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian....
So, are you saying that, say, a Hindu should not interpret Aslan for him or herself, in a Hindu-oriented way?
Yes, because C.S. did not create Alsan as a type of some hindu god. He created Alsan as a type of Christ. When we force our own interpretations on a text, rather than allowing the text to be what it is, we commit literary rape.

But Neeson is not "forcing" any interpretation, but answering a simple question about what Aslan is to him.  It would be "literary rape" (seriously, drama queen much?) if Neeson was advocating that it was Lewis' intention was to portray all the great religious figures as Aslan, but Neeson clearly says that "for him" Aslan is more than just a type of Christ.  It's neither stupid or some act of violence on the text for him to think so.  

If this is what people are getting upset about, they need to grow up and look around at some real issues other than a Hollywood actor's opinion on a character he is playing in films that are not all that good to begin with.
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2010, 01:41:33 PM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian....
So, are you saying that, say, a Hindu should not interpret Aslan for him or herself, in a Hindu-oriented way?
Yes, because C.S. did not create Alsan as a type of some hindu god. He created Alsan as a type of Christ. When we force our own interpretations on a text, rather than allowing the text to be what it is, we commit literary rape.

But Neeson is not "forcing" any interpretation, but answering a simple question about what Aslan is to him.  It would be "literary rape" (seriously, drama queen much?) if Neeson was advocating that it was Lewis' intention was to portray all the great religious figures as Aslan, but Neeson clearly says that "for him" Aslan is more than just a type of Christ.  It's neither stupid or some act of violence on the text for him to think so.  

If this is what people are getting upset about, they need to grow up and look around at some real issues other than a Hollywood actor's opinion on a character he is playing in films that are not all that good to begin with.
But no one cares who Aslan is "to him" or "to you" or "to me". Who is Alsan really? That is the important question when approaching a text. I think that relativism used in literary interpretation get's us nowhere, and doesn't help us to understand what the text is actually saying at all. People who think that they are so important that they need to force their own iterpretation on a text really need to grow up out their self-absorbed little world. Trust me, when I took the  AP exam for english, I was not required to write an essay in repsonse to the following question: "Who is Hamlet to you?"
BTW, should I be surprised that someone in Holywood is self-absorbed? Lol
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2010, 01:50:33 PM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian....
So, are you saying that, say, a Hindu should not interpret Aslan for him or herself, in a Hindu-oriented way?
Yes, because C.S. did not create Alsan as a type of some hindu god. He created Alsan as a type of Christ. When we force our own interpretations on a text, rather than allowing the text to be what it is, we commit literary rape.

But Neeson is not "forcing" any interpretation, but answering a simple question about what Aslan is to him.  It would be "literary rape" (seriously, drama queen much?) if Neeson was advocating that it was Lewis' intention was to portray all the great religious figures as Aslan, but Neeson clearly says that "for him" Aslan is more than just a type of Christ.  It's neither stupid or some act of violence on the text for him to think so.  

If this is what people are getting upset about, they need to grow up and look around at some real issues other than a Hollywood actor's opinion on a character he is playing in films that are not all that good to begin with.
But no one cares who Aslan is "to him" or "to you" or "to me". Who is Alsan really? That is the important question when approaching a text. I think that relativism used in literary interpretation get's us nowhere, and doesn't help us to understand what the text is actually saying at all. People who think that they are so important that they need to force their own iterpretation on a text really need to grow up out their self-absorbed little world. Trust me, when I took the  AP exam for english, I was not required to write an essay in repsonse to the following question: "Who is Hamlet to you?"
BTW, should I be surprise that someone in Holywood is self-absorbed? Lol

If no one cares what Liam Neeson has to say about a character he's playing, why are you (and others) getting your knickers in a twist?  By your own admission, he's just an actor.  As such, how he approaches playing a character is his own business, not yours or anyone else's.  And, as an actor, he's often asked how he approaches a role which is probably what happened here (although I don't know for sure).

Again, if his opinion doesn't matter, why all the fuss?  This is exactly like those idiots over on facebook who are trumpeting in a self-aggrandizing and pretentious manner that, shock of shocks, changing your profile pic to a cartoon character for a week REALLY doesn't help stop child abuse! 

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2010, 01:55:36 PM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian....
So, are you saying that, say, a Hindu should not interpret Aslan for him or herself, in a Hindu-oriented way?
Yes, because C.S. did not create Alsan as a type of some hindu god. He created Alsan as a type of Christ. When we force our own interpretations on a text, rather than allowing the text to be what it is, we commit literary rape.

But Neeson is not "forcing" any interpretation, but answering a simple question about what Aslan is to him.  It would be "literary rape" (seriously, drama queen much?) if Neeson was advocating that it was Lewis' intention was to portray all the great religious figures as Aslan, but Neeson clearly says that "for him" Aslan is more than just a type of Christ.  It's neither stupid or some act of violence on the text for him to think so.  

If this is what people are getting upset about, they need to grow up and look around at some real issues other than a Hollywood actor's opinion on a character he is playing in films that are not all that good to begin with.
But no one cares who Aslan is "to him" or "to you" or "to me". Who is Alsan really? That is the important question when approaching a text. I think that relativism used in literary interpretation get's us nowhere, and doesn't help us to understand what the text is actually saying at all. People who think that they are so important that they need to force their own iterpretation on a text really need to grow up out their self-absorbed little world. Trust me, when I took the  AP exam for english, I was not required to write an essay in repsonse to the following question: "Who is Hamlet to you?"
BTW, should I be surprise that someone in Holywood is self-absorbed? Lol

If no one cares what Liam Neeson has to say about a character he's playing, why are you (and others) getting your knickers in a twist?  By your own admission, he's just an actor.  As such, how he approaches playing a character is his own business, not yours or anyone else's.  And, as an actor, he's often asked how he approaches a role which is probably what happened here (although I don't know for sure).

Again, if his opinion doesn't matter, why all the fuss?  This is exactly like those idiots over on facebook who are trumpeting in a self-aggrandizing and pretentious manner that, shock of shocks, changing your profile pic to a cartoon character for a week REALLY doesn't help stop child abuse! 


I am responding to a general cultural-trend amongst all of us to think that we are more important than objective reality, not because I particularly care about Liam Neeson's view.
As for the facebook phenomena, yes, it's the same cultural problem. We think think that one meaningless acts in our subjective litttle world, amounts to a hill of beans. If we really wanted to help stop child abuse we would take actions that have an objective effect on reality.

P.S. I changed my profile pic to a cartoon just because it's awesome to do so.  :D
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2010, 02:14:43 PM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian....
So, are you saying that, say, a Hindu should not interpret Aslan for him or herself, in a Hindu-oriented way?
Yes, because C.S. did not create Alsan as a type of some hindu god. He created Alsan as a type of Christ. When we force our own interpretations on a text, rather than allowing the text to be what it is, we commit literary rape.

But Neeson is not "forcing" any interpretation, but answering a simple question about what Aslan is to him.  It would be "literary rape" (seriously, drama queen much?) if Neeson was advocating that it was Lewis' intention was to portray all the great religious figures as Aslan, but Neeson clearly says that "for him" Aslan is more than just a type of Christ.  It's neither stupid or some act of violence on the text for him to think so.  

If this is what people are getting upset about, they need to grow up and look around at some real issues other than a Hollywood actor's opinion on a character he is playing in films that are not all that good to begin with.
But no one cares who Aslan is "to him" or "to you" or "to me". Who is Alsan really? That is the important question when approaching a text. I think that relativism used in literary interpretation get's us nowhere, and doesn't help us to understand what the text is actually saying at all. People who think that they are so important that they need to force their own iterpretation on a text really need to grow up out their self-absorbed little world. Trust me, when I took the  AP exam for english, I was not required to write an essay in repsonse to the following question: "Who is Hamlet to you?"
BTW, should I be surprise that someone in Holywood is self-absorbed? Lol

If no one cares what Liam Neeson has to say about a character he's playing, why are you (and others) getting your knickers in a twist?  By your own admission, he's just an actor.  As such, how he approaches playing a character is his own business, not yours or anyone else's.  And, as an actor, he's often asked how he approaches a role which is probably what happened here (although I don't know for sure).

Again, if his opinion doesn't matter, why all the fuss?  This is exactly like those idiots over on facebook who are trumpeting in a self-aggrandizing and pretentious manner that, shock of shocks, changing your profile pic to a cartoon character for a week REALLY doesn't help stop child abuse! 


I am responding to a general cultural-trend amongst all of us to think that we are more important than objective reality, not because I particularly care about Liam Neeson's view.
As for the facebook phenomena, yes, it's the same cultural problem. We think think that one meaningless acts in our subjective litttle world, amounts to a hill of beans. If we really wanted to help stop child abuse we would take actions that have an objective effect on reality.

P.S. I changed my profile pic to a cartoon just because it's awesome to do so.  :D

Me, too. I seriously doubt anyone other than a few American hausfraus who play Farmville relentlessly actually thought such an action helped stop child abuse!
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
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The actor, 59, admitted Islamic prayer "got into his spirit" while filming in Turkish city Istanbul.
 
He said: "The Call to Prayer happens five times a day and for the first week it drives you crazy, and then it just gets into your spirit and it's the most beautiful, beautiful thing.
 
"There are 4,000 mosques in the city. Some are just stunning and it really makes me think about becoming a Muslim."

...and, no, Neeson is not becoming Muslim. ::)
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 01:02:25 PM »
Ahead of the release of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader next Thursday, Neeson [who voices Aslan in the movie] said: ‘Aslan symbolises a Christ-like figure but he also symbolises for me Mohammed, Buddha and all the great spiritual leaders and prophets over the centuries.

‘That’s who Aslan stands for as well as a mentor figure for kids – that’s what he means for me.’

Neeson, 58, who grew up in Ballymena, Northern Ireland, is a practising Roman Catholic and was named after his parish priest. His actress wife Natasha Richardson died in a skiing accident in March last year.

Two years ago, he teamed up with an order of American Catholic priests to bring out a CD of spiritual meditations for Lent.
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William Oddie, a fomer editor of The Catholic Herald and a lifelong fan of the Chronicles of Narnia, accused Neeson of ‘a betrayal of Lewis’s intention and a shameful distortion’.

He said: ‘Aslan is clearly established from the very beginning of the whole cannon as being a Christ figure. I can’t believe that Liam Neeson is so stupid as not to know.’


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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2012, 02:05:19 PM »
  First, except for that Kinsey movie, I'm kind of a fan of Mr. Neeson's.  He's not that great of an actor, but he is a good actor for sure.  And though I'm not at all upset about Mr. Neeson's opinion, since we're talking about it I thought I'd add my .02 to this very important discussion.  :D  If Mr. Lewis did indeed intend for Aslan to be a Christ-like character, it does seem a bit odd that said character would remind you of other religious figures.  I don't know that I'd call it "literary rape" (that phrase makes me laugh, btw) but if a Christ-like character reminds you of Muhammad or the Buddha, it just shows that you don't know much about all three.  I certainly don't think it worth getting me knickers in a twist (those things are hell to iron out), though.  Furthermore,  Mr. Neeson supposedly says after hanging out in Turkey for a while that he felt like becoming a Muslim after weeks of hearing the adhan (call to prayer) and admiring mosque architecture (no doubt of which a few were probably churches.  He was filming in Constantinople after all...Am I right, peeps?)  This tells me that he might be a bit wishy-washy and/or easily swayed.  Anyway, maybe a little odd, but nothing to get wigged out about.   
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2012, 03:10:21 PM »
  First, except for that Kinsey movie, I'm kind of a fan of Mr. Neeson's.  He's not that great of an actor, but he is a good actor for sure.  And though I'm not at all upset about Mr. Neeson's opinion, since we're talking about it I thought I'd add my .02 to this very important discussion.  :D  If Mr. Lewis did indeed intend for Aslan to be a Christ-like character, it does seem a bit odd that said character would remind you of other religious figures.  I don't know that I'd call it "literary rape" (that phrase makes me laugh, btw) but if a Christ-like character reminds you of Muhammad or the Buddha, it just shows that you don't know much about all three.  I certainly don't think it worth getting me knickers in a twist (those things are hell to iron out), though.  Furthermore,  Mr. Neeson supposedly says after hanging out in Turkey for a while that he felt like becoming a Muslim after weeks of hearing the adhan (call to prayer) and admiring mosque architecture (no doubt of which a few were probably churches.  He was filming in Constantinople after all...Am I right, peeps?)  This tells me that he might be a bit wishy-washy and/or easily swayed.  Anyway, maybe a little odd, but nothing to get wigged out about.   

I agree. As to the why of this tempest in a teapot, I think it goes to a desire to be liked by everyone--certainly a primary cause of wishy-washiness. In the end, it makes Mr Neeson a pretentious fool.

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2012, 03:19:53 PM »
...if a Christ-like character reminds you of Muhammad or the Buddha, it just shows that you don't know much about all three.
When the Buddha speaks about loving one's enemies, that certainly reminds me of Christ (and vice versa). ::)
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 03:22:26 PM »
Me, too. I seriously doubt anyone other than a few American hausfraus who play Farmville relentlessly actually thought such an action helped stop child abuse!

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2012, 01:04:10 AM »
because the symbolism was too stiffling obvious

You have to keep in mind that it was written for children whereas LOTR was written for the pretty heavy, adult readers. CS Lewis did in fact write more mature fiction aimed toward adults and heavier readers. The ironic thing is, many people see Tolkien as the greatest fiction writer of all time with CS Lewis as being the guy who knocked him off, when, in reality, it is actually the other way around. CS Lewis taught Tolkien how to write fiction more affectively and in return, Tolkien taught Lewis how to be a better essayist. The Chronicles of Narnia was toned down for children.
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2012, 01:43:40 AM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian, and obviously did not believe in the other world religions. I wonder if Mr. Neesom has read anything else written by C.S. Lewis besides the Chronicles of Narnia. I have a suggestion for him:



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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2012, 01:48:03 AM »
What a stupid thing for Liam Neeson to say, when C.S. Lewis was obviously a devout Christian....
So, are you saying that, say, a Hindu should not interpret Aslan for him or herself, in a Hindu-oriented way?
Yes, because C.S. did not create Alsan as a type of some hindu god. He created Alsan as a type of Christ. When we force our own interpretations on a text, rather than allowing the text to be what it is, we commit literary rape.

But Neeson is not "forcing" any interpretation, but answering a simple question about what Aslan is to him.  It would be "literary rape" (seriously, drama queen much?) if Neeson was advocating that it was Lewis' intention was to portray all the great religious figures as Aslan, but Neeson clearly says that "for him" Aslan is more than just a type of Christ.  It's neither stupid or some act of violence on the text for him to think so.  

If this is what people are getting upset about, they need to grow up and look around at some real issues other than a Hollywood actor's opinion on a character he is playing in films that are not all that good to begin with.
But no one cares who Aslan is "to him" or "to you" or "to me". Who is Alsan really? That is the important question when approaching a text. I think that relativism used in literary interpretation get's us nowhere, and doesn't help us to understand what the text is actually saying at all. People who think that they are so important that they need to force their own iterpretation on a text really need to grow up out their self-absorbed little world. Trust me, when I took the  AP exam for english, I was not required to write an essay in repsonse to the following question: "Who is Hamlet to you?"
BTW, should I be surprise that someone in Holywood is self-absorbed? Lol

If no one cares what Liam Neeson has to say about a character he's playing, why are you (and others) getting your knickers in a twist?  By your own admission, he's just an actor.  As such, how he approaches playing a character is his own business, not yours or anyone else's.  And, as an actor, he's often asked how he approaches a role which is probably what happened here (although I don't know for sure).

Again, if his opinion doesn't matter, why all the fuss?  This is exactly like those idiots over on facebook who are trumpeting in a self-aggrandizing and pretentious manner that, shock of shocks, changing your profile pic to a cartoon character for a week REALLY doesn't help stop child abuse! 


I am responding to a general cultural-trend amongst all of us to think that we are more important than objective reality,

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2012, 02:26:48 AM »
Unless the movie has Aslan roaring the adhan, I don't see why anyone cares about this. Did people get so mad when Madonna decided she was a British Kabbalist a few years ago? Everyone has some dumb opinion about something. The only reason this is even a news story is that for some reason people want to know what actors think, or at least actors apparently like to think so. Let's prove them wrong and stop this kind of silly "outrage" against an opinion. There are more than enough things to really be outraged involving the treatment of Christians and Christianity in the world that don't involve some silly offhand comment by an actor voicing a talking lion in a movie I bet most of us aren't even going to see.

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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2012, 03:26:37 AM »
Who cares? Chronicles of Narnia is a terrible series written by a terrible fiction wrtier. His apologtics are for people who can't comprehend Chesterton and can be easily refuted by the most sophmoric of arguments.
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2012, 09:16:16 AM »
The things people get angry about these days  ::)
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2012, 03:29:07 PM »
It's funny, I'm pretty sure Lewis was Anglican and meant the Narnia series to have Christian metaphors, but there are better things to get worried about. I don't exactly wait around for Mr. Neeson to tell me what to do.  ;)
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2012, 03:33:39 PM »
His apologtics are for people who can't comprehend Chesterton and can be easily refuted by the most sophmoric of arguments.

In a sense I agree with you yet I also disagree with you. Most of Lewis' arguments, although watered down, are actually valid in themselves and would be more affective if we thought them through ourselves or read about them more indepth, such as Chesterton, as you said. However, the way Lewis presents them is usually really simplified and watered-down for the average reader. His most indepth apologetic works are actually his lesser known essays which did not receive as much mainstream attention.
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2012, 03:35:10 PM »
I did like the Narnia series. Believe it or not, I must be one of the few people who have never read Lewis' Christian works. We did read a few excerpts from him in college, but other than that, nothing. One day, maybe I'll get around to it.
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Re: Narnia fans' in fury after Liam Neeson claim about Aslan
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2012, 04:51:41 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I can't believe that people in Hollywood aren't devout Christians!

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Neeson, 58, who grew up in Ballymena, Northern Ireland, is a practicing Roman Catholic and was named after his parish priest. His actress wife Natasha Richardson died in a skiing accident in March last year.

Two years ago, he teamed up with an order of American Catholic priests to bring out a CD of spiritual meditations for Lent.

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