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« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2011, 04:43:52 PM » |
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Helo everyone
I'm in need of some help if possible, this is my story:
My Partner and I are having our first child and we are having problems with regards into which religion we will raise them as.
Now the problem is I'm Serbian Orthodox and my Partner is a Catholic. The problem is my wife is a devout Catholic who is quite pious (goes to church every week and makes me come with her to her church), and myself on the other hand, whilst I do believe in God and call my self Christian I guess I'm not as pious as she is. Anyways, As I'm sure some of you might know, my parents equate being Serbian with Being Orthodox and are pressuring me to baptize the child as such (according to them if I were to baptize the child catholic they would consider her Croatian >.<, (My child is half Serbian from my side, and a quarter English a quarter Shri'lankan from my wife's side). My wife on the other hand is also pressuring me to baptize the child Catholic. Now I do not mind either way really as both would be baptism's and in devotion to God, but I'm quite stuck with my parents pressing me and being quite suggestive that if I don't baptize the child Orthodox they might as well disown me...quite literally not be in our life anymore at all.
We still haven't had a proper talk with them yet since the child is due in four months, I seriously do not know what do do anymore and its eating me inside because I do not want my parents to disassociate with me, and on the other hand I do not want my wife to bear a life of hurt because I denied her the one thing that makes her who she is...she is after all carrying the child and is going through all the pains herself. In any case I have a difficult decision ahead of me and I was wondering weather some kind person has had a similar experience before and could offer advice.
Cheers
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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2011, 04:52:46 PM » |
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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2011, 06:45:47 PM » |
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Helo everyone
I'm in need of some help if possible, this is my story:
My Partner and I are having our first child and we are having problems with regards into which religion we will raise them as.
Now the problem is I'm Serbian Orthodox and my Partner is a Catholic. The problem is my wife is a devout Catholic who is quite pious (goes to church every week and makes me come with her to her church), and myself on the other hand, whilst I do believe in God and call my self Christian I guess I'm not as pious as she is. Anyways, As I'm sure some of you might know, my parents equate being Serbian with Being Orthodox and are pressuring me to baptize the child as such (according to them if I were to baptize the child catholic they would consider her Croatian >.<, (My child is half Serbian from my side, and a quarter English a quarter Shri'lankan from my wife's side). My wife on the other hand is also pressuring me to baptize the child Catholic. Now I do not mind either way really as both would be baptism's and in devotion to God, but I'm quite stuck with my parents pressing me and being quite suggestive that if I don't baptize the child Orthodox they might as well disown me...quite literally not be in our life anymore at all.
We still haven't had a proper talk with them yet since the child is due in four months, I seriously do not know what do do anymore and its eating me inside because I do not want my parents to disassociate with me, and on the other hand I do not want my wife to bear a life of hurt because I denied her the one thing that makes her who she is...she is after all carrying the child and is going through all the pains herself. In any case I have a difficult decision ahead of me and I was wondering weather some kind person has had a similar experience before and could offer advice.
Cheers
Open your bible. The woman will submit herself to her husband as a man submits himself to God. She should obey you. Period. I know that sounds harsh, but she is commanded to. LOL! |
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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2011, 03:09:06 PM » |
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Classic bibliolatry.
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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2011, 07:36:13 PM » |
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^^ What you three don't agree with the idea or how it was stated?
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« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2011, 01:33:41 AM » |
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^^ What you three don't agree with the idea or how it was stated?
I disagree with how it was stated and his version of the idea. But I especially disagree with the idea that the biblical injunction for wives to submit to their husbands includes renouncing one's religion. By that logic, we should permit the husbands of women who become Orthodox to force their wives back into their previous faith. |
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« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2011, 01:52:59 PM » |
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^^ What you three don't agree with the idea or how it was stated?
I disagree with how it was stated and his version of the idea. But I especially disagree with the idea that the biblical injunction for wives to submit to their husbands includes renouncing one's religion. By that logic, we should permit the husbands of women who become Orthodox to force their wives back into their previous faith. If a woman is willing to marry a man shouldn't she be willing to take his religion? Otherwise how can two truly be one? Per your example I would hope an Orthodox woman wouldn't be looking for a husband in non-orthodox men. Yes many Orthodox marry non-orthodox but I think this should be avoided; it's in no way ideal. There is always hope they'll convert but then you're marrying someone you hope they'll be, not who they actually are. |
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« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2011, 02:30:11 PM » |
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^^ What you three don't agree with the idea or how it was stated?
I disagree with how it was stated and his version of the idea. But I especially disagree with the idea that the biblical injunction for wives to submit to their husbands includes renouncing one's religion. By that logic, we should permit the husbands of women who become Orthodox to force their wives back into their previous faith. If a woman is willing to marry a man shouldn't she be willing to take his religion? Otherwise how can two truly be one? Per your example I would hope an Orthodox woman wouldn't be looking for a husband in non-orthodox men. Yes many Orthodox marry non-orthodox but I think this should be avoided; it's in no way ideal. There is always hope they'll convert but then you're marrying someone you hope they'll be, not who they actually are. Sometimes women convert to Orthodoxy after they get married, but the spouse remains part of her former religion. It would be horrible to tell those women they should "submit" to their husband in matters of faith. |
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« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2011, 02:44:37 PM » |
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^^ What you three don't agree with the idea or how it was stated?
I disagree with how it was stated and his version of the idea. But I especially disagree with the idea that the biblical injunction for wives to submit to their husbands includes renouncing one's religion. By that logic, we should permit the husbands of women who become Orthodox to force their wives back into their previous faith. If a woman is willing to marry a man shouldn't she be willing to take his religion? Otherwise how can two truly be one? Per your example I would hope an Orthodox woman wouldn't be looking for a husband in non-orthodox men. Yes many Orthodox marry non-orthodox but I think this should be avoided; it's in no way ideal. There is always hope they'll convert but then you're marrying someone you hope they'll be, not who they actually are. Sometimes women convert to Orthodoxy after they get married, but the spouse remains part of her former religion. It would be horrible to tell those women they should "submit" to their husband in matters of faith. Well that would be applying the law of the church to someone who is outside of the church, which wouldn't make sense. The Bible is for those inside the church. |
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« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2012, 03:14:47 PM » |
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To make a right decision is not easy at all issues especially in disagreements.
I advise pray to God sincerely and fully and you will receive an answer.
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« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2012, 03:17:53 PM » |
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Orthodoxy or death. This is why I'm not marrying outside of Orthodoxy; to avoid these types of confusions.
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You're really on to something here. Tattoo to keep you from masturbating, chew to keep you from fornicating... it's a whole new world where you outsource your crosses. You're like a Christian entrepreneur or something. James, you have problemz. |
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