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« on: November 27, 2010, 03:41:44 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
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Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2010, 05:33:44 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
Quote
Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2010, 05:34:21 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
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Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.

What in the world are you talking about?
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2010, 05:35:49 PM »

Capitalism-big, contemporary capitalism- that's what I'm talking about.
May God destroy it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 05:55:34 PM »

Capitalism-big, contemporary capitalism- that's what I'm talking about.
May God destroy it.

Capitalism is a system of economics. Free from government influence. (The US is not Capitalist, it's a Mixed Economy) The "Man" or "Big Business" is a product of greed. Non-capitalistic economies aren't free from greed. It just involves the state, making "Big Business" the state. Pick your poison.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 07:31:32 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
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Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 08:47:31 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
Quote
Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.

Lol, really? In what way is freedom un-Christian?
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2010, 08:53:46 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
Quote
Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.

Lol, really? In what way is freedom un-Christian?
Do you really think you are free under the thumb of corporatism?
They give you small bits to keep you well behaved and content, but you are still on a leash.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2010, 09:06:59 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
Quote
Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.

Lol, really? In what way is freedom un-Christian?
Do you really think you are free under the thumb of corporatism?
They give you small bits to keep you well behaved and content, but you are still on a leash.

Why are we talking about corporatism? You brought up capitalism. Corporatism is a corruption from Greed.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2010, 09:39:20 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
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Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.

Lol, really? In what way is freedom un-Christian?

It's interesting that you think freedom and capitalism are the same thing. The Communist Chinese could really use someone like you writing their propaganda.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2010, 09:50:14 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
Quote
Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.

Lol, really? In what way is freedom un-Christian?

It's interesting that you think freedom and capitalism are the same thing. The Communist Chinese could really use someone like you writing their propaganda.

It's interesting that your only defense is ad hominem attacks. Is you understanding based purely on emotion?

Speaking of communism, and not the unachievable pure communism, but the one in practice, the corruption of the state takes place of the corruption of the businessman.

So I assume, we've already ruled out communism and capitalism as ripe for corruption, or as you might say, pure evil, I assume we are left with, basically, a mixed economy or a socialist economy.

Something tells me you don't care for the mixed economy, which is a capitalistic economy with government interference enough to reduce corruption.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2010, 10:28:30 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
Quote
Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.

Lol, really? In what way is freedom un-Christian?

It's interesting that you think freedom and capitalism are the same thing. The Communist Chinese could really use someone like you writing their propaganda.

It's interesting that your only defense is ad hominem attacks. Is you understanding based purely on emotion?

Speaking of communism, and not the unachievable pure communism, but the one in practice, the corruption of the state takes place of the corruption of the businessman.

So I assume, we've already ruled out communism and capitalism as ripe for corruption, or as you might say, pure evil, I assume we are left with, basically, a mixed economy or a socialist economy.

Something tells me you don't care for the mixed economy, which is a capitalistic economy with government interference enough to reduce corruption.

I'm sorry, I don't know you. I should have let this drop. I have spent many fruitless hours arguing with people who seemed to think if Christ had incarnated in the 21st Century he'd have been a senior VP at Goldman Sachs. I shouldn't have assumed you were one of those. Sorry.
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2010, 12:49:41 AM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
Quote
Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
Quote
Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.

Lol, really? In what way is freedom un-Christian?

Freedom for who?  The worker, or the Corporation?
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Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
There are evils associated with capitalism, yes, that is true. But what is the alternative? Under communism, there were many restrictions placed on religion and many priests were killed and many Churches were destroyed. In the schools, atheism was taught.
Today, in many countries, they have a restricted form of capitalism mixed with a smaller dose of socialism.
However, it does seem to me that the capitalistic war machine as it exists in the USA is quite dangerous. I don;t see the need for the USA to be involved with armed forces and terrible weapons in so many countries around the world today. To some extent, this aggressive activity on the part of the USA may be fueled by the industrial war machine of capitalism, but there are other factors involved, such as the protection of Israel and the fear of radical Islam.
Can you kindly advise us as to what is the best form of government that you would prefer?
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2010, 05:06:44 AM »

Capitalism is morally neutral; it's nothing more than the government not interfering with the economy. Now people can do good things or bad things with this freedom, some will abuse a capitalist system, but that's not a failing of capitalism, a capitalist system does not FORCE any economic behavior, it merely allows it.

Any other economic system is, by definition, less than absolute freedom; therefore it includes the use of force against individuals by the state thus giving any economic system except capitalism at least the potential to be evil.
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Capitalism is morally neutral; it's nothing more than the government not interfering with the economy. Now people can do good things or bad things with this freedom, some will abuse a capitalist system, but that's not a failing of capitalism, a capitalist system does not FORCE any economic behavior, it merely allows it.

Any other economic system is, by definition, less than absolute freedom; therefore it includes the use of force against individuals by the state thus giving any economic system except capitalism at least the potential to be evil.
I think that there is something wrong with the profit motive, when the almighty dollar is placed above the worth of human life. If the profit motive is impelling people to profit by  fueling the arms race and by waging aggressive wars and subsequently, innocent people will suffer and die, then it is not a motive for the good.
But in any case, I don;t see where pure capitalism exists today. There is always some government intervention, at least in the form of taxation, and usually there are all kinds of governmental regulations.  The taxes on business enterprises are then used for socialist enterprises such as public libraries, public education, public museums, public parks, public police protection, public post office services, public registration of automobiles, enforcement of regulations on businesses,  etc.
I am very much opposed to absolute freedom and absolute unfettered capitalism which has led to immoral situations such as the purchase and enslavement of the African female by the white European male.
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2010, 10:15:37 AM »

Capitalism is morally neutral; it's nothing more than the government not interfering with the economy. Now people can do good things or bad things with this freedom, some will abuse a capitalist system, but that's not a failing of capitalism, a capitalist system does not FORCE any economic behavior, it merely allows it.

Any other economic system is, by definition, less than absolute freedom; therefore it includes the use of force against individuals by the state thus giving any economic system except capitalism at least the potential to be evil.
I think that there is something wrong with the profit motive, when the almighty dollar is placed above the worth of human life. If the profit motive is impelling people to profit by  fueling the arms race and by waging aggressive wars and subsequently, innocent people will suffer and die, then it is not a motive for the good.

Greed, or the absolute place of the dollar, is what drives economies. All of them. The difference is how much influence one party has over another.

Foreign policy isn't linked to economics (directly). Foreign politics are driven by the political ethos of the country. Now, debating the merits of individual wars/conflicts, and what policies are driving them and why, is a-whole-nother thread topic. So, I'll leave that alone, here.

But in any case, I don;t see where pure capitalism exists today. There is always some government intervention, at least in the form of taxation, and usually there are all kinds of governmental regulations.  The taxes on business enterprises are then used for socialist enterprises such as public libraries, public education, public museums, public parks, public police protection, public post office services, public registration of automobiles, enforcement of regulations on businesses,  etc.

Pure capitalism hasn't ever existed. The closest we got was during the 18 and 19th century. This is where the "evils" of capitalism can be found, that is, where too much freedom may promote or provide undo opportunity for business corruption.

Taxes, like tariffs, have always been a favorite of states because they allow the state to artificially encourage domestic use of goods (by way of raising the price of imported goods).

The taxes on business enterprises are then used for socialist enterprises such as public libraries, public education, public museums, public parks, public police protection, public post office services, public registration of automobiles, enforcement of regulations on businesses,  etc.

It's not just business taxes that support these, though I'm sure that's not what you meant. This however is where the debate in the US is so strong, that is, between the Mixed and Socialist models, or how much input and taxation is good, needed, or necessary.

I am very much opposed to absolute freedom and absolute unfettered capitalism which has led to immoral situations such as the purchase and enslavement of the African female by the white European male.

I agree, pure capitalism is dangerous, leaving open too much opportunity for business immorality. The state should be involved, on some level, to ensure business responsibility (ever read the book "The Jungle"?).

For example, in the US, after a mine has removed the ore from a particular location, it is no longer allowed to leave an unused open mine. It is now required to cover and replant "to mimic the original terrain". Also, in order to limit the effects of "Acid Mine Drainage", the business is required to provided certain measures to counteract the effects (e.g. placing limestone in drainage channels. The limestone (or calcium carbonate) combines with the acidic runoff neutralizing the acid (TUMS is limestone (calcium carbonate), same action).
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2010, 01:41:47 PM »

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My, my. You've been busy going through the length and bredth of this land to be able to make such a sweeping generalization.
No, that's rather common knowledge; plus the folk culture of this country was already quite influenced by a number of radical Protestant sects that further diminished whatever archaic pagan elements were preserved by the British or Sottish or Irish cultures. What you have left now, all across America-and spreading throughout the world- is a general cultural deracination/ amnesia, the void of which is filled by consumerism.
For that direct your thanks to capitalism/neoliberalism and Protestantism.Quote
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Are you bragging or complaining?

Well, seeing the havoc wrecked by the combined forces of capitalism and Protestantism, I am only grateful for those pockets and areas still somehow spared of this.
Quote
Because Sir James George Frazier says so?
No. There are plenty of others that have said so.
Before knowing of any I've seen it with my own eyes, heard it from Parents, grand-parents, (great) great-aunts and uncles, neighbours etc.


Rah! Capitalism! How dare those people have businesses without state influence! Rah!!!
Capitalism is the enemy of everything human, of traditions rooted in a place, of large  families, as it destroys the social fabric of a place, the enemy of workers and small people.
Ecrasez l'infame!
AMEN!!! It is so rare to hear anyone say what must be perfectly obvious to any honest Christian: Capitalism is un-Christian. Bless you.

Lol, really? In what way is freedom un-Christian?

Freedom for who?  The worker, or the Corporation?

The worker has the freedom to starve.
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2010, 01:48:48 PM »

Capitalism is morally neutral; it's nothing more than the government not interfering with the economy. Now people can do good things or bad things with this freedom, some will abuse a capitalist system, but that's not a failing of capitalism, a capitalist system does not FORCE any economic behavior, it merely allows it.

Any other economic system is, by definition, less than absolute freedom; therefore it includes the use of force against individuals by the state thus giving any economic system except capitalism at least the potential to be evil.
I think that there is something wrong with the profit motive, when the almighty dollar is placed above the worth of human life. If the profit motive is impelling people to profit by  fueling the arms race and by waging aggressive wars and subsequently, innocent people will suffer and die, then it is not a motive for the good.

That's not Capitalism, that's human nature. I think a common objection to Capitalism is that it lets you see humanity for who we really are and that causes some people psychological trauma.
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2010, 05:39:42 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2010, 05:51:22 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2010, 05:58:03 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2010, 05:59:37 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2010, 06:00:29 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.

Communism is not a barter system either.
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2010, 06:55:24 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.

Communism is not a barter system either.

Is that what I said?
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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2010, 07:09:19 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.

Communism is not a barter system either.

Is that what I said?

You said capitalists love money.
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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2010, 07:12:20 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.

Communism is not a barter system either.

Is that what I said?

You said capitalists love money.

No I said all economics love money.

You said pure communism doesn't have money. Neither does the barter system.
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2010, 07:18:01 PM »


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No I said all economics love money.

You said pure communism doesn't have money. Neither does the barter system.
I didn't say anything. This is only my second comment on this thread. But pure communism doesn't have money. Or barter either, really. People simply get what they need because they need it. From each ... to each. The classic quote. It's also how monastic communities work, btw.
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No I said all economics love money.

You said pure communism doesn't have money. Neither does the barter system.
I didn't say anything. This is only my second comment on this thread.

My mistake.

But pure communism doesn't have money. Or barter either, really. People simply get what they need because they need it. From each ... to each. The classic quote. It's also how monastic communities work, btw.

I agree.
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2010, 07:38:14 PM »

Capitalism-big, contemporary capitalism- that's what I'm talking about.
May God destroy it.

He said, sipping a Latte on his couch in front of his 52 inch HD TV.
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2010, 07:41:32 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.

True.  But barter by definition requires a give and take, and has no way to make money off of money.  Usury tends to be a bit harder to pull off under a barter system.
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2010, 07:43:25 PM »

Capitalism-big, contemporary capitalism- that's what I'm talking about.
May God destroy it.

He said, sipping a Latte on his couch in front of his 52 inch HD TV.

I feel the same way, but dislike Lattes and don't recall if I have ever seen a 52 inch HD TV, much less owned one.
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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2010, 08:13:01 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.

True.  But barter by definition requires a give and take, and has no way to make money off of money.  Usury tends to be a bit harder to pull off under a barter system.

Usury doesn't require money, or capitalism (though I'm sure that wasn't your point).

For example, I'll lend you a cow for meat. Until you give me a cow back, or equal trade, I'll require one egg a day.
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2010, 08:26:18 PM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.

True.  But barter by definition requires a give and take, and has no way to make money off of money.  Usury tends to be a bit harder to pull off under a barter system.

Usury doesn't require money, or capitalism (though I'm sure that wasn't your point).

For example, I'll lend you a cow for meat. Until you give me a cow back, or equal trade, I'll require one egg a day.

Although if you were truly usurious you'd most likely be asking for more eggs than my chickens lay. For a practical example of this, children, let's look now at the US credit card industry...
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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2010, 12:06:51 AM »

The Scriptures tell us that the love of money is the root of all evil.  Capitalism is nothing but an economic system based on the love of money.  So, I guess that I would be one the agrees with the subject statement.

All economics are based on the love of money. The rich love Pure Capitalism and the poor love Pure Communism.

Eh? There's no money in "pure communism."

Money is a proxy for opportunity or goods. The barter system has no 'money', but it is nevertheless an economic system.

True.  But barter by definition requires a give and take, and has no way to make money off of money.  Usury tends to be a bit harder to pull off under a barter system.

Usury doesn't require money, or capitalism (though I'm sure that wasn't your point).

For example, I'll lend you a cow for meat. Until you give me a cow back, or equal trade, I'll require one egg a day.

Interesting!  I would never have thought of Capitalist barter.
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They give you small bits to keep you well behaved and content, but you are still on a leash.

Are holy Orthodox peasant-lady serfs not promised heavenly bits at church for their work in the fields? Pull the plow harder, and saint so-and-so will help you to get a bigger reward from the Heavenly Queen. And the landowners reap the rewards.

Some like their creature comforts now, others are encouraged to envision them in a future age.
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« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2010, 07:38:38 AM »

Capitalism-big, contemporary capitalism- that's what I'm talking about.
May God destroy it.

He said, sipping a Latte on his couch in front of his 52 inch HD TV.

I feel the same way, but dislike Lattes and don't recall if I have ever seen a 52 inch HD TV, much less owned one.

32 inch? You got cable? Air conditioning ? Three square meals and a cot to flop into? .... Latte's if you liked em? Sounds like hell.
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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2010, 09:04:41 AM »

Capitalism-big, contemporary capitalism- that's what I'm talking about.
May God destroy it.

He said, sipping a Latte on his couch in front of his 52 inch HD TV.

I feel the same way, but dislike Lattes and don't recall if I have ever seen a 52 inch HD TV, much less owned one.

32 inch? You got cable? Air conditioning ? Three square meals and a cot to flop into? .... Latte's if you liked em? Sounds like hell.

Actually, my TV is smaller than 32 inch.  I have cable, window units to cool the house, and good meals and a bed.  So do most socialists that I know, here and in Europe.  I also know that even with my modest lifestyle, about 80% of the people in this country have less than I do. 
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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2010, 10:19:55 AM »

The Old Testament society was certainly not laissez-faire. God's people were commanded (=forced) to share their wealth (Lev. 19:9, Deut. 24:19-22).
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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2010, 10:29:45 AM »

The Old Testament society was certainly not laissez-faire. God's people were commanded (=forced) to share their wealth (Lev. 19:9, Deut. 24:19-22).

Do you really want to appeal to OT economics? Leviticus 25:44-46, Ex. 21:20-21
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« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2010, 10:34:20 AM »

ISTM that neither 'laissez-faire' capitalism nor Utopian socialism presents an ideal worthy of a Christian society. Do not our Lord's own teachings speak to BOTH our responsibility to use that which has been given to us wisely and to care for our brothers and sisters? Both the social-Darwinists and the collectivists seem to miss the mark.
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« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2010, 11:51:55 AM »

ISTM that neither 'laissez-faire' capitalism nor Utopian socialism presents an ideal worthy of a Christian society. Do not our Lord's own teachings speak to BOTH our responsibility to use that which has been given to us wisely and to care for our brothers and sisters? Both the social-Darwinists and the collectivists seem to miss the mark.

Agree.  The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
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« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2010, 11:58:48 AM »

The Old Testament society was certainly not laissez-faire. God's people were commanded (=forced) to share their wealth (Lev. 19:9, Deut. 24:19-22).

Do you really want to appeal to OT economics? Leviticus 25:44-46, Ex. 21:20-21

I know that the OT society considered slavery a normal thing, but that does not disprove my point that it was not exactly laissez-faire, because the Israelites did have to share their wealth. It was a compulsory thing; no one argued, back then, that leaving parts of one's harvest for the poor or orphans should be a voluntary charity, the way today's proponents of "pure Capitalism" argue.
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« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2010, 12:35:15 PM »

Balderdash! There is no such thing as 'capitalism'. That's a stupid concept Marx invented. Everyone else knows it as 'personal freedom'. Just because some people abuse their freedom and take advantage of other people is no reason to consider freedom to be evil. God Himself has given us that freedom. Use it to the greater glory of God.
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« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2010, 12:51:22 PM »

Capitalism-big, contemporary capitalism- that's what I'm talking about.
May God destroy it.

He said, sipping a Latte on his couch in front of his 52 inch HD TV.
Not that I have to justify myself in front of you but none of that is true.
I actually, by American standards, am not even lower middle class, but plain old lower class; I also work a blue-collar job, being a handyman of sorts.
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