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this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« on: April 05, 2004, 10:07:22 AM »
can we change the world?
how?
why not?
is it a matter of faith or what?
can we have heaven on earth?
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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2004, 11:21:37 AM »
How can we change the world?  It's nothing new, but people can sometimes scorn it as belief in a new elaborate initiative is more applealing to the spirit of the times.  It is much more difficult to put into practice than bearing signs at protests or donating a few bucks to an organization, as it requires each of us to let go our own soul destroying deeds.  Simply, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.
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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2004, 01:17:55 PM »
Since the fall of mankind, and the control of the World has been transferred to Satan. The Lord himself acknowledged this fact by referring to the Evil One as Prince or Master of this World. As such, we should never expect peace or that the trials from the world and prosecution will ever end.

In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the heart of Egypt, and a monument to the LORD at its border. (Isaiah 19:19)

" God forbid I should see the face of Judah or listen to his blasphemy" (Gerontius, Archmanidrite of the monastery of St. Melania)

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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2004, 03:39:21 PM »
marx, lenin, the 1960's utopians, Jim Jones (of the mass suicides in South America fame in the late 1970's), and countless others have tried to make this world "heaven."  See Stavro's comment above!
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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2004, 05:20:15 PM »
We shall find peace. We shall hear the angels, we shall see the sky sparkling with diamonds.(Antoun chekhov)





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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2004, 04:50:00 AM »
Christos Anesti!  Christ is Risen

We can change the world...

by becoming Holy ourselves. Anything else is an exercise in futility.

John.

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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2004, 03:20:40 PM »
"The poor you will always have with you." - Jesus (which doesn't mean we shouldn't try to help... but poverty and strife are facts of life in a fallen world)
« Last Edit: April 19, 2004, 03:21:11 PM by Paradosis »
Like a spiritual Pepto running roughshod over your nauseating claims and diarrhea doctrines...

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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2004, 03:34:49 PM »
There are two kinds of people in this world: those who divide people into two kinds and those who don't.

If everyone would change his or her underwear on a regular basis, the world would be a nicer place.

Once we've all done that, we can move on to oral hygiene.
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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2004, 04:45:47 PM »
I like David's and John's answers. :)

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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2004, 04:57:50 PM »
How do we change the world?  We can't change all of it at once.  We change ourselves so that we *don't* give into being greedy or lustful or hateful.  So that we remember the poor, even ones in far away countries who we'll never meet, but are being used as slave labour to make clothing or other items for us and try to do any small thing for fair treatment and wages.  We remember that people who aren't like us are Human too and made in the image of God.  It's the work on our part and the little bit that we *can* do that might change something.  And that takes a lot of time, not the day or two of a protest or the check to a PAC.  Work, that's what it'll take.

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Re:this could be heaven for EVERYONE!
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2004, 02:58:03 PM »
Each day try to do something nice for your neighbor or whomever you come into contact with.  Its amazing how good it feels.  You never know how this impacts some one who is not used to getting this treatment.

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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2004, 06:18:57 PM »
Off to Free For All!!!
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