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« on: November 19, 2010, 02:17:11 PM »

1) I have heard that the philokalia, gerontikon, and unseen warfare are useful.  Can someone point me to a good version of these on amazon?  I don't know enough about what they are to know what to buy.

2) I have 3 books that seem to be a translation of unseen warfare, but I can't figure out which is first, second, third.

3) On the ladder of divine ascent, I feel like I am getting in over my head after the first few chapters.  I have assumed that the 30 steps in the ladder are somewhat sequential, so there is no benefit to read about later steps when I am still trying to work on the early steps.  But I just wanted to be sure that is true.
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2010, 02:52:12 PM »

1) I have heard that the philokalia, gerontikon, and unseen warfare are useful.  Can someone point me to a good version of these on amazon?  I don't know enough about what they are to know what to buy.

2) I have 3 books that seem to be a translation of unseen warfare, but I can't figure out which is first, second, third.

3) On the ladder of divine ascent, I feel like I am getting in over my head after the first few chapters.  I have assumed that the 30 steps in the ladder are somewhat sequential, so there is no benefit to read about later steps when I am still trying to work on the early steps.  But I just wanted to be sure that is true.

This is the version of Unseen Warfare you want: http://www.amazon.com/Unseen-Warfare-Spiritual-Paradise-Lorenzo/dp/0913836524/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1290192490&sr=1-1

On the Ladder, read it through, it is ideal to read one step a day. Do not expect to perfect the steps while reading through it. Many monks and lay people read the Ladder every year during Lent. I'm sure there are monks that have read it probably 60 times and still find something new in it each time. It is very rich spiritual writing that should be read under guidance and don't expect to understand it all the way the first time you read it. The same goes with the Philokalia and Unseen Warfare. Read them with prayer and guidance.
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 05:17:51 PM »

In many ways, the Way of a Pilgrim is a good beginner's preface to the Philokalia.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2010, 07:11:15 PM »

In many ways, the Way of a Pilgrim is a good beginner's preface to the Philokalia.

I think books like Way of a Pilgrim and On the Prayer of Jesus are pretty much everything laymen need to know from the Philokalia.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 07:38:30 PM »

In many ways, the Way of a Pilgrim is a good beginner's preface to the Philokalia.

I think books like Way of a Pilgrim and On the Prayer of Jesus are pretty much everything laymen need to know from the Philokalia.

Agreed.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 09:27:48 PM »

Thanks, I appreciate all the good advice.  I have a book with selections of the Philokalia regarding prayer, and I'm relieved to hear that there are some easier books.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 09:39:40 PM »

Thanks, I appreciate all the good advice.  I have a book with selections of the Philokalia regarding prayer, and I'm relieved to hear that there are some easier books.


I concur that the Way of a Pilgrim is a wonderful book. I would also recommend Bread & Water, Wine & Oil by Fr Meletios Weber and The Inner Kingdom by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware. All three of these books are very easy reads and they will give you a great primer on some of the themes contained in the Philokalia.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 09:54:43 PM »

Surprised St. Nikodemus of the Orthodox Church translated for everybody the Venetian Unseen Warfare. I have a podcast discussing this work chapter by chapter by the way, I can recommend it here if anybody wants it. I think I will hear it, didn't know if the book was good or not.
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 10:56:22 PM »

I also like Way of the Ascetic by Tito Colliander. Very rich little book, not much more than 100 pages. Good intro the the Orthodox ascetical tradition with many quotes from the  ascetic Fathers.

I'm of the mind that the Philokalia AND The Ladder of Divine Ascent are definitely not for newbies. Maybe after being Orthodox several years. Get some time as an Orthodox under your belt to help understand them, especially The Ladder. Simple books such as those I suggest below are often very rich. Simple doesn't necessarily mean easy!

The inquirers at church always seem to find their way to me and I recommend the following:

The Orthodox Church and The Orthodox Way, both by Metropolitan Kallistos (Ware)

Way of the Ascetic and Way of the Pilgrim

As well as Year of Grace of Our Lord, to read as one goes through the church year

These are in addition to the other usual ones...
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2010, 11:06:20 PM »

I would recommend The Life of Anthony, composed by St. Athanasius. This is perhaps the foundational work on spiritual warfare. It is also valuable for its brevity and readability. You might be able to find it online.

I recently finished a wonderful autobiography entitled, The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios. This is truly one of the best books I've ever read, and contains an abundance of Orthodox wisdom about spiritual warfare.


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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2010, 11:12:13 PM »

Way of the Ascetics is a masterpiece, definitely recommend it. Nothing wrong with The Philokalia (the works of St. Mark in the first volume are my favorite), and I think there's only one translation in English, though it's incomplete. Here's one of the works of St. Mark from Volume 1:

On Those who Think They Are Made Righteous by Works
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2010, 11:16:39 PM »

I would recommend The Life of Anthony, composed by St. Athanasius. This is perhaps the foundational work on spiritual warfare. It is also valuable for its brevity and readability. You might be able to find it online.

I recently finished a wonderful autobiography entitled, The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios. This is truly one of the best books I've ever read, and contains an abundance of Orthodox wisdom about spiritual warfare.


Selam


Here's life of Anthony in audiobook...for FREE!

http://marialectrix.wordpress.com/completed-religious-books/


Scroll down, also make sure to download the lectures by Saint Cyril of Jerusalem, the epistles of Saint Ignatius, and the epistle of Clement ! Gebre, I will note down that book you said on Elder Paisius sounds good.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2010, 11:02:48 AM »

I would recommend The Life of Anthony, composed by St. Athanasius. This is perhaps the foundational work on spiritual warfare. It is also valuable for its brevity and readability. You might be able to find it online.

I recently finished a wonderful autobiography entitled, The Gurus, The Young Man, and Elder Paisios. This is truly one of the best books I've ever read, and contains an abundance of Orthodox wisdom about spiritual warfare.


Selam

Thanks for that advice and the advice of everyone else.  Now I will have to read all those books.

Also, I liked a book called "Dragon's Wine and Angel's Bread" that was based on Evagrius.  I think Evagrius ideas would help me but I don't think I would be able to understand them in their raw form without some very good commentary.  Any suggestions?
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2010, 03:24:22 PM »

In many ways, the Way of a Pilgrim is a good beginner's preface to the Philokalia.

I think books like Way of a Pilgrim and On the Prayer of Jesus are pretty much everything laymen need to know from the Philokalia.

Ditto
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