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The 1901 excommunication of author Leo Tolstoy from the Russian Orthodox Church cannot be rescinded, because Tolstoy did not publicly renounce his controversial spiritual beliefs prior to his death. Former Prime Minister Sergei Stepashin had written to Patriarch Kirill to ask whether the excommunication could be lifted, but church officials have stated that it could not.

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“The decision of the Most Holy Governing Synod merely stated an accomplished fact,” said Archimandrate Tikhon Shevkunov, executive secretary of Patriarch Kirill’s council on culture. “Count Tolstoy excommunicated himself from the church, he broke with it entirely. He not only didn’t deny this, but emphasized it vigorously at every opportunity.”

 
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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 02:37:38 PM »
What was Tolstoy excommunicated for? Could it be possible that he was "kicked out" for not being loyal to the State?
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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 03:02:16 PM »
What was Tolstoy excommunicated for? Could it be possible that he was "kicked out" for not being loyal to the State?
among other things, he publically denied the divinity of Christ (Dostoevsky was working on a refutation of Tolstoy's views, provided by his own aunt, when he died), and criticism of the Church on dogma beyond corrupt practices.
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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 03:03:39 PM »
What was Tolstoy excommunicated for? Could it be possible that he was "kicked out" for not being loyal to the State?
among other things, he publically denied the divinity of Christ (Dostoevsky was working on a refutation of Tolstoy's views, provided by his own aunt, when he died), and criticism of the Church on dogma beyond corrupt practices.
WOW! I didn't know that he really wasn't even a Christian when it came down to it.
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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 03:07:37 PM »
In Western terms, he had become a deist; hence he cut himself off from the Church by his own actions and words.

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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 03:19:31 PM »
In the Life of St. Barsanuphius of Optina, St. Barsanuphius is sent to Tolstoy on his deathbed to try and bet him to repent. This was probably because Tolstoy had tried to visit the Elders earlier, but his own inner "demons" drove him away. St. Barsanuphius arrived at Tolstoy's deathbed, but the door was shut by Tolstoy's relatives or followers. I think by that time Tolstoy was unable to talk. The whole situation is rather sad. It is an instruction for us, I think.
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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 03:38:33 PM »
The Last Station is a film that chronicles the latter events of Tolstoy's life, including his death and the the event involving St. Barsanuphius (in a train station, hence the title). It's neither a great movie or sympathetic to the church, but it does a good job of showing various agendas and the people who manipulated him.

Frankly, the decision seems a sound one.
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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2012, 02:40:59 PM »
who cares if it cannot be reserved. He's in God's hands now. And I couldn't love his personality any less.










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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2012, 02:43:24 PM »
In Western terms, he had become a deist; hence he cut himself off from the Church by his own actions and words.
so the church didn't excommunicate him. He just woke up one morning and said to himself "Now I am going to be self excommunicated from the church" right?
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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 03:23:04 PM »
The Last Station is a film that chronicles the latter events of Tolstoy's life, including his death and the the event involving St. Barsanuphius (in a train station, hence the title). It's neither a great movie or sympathetic to the church, but it does a good job of showing various agendas and the people who manipulated him.

Frankly, the decision seems a sound one.

That film is fantastic. 
But on the topic if he did not repent in life, the Church cannot reverse his excommunication. 

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Re: Tolstoy's excommunication cannot be reversed, says Russian church official
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 05:05:22 PM »
In Western terms, he had become a deist; hence he cut himself off from the Church by his own actions and words.
so the church didn't excommunicate him. He just woke up one morning and said to himself "Now I am going to be self excommunicated from the church" right?

You fail to understand how excommunication works. If you no longer hold to Orthodox faith, Orthodox doctrine, and if you willingly live your life apart from or in direct contradiction to the Orthodox Church, then you have excommunicated yourself from the Church and you have separated yourself from God.

That is why if one doesn't believe the Nicene Creed or any Orthodox doctrine, they should not be receiving communion. If they receive communion, even while denying Orthodox faith, then they are receiving the body and blood of Christ to their condemnation and damnation.