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Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« on: November 18, 2010, 03:02:02 AM »
My Russian wife had some minor surgery and is now telling me that she needs yogurt while taking antibiotics. 

I have taken antibiotics in the past and never has a doctor told me to eat yogurt.   Is my doctor not telling me something about antibiotics that I should know about? 

If my doctor is telling me to eat yogurt do I need to confess this? 

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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 03:06:39 AM »
If my doctor is telling me to eat yogurt do I need to confess this?

I'm going to guess probably not.

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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 03:37:20 AM »
Is my doctor not telling me something about antibiotics that I should know about?

Antibiotics do not discriminate when it comes to killing off bacteria.  Your intestinal tract contains a great deal of necessary bacteria whose levels can be lowered quite substantially by antibiotics.  A serving or two of yoghurt can help stabilise these levels, which helps to prevent certain gastrointestinal issues.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 04:35:58 AM »
And, while not discriminating against the good and bad bacteria, antibiotics upset the natural balance of bacteria in the vagina, causing nasty, burning, itching, painful yeast infections.  My doctor always urges me to eat yoghurt or drink milk containing live cultures such as Lactobacillus acidophilus.  I eat an abundance of Greek or Bulgarian plain yoghurt daily while on antibiotics, and for several days afterward.  So, that might be another reason your wife's doctor is prescribing yoghurt.  
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 04:39:16 AM »
The reason why you haven't heard much about it is because you are a man. The risks for a woman on antibiotics are entirely different than for a man. I won't go into it further, but trust me, a woman should ALWAYS go on a probiotic when she is taking antibiotics. You can buy a kyo-dophilus supplement that is dairy free and use that in lieu of yogurt as well(I tend to use both yogurt and a probiotic supplement when I am on antibiotics).
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 07:25:35 AM »
Plus, I have always been taught that fasting rules cannot overrule medical orders. If during fast, a condition arises that leads a doctor to order us to eat something, we must obey. The discipline and suffering the condition imposes plus the humility in obeying the doctor guarantee that we are still in the spirit of the fasting rules.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 10:36:58 AM »
There are also acidophillous tablets that are vegan to take instead of yogurt. They may not be as effective, I don't know. Homemade raw sauerkraut and kimchi also have some of the same beneficial bacteria, particularly the juice or brine used for fermentation. However, it also can be high in sodium.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 11:32:04 AM »
While I agree that there are likely vegan options, it's my understanding that one facet of the fast is to encourage us to simplify our eating habits - not cause us extra complications to search out additives and supplements that we wouldn't normally buy. These items can often be more expensive than ordinary options. That breaks the spirit of encouraging almsgiving. We do the best we can.

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 01:09:16 PM »
While I agree that there are likely vegan options, it's my understanding that one facet of the fast is to encourage us to simplify our eating habits - not cause us extra complications to search out additives and supplements that we wouldn't normally buy. These items can often be more expensive than ordinary options. That breaks the spirit of encouraging almsgiving. We do the best we can.

I find this puzzling. Bacterial supplements can be purchased cheaply, more cheaply than yogurt. Cabbage is also very cheap. I'm not suggesting that people are wrong to eat yogurt for medical reasons. I am simply stating that there are other alternatives for those who might wish for them. How does that mess with almsgiving or the spirit of the fast?
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 03:43:21 PM »
My Russian wife had some minor surgery and is now telling me that she needs yogurt while taking antibiotics. 

I have taken antibiotics in the past and never has a doctor told me to eat yogurt.   Is my doctor not telling me something about antibiotics that I should know about? 

If my doctor is telling me to eat yogurt do I need to confess this? 



yes and yes.. antibiotics don't just kill the harmful bacteria but kill the good bugs too. Our digestive track is chock full of good bacteria that perform essential roles in our ability to digest food. Yogurt can replace much of the lost good bacteria, especially if it is "farm fresh" or at least organic and not overly processed.

it's not just what you eat but what you can digest that determines health.

And yes, going off the fast should be talked over with your Priest.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2010, 03:51:14 PM »
While I agree that there are likely vegan options, it's my understanding that one facet of the fast is to encourage us to simplify our eating habits - not cause us extra complications to search out additives and supplements that we wouldn't normally buy. These items can often be more expensive than ordinary options. That breaks the spirit of encouraging almsgiving. We do the best we can.

I find this puzzling. Bacterial supplements can be purchased cheaply, more cheaply than yogurt. Cabbage is also very cheap. I'm not suggesting that people are wrong to eat yogurt for medical reasons. I am simply stating that there are other alternatives for those who might wish for them. How does that mess with almsgiving or the spirit of the fast?

I don't know where you shop, but I made my wife stop buying the cheap acidophalous supplement she was buying and convinced her to eat yogurt instead; a month's supply of the latter cost a week's supply of the former.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2010, 03:52:45 PM »
I've heard recently that antibiotics now kill hardly nothing.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2010, 03:57:31 PM »
I've heard recently that antibiotics now kill hardly nothing.
Because of *cough* evolution *cough*.  :laugh:  *stares at another thread*

Antibiotics are still very effective when used against strains where resistance is rare.  Overuse in the past has led to some issues now though, and it isn't prescribed unless it is truly necessary.  When I was younger, an ear infection always meant antibiotics... now rarely.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2010, 03:59:31 PM »
 Does low fat/non-fat yogurt work as well as regular yogurt?
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2010, 04:03:42 PM »
Does low fat/non-fat yogurt work as well as regular yogurt?

Shouldn't matter.  What is important is live/active cultures.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 10:07:34 PM »
While I agree that there are likely vegan options, it's my understanding that one facet of the fast is to encourage us to simplify our eating habits - not cause us extra complications to search out additives and supplements that we wouldn't normally buy. These items can often be more expensive than ordinary options. That breaks the spirit of encouraging almsgiving. We do the best we can.

I find this puzzling. Bacterial supplements can be purchased cheaply, more cheaply than yogurt. Cabbage is also very cheap. I'm not suggesting that people are wrong to eat yogurt for medical reasons. I am simply stating that there are other alternatives for those who might wish for them. How does that mess with almsgiving or the spirit of the fast?
What does cabbage contain that kills yeast?
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2010, 10:13:12 PM »
Not all yogurt brands and similar substances contain the same number if friendly bacteria. For example, Kefir (a smoothie type, dairy based drink) contains 10 of good bacteria. As for fasting, one could use plain yogurt and Kefir instead of the flavored types that are more palatable to the Western tastes if you must insist on sacrificing something. 

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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2010, 10:28:33 PM »
While I agree that there are likely vegan options, it's my understanding that one facet of the fast is to encourage us to simplify our eating habits - not cause us extra complications to search out additives and supplements that we wouldn't normally buy. These items can often be more expensive than ordinary options. That breaks the spirit of encouraging almsgiving. We do the best we can.

I find this puzzling. Bacterial supplements can be purchased cheaply, more cheaply than yogurt. Cabbage is also very cheap. I'm not suggesting that people are wrong to eat yogurt for medical reasons. I am simply stating that there are other alternatives for those who might wish for them. How does that mess with almsgiving or the spirit of the fast?
What does cabbage contain that kills yeast?

Its not the cabbage by itself.  It is the fermented cabbage that can aid in adding good bacteria to the digestive tract.  That is why whoever posted that note indicated that drinking the brine would work well because that is the fermentation medium.

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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 12:11:32 AM »
While I agree that there are likely vegan options, it's my understanding that one facet of the fast is to encourage us to simplify our eating habits - not cause us extra complications to search out additives and supplements that we wouldn't normally buy. These items can often be more expensive than ordinary options. That breaks the spirit of encouraging almsgiving. We do the best we can.

I find this puzzling. Bacterial supplements can be purchased cheaply, more cheaply than yogurt. Cabbage is also very cheap. I'm not suggesting that people are wrong to eat yogurt for medical reasons. I am simply stating that there are other alternatives for those who might wish for them. How does that mess with almsgiving or the spirit of the fast?
What does cabbage contain that kills yeast?

Its not the cabbage by itself.  It is the fermented cabbage that can aid in adding good bacteria to the digestive tract.  That is why whoever posted that note indicated that drinking the brine would work well because that is the fermentation medium.
Thank you!  I actually found several websites that have a host of alternative foods that deal with yeast.  Sauerkraut  and cucumber pickles are just two.
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 10:24:12 AM »
While I agree that there are likely vegan options, it's my understanding that one facet of the fast is to encourage us to simplify our eating habits - not cause us extra complications to search out additives and supplements that we wouldn't normally buy. These items can often be more expensive than ordinary options. That breaks the spirit of encouraging almsgiving. We do the best we can.

I find this puzzling. Bacterial supplements can be purchased cheaply, more cheaply than yogurt. Cabbage is also very cheap. I'm not suggesting that people are wrong to eat yogurt for medical reasons. I am simply stating that there are other alternatives for those who might wish for them. How does that mess with almsgiving or the spirit of the fast?
What does cabbage contain that kills yeast?

Its not the cabbage by itself.  It is the fermented cabbage that can aid in adding good bacteria to the digestive tract.  That is why whoever posted that note indicated that drinking the brine would work well because that is the fermentation medium.
Thank you!  I actually found several websites that have a host of alternative foods that deal with yeast.  Sauerkraut  and cucumber pickles are just two.

Be careful though as you move forward in experimenting what works best for you.  Some digestive tracts are not aided by brine and so you may need to take more of it to be therapeutic than your stomach will allow you to take comfortably or healthily.  I too keep strict fast and so I tried the various brine and vegetable routs but I finally had to give up and go back to the dairy sources.  So in fasting periods I seek out the least "fun" but effective source and that's that  :)

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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 10:44:08 AM »
Brine is very high in sodium and may be proscribed by a host of other health concerns.

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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 10:53:00 AM »
Brine is very high in sodium and may be proscribed by a host of other health concerns.

Lower sodium brines are then very heavily spiced and that can be corrosive to the system too.  Modern refrigeration has really been a boon to us because it made the heavy pickling of foods a thing of the past.  I still extol the virtues of dairy and the mercy of the Church.

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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2010, 11:06:53 AM »
Brine is very high in sodium and may be proscribed by a host of other health concerns.

Lower sodium brines are then very heavily spiced and that can be corrosive to the system too.  Modern refrigeration has really been a boon to us because it made the heavy pickling of foods a thing of the past.  I still extol the virtues of dairy and the mercy of the Church.

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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2010, 11:46:32 AM »
While I agree that there are likely vegan options, it's my understanding that one facet of the fast is to encourage us to simplify our eating habits - not cause us extra complications to search out additives and supplements that we wouldn't normally buy. These items can often be more expensive than ordinary options. That breaks the spirit of encouraging almsgiving. We do the best we can.

I find this puzzling. Bacterial supplements can be purchased cheaply, more cheaply than yogurt. Cabbage is also very cheap. I'm not suggesting that people are wrong to eat yogurt for medical reasons. I am simply stating that there are other alternatives for those who might wish for them. How does that mess with almsgiving or the spirit of the fast?
What does cabbage contain that kills yeast?

Its not the cabbage by itself.  It is the fermented cabbage that can aid in adding good bacteria to the digestive tract.  That is why whoever posted that note indicated that drinking the brine would work well because that is the fermentation medium.
Thank you!  I actually found several websites that have a host of alternative foods that deal with yeast.  Sauerkraut  and cucumber pickles are just two.

Be careful though as you move forward in experimenting what works best for you.  Some digestive tracts are not aided by brine and so you may need to take more of it to be therapeutic than your stomach will allow you to take comfortably or healthily.  I too keep strict fast and so I tried the various brine and vegetable routs but I finally had to give up and go back to the dairy sources.  So in fasting periods I seek out the least "fun" but effective source and that's that  :)
Fortunately, I'm used to eating heavily brined veggies like peppers, green tomatoes,  and onions.  A serving a day won't hurt.  Thanks for the info.   
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2010, 11:53:51 AM »
I've heard recently that antibiotics now kill hardly nothing.
Because of *cough* evolution *cough*.  :laugh:  *stares at another thread*


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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2010, 10:57:02 PM »
Brine is very high in sodium and may be proscribed by a host of other health concerns.

Lower sodium brines are then very heavily spiced and that can be corrosive to the system too.  Modern refrigeration has really been a boon to us because it made the heavy pickling of foods a thing of the past.  I still extol the virtues of dairy and the mercy of the Church.

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This last month I read an article in the Journal of the Weston Price Foundation that a study has found that people who consume full fat dairy have a LOWER incidence of heart disease than those who don't. I also read elsewhere that the whey in dairy lowers blood pressure.

Here is a good article: http://www.realmilk.com/healthbenefits.html
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Re: Yogurt, antibiotics and fasting
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2010, 11:10:03 PM »
^^

If people insist on eating dairy, they should almost always go for whole fat. 

If people want to lose weight, feel better, sleep better, have more energy:

1) Eat lean meat

2) Consume minimal dairy and only use whole fat products when you do consume it

3) No sugar or grains

4) Cut out most fruit and replace it with vegetables.

But this is off topic...  Sorry!  :-)
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2010, 10:11:52 PM »
^^

If people insist on eating dairy, they should almost always go for whole fat.  

If people want to lose weight, feel better, sleep better, have more energy:

1) Eat lean meat

2) Consume minimal dairy and only use whole fat products when you do consume it

3) No sugar or grains

4) Cut out most fruit and replace it with vegetables.

But this is off topic...  Sorry!  :-)


Dairy is extraordinarily good for you if you take it Raw from grass fed cows. It is not so good if you take it pasteurized and homogenized.

I think the trick with meat is not so much lean or fat but how it was raised. If the the cow was forced fed grains and shot up with anti-biotics and never let out to pasture, the meat will not have it's natural healthful qualities. The fat ratios ( omega 3 vs omega 6) will be all lopsided and it will be lacking in nutrients. Natural meat, grass fed, mimics what our hunter gatherer ancestors ate and should be a big part of our diets.

Right, more veggies, less fruit if you want to lose weight. If you just want to be healthy, you can eat fruits if the other parts of your diet are natural. . Avoid all grains and sugar.

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