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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2010, 05:57:10 PM »
I have heard that Charles will most probably not take the name "Charles III" because of the history of the first two Charleses.  Instead he will take the name George VII in honor of his grandfather.  Has anyone heard anything about this?

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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2010, 06:03:22 PM »
Retirement can't be forced on her, not really at least. As it stands right now, her and Prince Phillip have taken on less functions, with other members of the Royal family taking on more responsibility. If she lives to a great age, I would simply expect Prince Charles to take on even more responsibility.

Just to clarify. When I wrote this I was primarily referring to such things as handing out medals, opening new buildings, attending functions etc. There are reasons why you don't see Her Majesty wearing digicamo and trudging around the Afghan. You do see the Crown Prince handing out more medals than he used to, but at the same time the Queen still receives the credentials of foreign dignitaries personally.

When it comes to exercising her constitutional responsibilities, theoretically she could appoint one of her sons to do such things. Whether she will or not is her choice.
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2010, 06:05:21 PM »
I have heard that Charles will most probably not take the name "Charles III" because of the history of the first two Charleses.  Instead he will take the name George VII in honor of his grandfather.  Has anyone heard anything about this?

I have also heard this.
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2010, 10:20:28 PM »
Extremely unlikely is an understatement. The sovereign can't just quit.

Actually, yes, the sovereign can abdicate the throne, leaving it to the next-in-line.  Hence, Edward VIII's transition (because of his desire to marry someone twice-divorced) to his brother Albert who became George VI.

And yes, Charles automatically becomes king on the death of his mother. Any change in succession requires an act of Parliament, and since Charles will become king of sixteen realms, it would require the concerted action of all sixteen. In Canada alone, such action would constitutionally require the consent of not only the Parliament in Ottawa, but all ten provincial legislatures.

I think you're over-stating the case.  Yes, this is how it happened with Edward, but I don't think it would be a lengthy process, and I don't think there would be objections.

Father, I must disagree. Your reference to HRH the Duchess of Cornwall as "his former mistress" is unfair.

I thought I was being accurate.

Especially when you refer to William as "a seemingly better man" although he and Miss Middleton have cohabited, thus making her his mistress.

I wasn't making a moral judgment that William is a better man.

The Prince of Wales is an intelligent and accomplished man with a strong sense of duty. What some have described as eccentricities has proven to be indication of a man a bit ahead of his time - note his work with the environment and architecture. While I do not condone his marital unfaithfulness, that in itself is not reason to consider him unfit for the job. 

If by his "marital unfaithfulness" you mean his public cheating on (someone he had married in front of 750 million people between the live audience and TV), then divorce from arguably the most popular member of the royal family, then seeming "cold fish" attitude at the time of her death, then sure, he was "unfaithful."  I don't necessarily consider him, "totally unfit," but I think he would immediately be one of the least-popular monarchs in recent English history, and would likely lead to further erosion of the monarchy (and, likely, it's abandonment in other nations of the Commonwealth).  Hence, my comment that if he were smart he would abdicate/renounce, and allow his relatively-popular (and relatively untainted) son rule.
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2010, 02:23:46 AM »
I wish him well, but as an unrepentant Fenian, in the words of Billy Maddison I say, "Whoopidy Doo"!  Tiocfaidh ár lá, laddies!

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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2010, 02:35:55 AM »
I wish him well, but as an unrepentant Fenian, in the words of Billy Maddison I say, "Whoopidy Doo"!  Tiocfaidh ár lá, laddies!

Nár laga Dia do lámh !


(May God not weaken your hand!)


Go raibh tú leathuair ar Neamh sula mbeadh a fhios ag an diabhal go bhfuil tú marbh!

(May you be a half hour in heaven before the devil knows you’re dead!)  :)



Ironically, Sinn Fein's original platform called for a dual monarchy. Oops. :P
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2010, 02:59:46 AM »
I wish him well, but as an unrepentant Fenian, in the words of Billy Maddison I say, "Whoopidy Doo"!  Tiocfaidh ár lá, laddies!

Nár laga Dia do lámh !


(May God not weaken your hand!)


Go raibh tú leathuair ar Neamh sula mbeadh a fhios ag an diabhal go bhfuil tú marbh!

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Ironically, Sinn Fein's original platform called for a dual monarchy.
Actually, no.  An Conradh Angla-Éireannach (The Anglo-Irish Treaty) was not accepted by many of the early Sinn Fein members.  You're confusing Sinn Fein with Fianna Fáil, the party that Eamon de Valera created in favor of The Anglo-Irish Treaty of which you speak.  If I said anything more, I'd get slapped with a warning.  And since I'm already on warning, I reckon I'll stop now.

Oops. :P
Don't be too hard on yourself.  It's a long, troubled history. :)
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2010, 03:16:16 AM »
I wish him well, but as an unrepentant Fenian, in the words of Billy Maddison I say, "Whoopidy Doo"!  Tiocfaidh ár lá, laddies!

Nár laga Dia do lámh !


(May God not weaken your hand!)


Go raibh tú leathuair ar Neamh sula mbeadh a fhios ag an diabhal go bhfuil tú marbh!

(May you be a half hour in heaven before the devil knows you’re dead!)  :)



Ironically, Sinn Fein's original platform called for a dual monarchy.
Actually, no.  An Conradh Angla-Éireannach (The Anglo-Irish Treaty) was not accepted by many of the early Sinn Fein members.  You're confusing Sinn Fein with Fianna Fáil, the party that Eamon de Valera created in favor of The Anglo-Irish Treaty of which you speak.  If I said anything more, I'd get slapped with a warning.  And since I'm already on warning, I reckon I'll stop now.

Oops. :P
Don't be too hard on yourself.  It's a long, troubled history. :)

"Though not a monarchist himself, Griffith advocated such an approach for the Anglo-Irish relationship, namely that Ireland should become a separate kingdom alongside Great Britain, the two forming a dual monarchy with a shared monarch but separate governments, as it was thought this solution would be more palatable to the British."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Griffith

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(This was prior to the Anglo-Irish Treaty)
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2010, 03:38:24 AM »
Congratulations to them.  I wish them the best and hope that God blesses their marriage and guides Prince William. 
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2010, 09:50:34 AM »
Extremely unlikely is an understatement. The sovereign can't just quit.

Actually, yes, the sovereign can abdicate the throne, leaving it to the next-in-line.  Hence, Edward VIII's transition (because of his desire to marry someone twice-divorced) to his brother Albert who became George VI.

And yes, Charles automatically becomes king on the death of his mother. Any change in succession requires an act of Parliament, and since Charles will become king of sixteen realms, it would require the concerted action of all sixteen. In Canada alone, such action would constitutionally require the consent of not only the Parliament in Ottawa, but all ten provincial legislatures.

I think you're over-stating the case.  Yes, this is how it happened with Edward, but I don't think it would be a lengthy process, and I don't think there would be objections.
Unfortunately, you are unaware of Canadian constitutional issues. To begin tinkering with constitutional matters such as this would not be easy in many Commonwealth nations; it would likely raise the matter of replacing the constitutional monarchy with some undefined system. Our friends in Australia have already gone through that.

In the case of Edward VIII, the political will was there to remove him from his position. I'm sure you are aware of the persistent rumours of his dallying with the Nazis. His wish to be married to a twice-divorced American made the abdication socially desirable as well.

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Father, I must disagree. Your reference to HRH the Duchess of Cornwall as "his former mistress" is unfair.

I thought I was being accurate.

Especially when you refer to William as "a seemingly better man" although he and Miss Middleton have cohabited, thus making her his mistress.

I wasn't making a moral judgment that William is a better man.
To express your dislike of Charles, you mentioned only his morality. What is it that makes William seem to you a better man?

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The Prince of Wales is an intelligent and accomplished man with a strong sense of duty. What some have described as eccentricities has proven to be indication of a man a bit ahead of his time - note his work with the environment and architecture. While I do not condone his marital unfaithfulness, that in itself is not reason to consider him unfit for the job. 

If by his "marital unfaithfulness" you mean his public cheating on (someone he had married in front of 750 million people between the live audience and TV), then divorce from arguably the most popular member of the royal family, then seeming "cold fish" attitude at the time of her death, then sure, he was "unfaithful."  I don't necessarily consider him, "totally unfit," but I think he would immediately be one of the least-popular monarchs in recent English history, and would likely lead to further erosion of the monarchy (and, likely, it's abandonment in other nations of the Commonwealth).  Hence, my comment that if he were smart he would abdicate/renounce, and allow his relatively-popular (and relatively untainted) son rule.
Quite frankly, Charles is well received wherever he goes. The reports about his visit to Canada last year were very favourable. It seems to me that your assessments are based on the glitz and glamour of celebrity status rather than by the actual hard work that is done by the Royal Family. And yes, Diana did perform many of her royal duties admirably. It was an ill-advised marriage to be sure. No one suffered more than Charles and Diana themselves, especially as they have had to endure the rarely charitable "750 million" judges on their case.

Opening up a constitutional can of worms would not be a "smart" thing to do. Of course, if Her Majesty lives another ten years or more, Charles will be a senior citizen himself (he's already 62), and undoubtedly William and Kate will likely fill many of the public duties. That scenario would seem to satisfy most: Charles to do the actual work of kingship with a younger face to present to the media.

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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2010, 12:15:44 PM »
Unfortunately, you are unaware of Canadian constitutional issues. To begin tinkering with constitutional matters such as this would not be easy in many Commonwealth nations; it would likely raise the matter of replacing the constitutional monarchy with some undefined system. Our friends in Australia have already gone through that.

While I do believe that any decision to or not to abdicate should be taken with all care and due consideration, including considering the impact on the various Commonwealth nations, I also believe that if it is a decision that would be best made for the benefit of the monarchy and Commonwealth, then so be it, regardless of the logistical speed-bumps.

In the case of Edward VIII, the political will was there to remove him from his position. I'm sure you are aware of the persistent rumours of his dallying with the Nazis.

The political will was focused solely on his persistent womanizing (of which George V was ashamed, and had wished that Edward would have no legitimate issue of his own so Albert and/or Elizabeth II could have no impediments to ruling) and desire to marry a twice-divorced woman.  The rumors of his "dallying" with the Nazis came after his abdication, largely because he actually went to Germany, met with Hitler, and offered Nazi salutes throughout his trip.

His wish to be married to a twice-divorced American made the abdication socially desirable as well.

I would submit that this was the major reason, based on my (admittedly limited) reading on the subject.

To express your dislike of Charles, you mentioned only his morality. What is it that makes William seem to you a better man?

received wherever he goes. The reports about his visit to Canada last year were very favourable. It seems to me that your assessments are based on the glitz and glamour of celebrity status rather than by the actual hard work that is done by the Royal Family.

I won't argue that Charles hasn't done admirable work in the service of the Crown and the Commonwealth; his charitable work is well-known, as is his continued service in his mother's name.  To keep the thread open about Edward - he, too, served the crown, and was known for his concern for the poor and downtrodden within the Isles (his racist opinions of the various other races in the Empire notwithstanding); however, the consensus was that the Sovereign must be both proficient in duty and honorable in character, and Edward failed on the latter count to the Establishment and subjects.  I'm not arguing that he was more or less moral from an Orthodox POV than other rulers or potential rulers (i.e. Charles and William) - most Kings of England seem to have sired illegitimate children at one point, which is why folks like Lady Di had royal blood but no succession rights.  But at least to the English standard of conduct for their rulers, Edward failed to live up to the standards of the Crown, and Charles himself seems to toe that line.

And yes, Diana did perform many of her royal duties admirably. It was an ill-advised marriage to be sure. No one suffered more than Charles and Diana themselves, especially as they have had to endure the rarely charitable "750 million" judges on their case.

Ill-advised, yet accepted by the Crown, entered into by two consenting and intelligent adults, who fully comprehended that their decision would be (rightfully, unfortunately) judged by many because of his status as the heir apparent.

Opening up a constitutional can of worms would not be a "smart" thing to do.

It depends; his accession may lead to the same debates about abandoning the monarchy as you've argued his abdication would.  In that case, which is "smarter?"

Of course, if Her Majesty lives another ten years or more, Charles will be a senior citizen himself (he's already 62), and undoubtedly William and Kate will likely fill many of the public duties. That scenario would seem to satisfy most: Charles to do the actual work of kingship with a younger face to present to the media.

We'll see.  Trivia: If Her Majesty is still on the throne in 2015, she'll become the longest-reigning monarch in English/British history, and the longest-reigning female monarch in recorded world history.
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2010, 12:16:30 PM »
I wish him well, but as an unrepentant Fenian, in the words of Billy Maddison I say, "Whoopidy Doo"!  Tiocfaidh ár lá, laddies!

Nár laga Dia do lámh !


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Ironically, Sinn Fein's original platform called for a dual monarchy.
Actually, no.  An Conradh Angla-Éireannach (The Anglo-Irish Treaty) was not accepted by many of the early Sinn Fein members.  You're confusing Sinn Fein with Fianna Fáil, the party that Eamon de Valera created in favor of The Anglo-Irish Treaty of which you speak.  If I said anything more, I'd get slapped with a warning.  And since I'm already on warning, I reckon I'll stop now.

Oops. :P
Don't be too hard on yourself.  It's a long, troubled history. :)

"Though not a monarchist himself, Griffith advocated such an approach for the Anglo-Irish relationship, namely that Ireland should become a separate kingdom alongside Great Britain, the two forming a dual monarchy with a shared monarch but separate governments, as it was thought this solution would be more palatable to the British."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Griffith

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(This was prior to the Anglo-Irish Treaty)

 This was a proposal by Arthur Griffith, but it never took off because it was an unpopular idea (this is plainly stated in the Wiki article you provided).  Ergo, I think it's quite a stretch to assert it was on Sinn Féin's original platform. 

 Disclaimer: Although I used to be a member of Friends of Sinn Féin, because of their "progressive" policies, I have distanced myself from them. 
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2010, 03:28:31 AM »
Prince Charles says Camilla may be the next queen

LONDON — Prince Charles has reopened a sensitive debate in Britain by suggesting his wife Camilla may take the title of queen when he becomes monarch.

The comments came in an interview with U.S. network NBC recorded in August and due to be broadcast later Friday.

Extracts were aired on British television and received high attention in the week Charles' son Prince William — who is second in line to the throne — announced his engagement to Kate Middleton.

Camilla legally will be queen if Charles takes the throne, but when the couple married in 2005 officials said she planned to adopt the title Princess Consort rather than the more traditional Queen Consort.

NBC's Brian Williams asked the 62-year-old heir to the throne if Camilla would become "Queen of England, if and when you become the monarch." Charles hesitated as he replied "That's, well ... We'll see won't we? That could be."

The difference is purely semantic — the role of consort carries no constitutional power. But polls have suggested there is hostility to Charles' divorced second wife, whom he married eight years after the death of Princess Diana, being called Queen Camilla.

At present Charles is Prince of Wales, but Camilla is known as Duchess of Cornwall rather than Princess of Wales — Diana's title.

Camilla was reviled by Diana-lovers as the old flame who poisoned Charles' first marriage. "There were three of us in that marriage," Diana said in a famous TV interview.

Although Diana acknowledged affairs of her own, many Britons vilified Camilla as a royal home-wrecker.

But since her marriage to Charles the British public has warmed to Camilla, who is perceived as down-to-earth and funny. Those qualities were on display this week when she greeted news of Prince William's engagement with the words: "It's wicked."

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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2010, 08:57:57 AM »
NBC's Brian Williams asked the 62-year-old heir to the throne if Camilla would become "Queen of England, if and when you become the monarch." Charles hesitated as he replied "That's, well ... We'll see won't we? That could be."
First of all, there is not now nor will there be a "Queen of England". It's like expecting Americans to elect the "President of New Jersey". One would think that Brian Williams would be better informed. I wonder what was going through the PoW's mind as he heard "if and when...."
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But since her marriage to Charles the British public has warmed to Camilla, who is perceived as down-to-earth and funny. Those qualities were on display this week when she greeted news of Prince William's engagement with the words: "It's wicked."
Camilla has been exemplary in her poise and hard work. She has my approval for whatever role she takes on in the future.

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« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2010, 12:48:47 AM »
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« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2010, 12:54:37 AM »

Bishop who said 'shallow' William and Kate's marriage would fall apart within seven years is suspended..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html#ixzz16ALNaG00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html

Freedom of thought and common sense have long been anathema within the Christian Church.

I would assume that in most any organisations an employee can't go shooting off their mouths about their employers family.
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« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2010, 12:59:39 AM »

Bishop who said 'shallow' William and Kate's marriage would fall apart within seven years is suspended..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html#ixzz16ALNaG00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html

Freedom of thought and common sense have long been anathema within the Christian Church.

I would assume that in most any organisations an employee can't go shooting off their mouths about their employers family.

When their employer happens to be the head of state, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.
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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2010, 01:05:28 AM »

Bishop who said 'shallow' William and Kate's marriage would fall apart within seven years is suspended..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html#ixzz16ALNaG00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html

Freedom of thought and common sense have long been anathema within the Christian Church.

I would assume that in most any organisations an employee can't go shooting off their mouths about their employers family.

When their employer happens to be the head of state, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.

The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a religious figure, her political responsibilities are irrelevant to her religious duties. At any rate, what really has no place in a Christian body is a senior figure who sees the need to be petty and snide. But then again, as a socialist republican he is only acting to character.
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2010, 01:07:17 AM »

Bishop who said 'shallow' William and Kate's marriage would fall apart within seven years is suspended..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html#ixzz16ALNaG00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html

Freedom of thought and common sense have long been anathema within the Christian Church.

I would assume that in most any organisations an employee can't go shooting off their mouths about their employers family.

When their employer happens to be the head of state, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.

The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a religious figure, her political responsibilities are irrelevant to her religious duties. At any rate, what really has no place in a Christian body is a senior figure who sees the need to be petty and snide. But then again, as a socialist republican he is only acting to character.

Ok, let me reprhase that

When their employer happens to be the head of state/head of a religious institution, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political/religious entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2010, 01:32:51 AM »

Bishop who said 'shallow' William and Kate's marriage would fall apart within seven years is suspended..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html#ixzz16ALNaG00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html

Freedom of thought and common sense have long been anathema within the Christian Church.

I would assume that in most any organisations an employee can't go shooting off their mouths about their employers family.

When their employer happens to be the head of state, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.

The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a religious figure, her political responsibilities are irrelevant to her religious duties. At any rate, what really has no place in a Christian body is a senior figure who sees the need to be petty and snide. But then again, as a socialist republican he is only acting to character.

Ok, let me reprhase that

When their employer happens to be the head of state/head of a religious institution, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political/religious entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.

How far would you extend this freedom of speech?? If a civil servant wanted to divulge state secrets to the enemy because they didn't like the President's ears, do you think they should go unpunished??
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2010, 03:21:01 AM »

Bishop who said 'shallow' William and Kate's marriage would fall apart within seven years is suspended..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html#ixzz16ALNaG00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html

Freedom of thought and common sense have long been anathema within the Christian Church.

I would assume that in most any organisations an employee can't go shooting off their mouths about their employers family.

When their employer happens to be the head of state, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.

A political entity deserves more respect.
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2010, 03:24:37 AM »

Bishop who said 'shallow' William and Kate's marriage would fall apart within seven years is suspended..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html#ixzz16ALNaG00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332338/Kate-Middleton-Prince-Williams-marriage-fall-apart-bishop-suspended.html

Freedom of thought and common sense have long been anathema within the Christian Church.

I would assume that in most any organisations an employee can't go shooting off their mouths about their employers family.

When their employer happens to be the head of state, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.

The Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a religious figure, her political responsibilities are irrelevant to her religious duties. At any rate, what really has no place in a Christian body is a senior figure who sees the need to be petty and snide. But then again, as a socialist republican he is only acting to character.

Ok, let me reprhase that

When their employer happens to be the head of state/head of a religious institution, they should be more than free to tear them apart They are a political/religious entity and do not deserve the respect of a private citizen.

A political/religious entity deserves way more respect!
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2010, 05:43:37 AM »
God save Her Majesty the Queen! And God bless the Royal Family.

There are few things that would bring me out onto the streets, but the defense of the Monarchy, and the enjoyment of a national celebration such as the Royal wedding are two.

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #69 on: November 24, 2010, 08:32:32 AM »
God save Her Majesty the Queen! And God bless the Royal Family.

There are few things that would bring me out onto the streets, but the defense of the Monarchy, and the enjoyment of a national celebration such as the Royal wedding are two.

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

May the Lord preserve us from republicanism and republicans.

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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2010, 07:56:59 PM »
May I say, I think the thread title is a little strange? As I understand it, Prince William has asked his fiancee to marry him before, and she has turned him down because of the unpleasant way the press act in this country. I think it is she who 'chose' him!

I hope the press do give the couple time and space to enjoy their engagement in privacy.

However, reading through this thead, I find it very sad that someone mentioned that because Prince  Charles's first wife is dead, it is therefore ok that he married another woman with whom he'd been having an affair. I just don't understand why this is acceptable. It may  be forgivable, but surely the death of the first wife cannot make adultery more acceptable, can it?


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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2010, 09:03:52 PM »
May I say, I think the thread title is a little strange? As I understand it, Prince William has asked his fiancee to marry him before, and she has turned him down because of the unpleasant way the press act in this country. I think it is she who 'chose' him!

I hope the press do give the couple time and space to enjoy their engagement in privacy.

However, reading through this thead, I find it very sad that someone mentioned that because Prince  Charles's first wife is dead, it is therefore ok that he married another woman with whom he'd been having an affair. I just don't understand why this is acceptable. It may  be forgivable, but surely the death of the first wife cannot make adultery more acceptable, can it?
I'm not sure that anyone would be condoning adultery, but the death of an (ex-)wife does free a man to marry. I don't see why that would prevent any man from marrying his mistress. For that matter, if Prince William and Kate have been cohabiting, then according to the same thinking, should HRH marry his mistress??

Liz, I doubt that the young couple will get much privacy in the next few months - make that the next few years. Back in the early 80s after Charles and Diana married, I thought that a good plan would have been to get them out of the UK for a while - as Governor-General of Canada. I know that William would be received well here, but Her Majesty just in the last couple of months has commissioned David Johnston as GG, and those appointments typically last five years.

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« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2010, 05:57:34 AM »
She really is stunning.

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« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2010, 03:22:58 PM »
[Assuming, of course, that Charles decides to be King when Mum passes.  I don't think he'd renounce his crown without ever wearing it, but it's theoretically in the field of possibility, no?

Here's Mr. Windosr's reaction to that idea:

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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2010, 03:46:26 PM »
However, reading through this thead, I find it very sad that someone mentioned that because Prince  Charles's first wife is dead, it is therefore ok that he married another woman with whom he'd been having an affair. I just don't understand why this is acceptable. It may  be forgivable, but surely the death of the first wife cannot make adultery more acceptable, can it?

My comment (I'm presuming you're referring to mine, that is) was in defense of lubeltri's insinuation that Camilla was not his wife but simply his "mistress".  Since lubeltri is Catholic, I merely pointed out that even by his own church's standards on divorce and remarriage, Camilla is simply the wife of Prince Charles, pure and simple.  With the death of Princess Diana, Prince Charles is no longer in a state of adultery. 
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« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2010, 04:48:32 PM »
However, reading through this thead, I find it very sad that someone mentioned that because Prince  Charles's first wife is dead, it is therefore ok that he married another woman with whom he'd been having an affair. I just don't understand why this is acceptable. It may  be forgivable, but surely the death of the first wife cannot make adultery more acceptable, can it?

My comment (I'm presuming you're referring to mine, that is) was in defense of lubeltri's insinuation that Camilla was not his wife but simply his "mistress".  Since lubeltri is Catholic, I merely pointed out that even by his own church's standards on divorce and remarriage, Camilla is simply the wife of Prince Charles, pure and simple.  With the death of Princess Diana, Prince Charles is no longer in a state of adultery. 
Maybe lubeltri is reffering to the fact that Camilla Shands first husband is still alive; Andrew Parker Bowles
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« Reply #77 on: December 13, 2010, 05:22:35 PM »
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« Reply #78 on: December 16, 2010, 05:49:42 AM »
She is pretty though, nice job William.
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« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2011, 03:19:14 PM »
if the wedding is anything like this i might watch it
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« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2011, 03:27:51 PM »
if the wedding is anything like this i might watch it
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« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2011, 04:15:21 PM »
no, i came accross the video and thought it was funny. i also thought some of the look alikes were pretty good..especially Camilla, Anne and Harry. For heaven's sake have a sense of humor (or humour if you prefer). If nothing else I thought ppl would like the fact that Rowen Williams is spoofed.
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« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2011, 06:47:39 PM »
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2011, 06:49:44 PM »
no, i came accross the video and thought it was funny. i also thought some of the look alikes were pretty good..especially Camilla, Anne and Harry. For heaven's sake have a sense of humor (or humour if you prefer). If nothing else I thought ppl would like the fact that Rowen Williams is spoofed.
You are quite right. It's hilarious - and you're equally right about the casting. It reminds me of something that would be done on the now defunct Canadian TV show "Royal Canadian Air Farce" (lots of clips on YouTube). We Canadians (and the Brits) are pretty good about enjoying spoofs of this sort.

BTW, I'll be serving breakfast on Friday, April 29 at about 5 a.m. EDT - it's a non-fasting week. (I think that might be due to the Prince of Wales being a covert Orthodox Christian ;))

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« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2011, 07:07:14 PM »
yeah, isn't the lady playing Camilla a dead ringer? Almost scary.

my apologies to JotN if he found the video offensive.
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Re: Prince William has chosen a new bride!
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2011, 04:35:40 PM »
May I say, I think the thread title is a little strange? As I understand it, Prince William has asked his fiancee to marry him before, and she has turned him down because of the unpleasant way the press act in this country. I think it is she who 'chose' him!

I hope the press do give the couple time and space to enjoy their engagement in privacy.

However, reading through this thead, I find it very sad that someone mentioned that because Prince  Charles's first wife is dead, it is therefore ok that he married another woman with whom he'd been having an affair. I just don't understand why this is acceptable. It may  be forgivable, but surely the death of the first wife cannot make adultery more acceptable, can it?
I'm not sure that anyone would be condoning adultery, but the death of an (ex-)wife does free a man to marry. I don't see why that would prevent any man from marrying his mistress. For that matter, if Prince William and Kate have been cohabiting, then according to the same thinking, should HRH marry his mistress??

Liz, I doubt that the young couple will get much privacy in the next few months - make that the next few years. Back in the early 80s after Charles and Diana married, I thought that a good plan would have been to get them out of the UK for a while - as Governor-General of Canada. I know that William would be received well here, but Her Majesty just in the last couple of months has commissioned David Johnston as GG, and those appointments typically last five years.


In fairness BOTH Charles and Diana were guilty of adultery. However, Camilla is Charle's wife and that's not a matter of debate but a simple fact. Like GabrieltheCelt I am an Irish Republican. However I confine my aspirations in that regard to my own country. The British have a monarchy and it suits their system of govt. Also some of the talk about the individuals who make up their Royal Family has been unpleasantly nasty.
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