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« on: November 10, 2010, 08:55:54 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 09:02:14 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

LOL. Good question.

You might want to take a look at this thread
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28972.msg481480.html#msg481480
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 09:33:22 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

Well, just a few quick points:

Baptists get their name from their belief in "believers' baptism".  They reject infant Baptism, and will rebaptize converts.  Some American Baptist denominations will even rebaptize Baptists.

Baptists reject sacraments, preferring the term "ordinances" of which they believe in two: Baptism and Communion.  Baptism doesn't really do anything at all, and Communion is a "remembrance" only.

Many Baptists of the American variety reject any sort of creed or confession, and leave beliefs up to each individual.  This can have the effect of making the above statements moot, as per each individual Baptist.

Baptists generally follow a "sola scriptura" view, though some are quick to uphold their quirkier views as being tradition.

And, as you've found out, Baptists can be very big on the whole "Are you saved?" view of salvation.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 09:35:48 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 09:49:42 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 09:49:56 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

One of these days I'm gonna do a youtube video about the history of various christian groups......the baptists being one of them. But I've been saying that for a year or two now. Still haven't done it yet.


Historically they are congregational puritan English Separatists with some influence of Mennonite Anabaptist theology. They reject infant Baptism and eventually they embraced....mostly under the later Calvinistic ones....but they would eventually embrace full immersion Baptism as well.

What kind of Baptist is he?
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 10:19:48 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

Yup, that seems to be the loophole. Were you really saved to begin with? Enter "no true scotsman" fallacy.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 10:27:42 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I was raised a Baptist, was the son of a Baptist pastor and a good sunday school teaching mother, and have been around Baptists my whole life..

But as it was said before, what do they believe? There is quite a bit of diversity, but this is the inherent in the nature of protestant traditions which are individualistic, anti-authority based interpretations of faith.  Let me pray for accuracy but this is the testimony of my upbringing.

1) Baptists believe in the absolute, literal infallibility of the Holy Bible, preferably the good King James version, and often other translations are even demonized! Reading the Bible is central to all Baptist faith, and there is no Baptist without the Bible. This does not automatically mean that all Baptists constantly read and absorb the scriptures, no many of them are quite like many other kinds of people, and do not actually read the Bible often enough, but nonetheless its stories, symbols, imagery, music and themes are a constant feature of Baptist life.  All doctrine, all sermons, and beliefs MUST be rooted and demonstrated to be so in the Bible.  Biblical accuracy is highly favored.

2) Baptists reject any kinds of clerical authorities, no Bishops or Priests or any such hierarchies, rather only a Preacher/Pastor/Reverend is the head of a local church, and he is often elected by a council.  He takes care of any legal obligations for the church, but does not directly have any kind of authority, and most Baptists resent such pretensions as authority.

3) Baptists are the most staunchly anti-Catholic anti-Holy Tradition of the Protestants.  They reject all things remotely Popish as being quite literally from the devil.  This includes veneration of the Virgin, or the Saints, or even the Apostles. Also included are prayer books and Mass services. They often misinterpret these kinds of things to be against Scripture, but I do not honestly see how they can justify this in plain evidence of several passages.

4) Communion is a symbolic commemoration, the Real Presence is fundamentally rejected by all Baptists, and in fact is considered highly superstitious.

5)  Old Testament Old Testament Old Testament

6) fire and brimstone fire and brimstone fire and brimstone.  Everything is about going to Hell, Baptists are often more consumed with thoughts of Eternal Damnation and Hellfire then the Devil himself!

7) Good food and good music is the heart of worship in the Baptist community and the center of fellowship.

Cool For God and Country, most Baptists are vitriolically Patriotic and nationalistic, and many are fervent Zionists to boot!

This is all I can think of this limited time, I much like the way many folks refer to their Catholic upbringing, am a recovering Baptist (we both got a lot of baggage) Wink
This is not to say Baptists are bad people, no I say a lot of the above with a hint of innocent jest, and there is  a lot of piety, faith and wisdom in Baptists.  They love the Bible, and many pastors learn to study it in several languages such as Greek and Hebrew, and they have a thorough understanding of it.  Further, living in an unstructured religious environment, the people cling to faith with such tenacity that it is truly admirable.  Orthodox provide a structure, a lifestyle, a calendar, a rule book, a Holy Tradition, all of which the Baptists reject openly.  If anything, I'd say the definition of Baptists it to live in the realms of spiritual inspiration, this is why they are often called Charismatic Christians.  
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 10:38:28 PM »

See, I thought some baptists did believe in certain other categories of the clergy, because for whatever reason I though Bishop T.D. Jakes was a baptist, but when I went to check I saw that he isn't. Um... so you can ignore my ramblings, just wanted to post to say thanks for starting the thread.
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what exactly do Baptists believe?

As others have said, ask him what type of Baptist he is. From there we can perhaps look for something confessional from his sect.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 11:48:51 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."
btw, the Orthodox answer is "I am being saved."
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 12:42:52 AM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."
btw, the Orthodox answer is "I am being saved."
ah, yes!  I was thinking of that beautiful hymn that says "work out your salvation with fear and trembling".
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ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

So many different baptist denominations that one can not define what their beliefs are, but Wikipedia does has a useful generalization:

   •   Bible is final authority
   •   Autonomy of the local church
   •   Priesthood of all believers
   •   Two ordinances (believer's baptism and the Lord's Supper)
   •   Individual soul liberty
   •   Separation of Church and State
   •   Two offices of the church (pastor-elder and deacon)

When I was a Baptist, I could not reconcile the stated beliefs and reality. For example, the autonomous local church stated Baptism is not a Sacrament but it is required and must be in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But they stated Baptism is only symbolic. This Baptist church stated Communion is not a sacrament, but one is to be baptized and pray a prayer of repentance before communing. However, children that were not allowed to be baptized because of their age could commune. The communion was known as the Lord's Supper and was comprised of crackers and grape juice. However, the Communion service was mostly compromised of a Scripture reading where the minister quotes "This is my Body" and "This is my Blood". They stated communion is only symbolic. Infants were not Baptized, but instead were presented to the church in a dedication ceremony with prayers for the child and parents. Sorry, but I could not resist posting a few of my past experiences to this thread. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 02:48:13 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I was raised a Baptist, was the son of a Baptist pastor and a good sunday school teaching mother, and have been around Baptists my whole life..

But as it was said before, what do they believe? There is quite a bit of diversity, but this is the inherent in the nature of protestant traditions which are individualistic, anti-authority based interpretations of faith.  Let me pray for accuracy but this is the testimony of my upbringing.

1) Baptists believe in the absolute, literal infallibility of the Holy Bible, preferably the good King James version, and often other translations are even demonized! Reading the Bible is central to all Baptist faith, and there is no Baptist without the Bible. This does not automatically mean that all Baptists constantly read and absorb the scriptures, no many of them are quite like many other kinds of people, and do not actually read the Bible often enough, but nonetheless its stories, symbols, imagery, music and themes are a constant feature of Baptist life.  All doctrine, all sermons, and beliefs MUST be rooted and demonstrated to be so in the Bible.  Biblical accuracy is highly favored.

2) Baptists reject any kinds of clerical authorities, no Bishops or Priests or any such hierarchies, rather only a Preacher/Pastor/Reverend is the head of a local church, and he is often elected by a council.  He takes care of any legal obligations for the church, but does not directly have any kind of authority, and most Baptists resent such pretensions as authority.

3) Baptists are the most staunchly anti-Catholic anti-Holy Tradition of the Protestants.  They reject all things remotely Popish as being quite literally from the devil.  This includes veneration of the Virgin, or the Saints, or even the Apostles. Also included are prayer books and Mass services. They often misinterpret these kinds of things to be against Scripture, but I do not honestly see how they can justify this in plain evidence of several passages.

4) Communion is a symbolic commemoration, the Real Presence is fundamentally rejected by all Baptists, and in fact is considered highly superstitious.

5)  Old Testament Old Testament Old Testament

6) fire and brimstone fire and brimstone fire and brimstone.  Everything is about going to Hell, Baptists are often more consumed with thoughts of Eternal Damnation and Hellfire then the Devil himself!

7) Good food and good music is the heart of worship in the Baptist community and the center of fellowship.

Cool For God and Country, most Baptists are vitriolically Patriotic and nationalistic, and many are fervent Zionists to boot!

This is all I can think of this limited time, I much like the way many folks refer to their Catholic upbringing, am a recovering Baptist (we both got a lot of baggage) Wink
This is not to say Baptists are bad people, no I say a lot of the above with a hint of innocent jest, and there is  a lot of piety, faith and wisdom in Baptists.  They love the Bible, and many pastors learn to study it in several languages such as Greek and Hebrew, and they have a thorough understanding of it.  Further, living in an unstructured religious environment, the people cling to faith with such tenacity that it is truly admirable.  Orthodox provide a structure, a lifestyle, a calendar, a rule book, a Holy Tradition, all of which the Baptists reject openly.  If anything, I'd say the definition of Baptists it to live in the realms of spiritual inspiration, this is why they are often called Charismatic Christians.  
stay blessed,
habte selassie

Another great post.

Trevor if you are in the States, this is the best summation I've read here having grown up "Baptist". But there are some varieties. "Southern Baptists" are a bit different than the staunchly independent Baptists.

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 03:47:30 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I was raised a Baptist, was the son of a Baptist pastor and a good sunday school teaching mother, and have been around Baptists my whole life..

But as it was said before, what do they believe? There is quite a bit of diversity, but this is the inherent in the nature of protestant traditions which are individualistic, anti-authority based interpretations of faith.  Let me pray for accuracy but this is the testimony of my upbringing.

1) Baptists believe in the absolute, literal infallibility of the Holy Bible, preferably the good King James version, and often other translations are even demonized! Reading the Bible is central to all Baptist faith, and there is no Baptist without the Bible. This does not automatically mean that all Baptists constantly read and absorb the scriptures, no many of them are quite like many other kinds of people, and do not actually read the Bible often enough, but nonetheless its stories, symbols, imagery, music and themes are a constant feature of Baptist life.  All doctrine, all sermons, and beliefs MUST be rooted and demonstrated to be so in the Bible.  Biblical accuracy is highly favored.

2) Baptists reject any kinds of clerical authorities, no Bishops or Priests or any such hierarchies, rather only a Preacher/Pastor/Reverend is the head of a local church, and he is often elected by a council.  He takes care of any legal obligations for the church, but does not directly have any kind of authority, and most Baptists resent such pretensions as authority.

3) Baptists are the most staunchly anti-Catholic anti-Holy Tradition of the Protestants.  They reject all things remotely Popish as being quite literally from the devil.  This includes veneration of the Virgin, or the Saints, or even the Apostles. Also included are prayer books and Mass services. They often misinterpret these kinds of things to be against Scripture, but I do not honestly see how they can justify this in plain evidence of several passages.

4) Communion is a symbolic commemoration, the Real Presence is fundamentally rejected by all Baptists, and in fact is considered highly superstitious.

5)  Old Testament Old Testament Old Testament

6) fire and brimstone fire and brimstone fire and brimstone.  Everything is about going to Hell, Baptists are often more consumed with thoughts of Eternal Damnation and Hellfire then the Devil himself!

7) Good food and good music is the heart of worship in the Baptist community and the center of fellowship.

Cool For God and Country, most Baptists are vitriolically Patriotic and nationalistic, and many are fervent Zionists to boot!

This is all I can think of this limited time, I much like the way many folks refer to their Catholic upbringing, am a recovering Baptist (we both got a lot of baggage) Wink
This is not to say Baptists are bad people, no I say a lot of the above with a hint of innocent jest, and there is  a lot of piety, faith and wisdom in Baptists.  They love the Bible, and many pastors learn to study it in several languages such as Greek and Hebrew, and they have a thorough understanding of it.  Further, living in an unstructured religious environment, the people cling to faith with such tenacity that it is truly admirable.  Orthodox provide a structure, a lifestyle, a calendar, a rule book, a Holy Tradition, all of which the Baptists reject openly.  If anything, I'd say the definition of Baptists it to live in the realms of spiritual inspiration, this is why they are often called Charismatic Christians.  
stay blessed,
habte selassie


I agree with this assessment. Very well stated. When I first became a Christian (when I was supposedly "saved"), I joined Charles Stanley's church in Atlanta, Ga, where I was a member for about 5 years. The only thing I would add is that Baptists are very anti-Charismatic; that is, they completely reject any idea of speaking in tongues, etc.

My brother-in-law is the pastor of a "Fundamentalist Baptist" church. That's the actual name of his denomination- Funadmantalist Baptist. They make Southern Baptists seem like flaming liberals in comparison. So you can imagine the theological impasse that he and I face.


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ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I was raised a Baptist, was the son of a Baptist pastor and a good sunday school teaching mother, and have been around Baptists my whole life..

But as it was said before, what do they believe? There is quite a bit of diversity, but this is the inherent in the nature of protestant traditions which are individualistic, anti-authority based interpretations of faith.  Let me pray for accuracy but this is the testimony of my upbringing.

1) Baptists believe in the absolute, literal infallibility of the Holy Bible, preferably the good King James version, and often other translations are even demonized! Reading the Bible is central to all Baptist faith, and there is no Baptist without the Bible. This does not automatically mean that all Baptists constantly read and absorb the scriptures, no many of them are quite like many other kinds of people, and do not actually read the Bible often enough, but nonetheless its stories, symbols, imagery, music and themes are a constant feature of Baptist life.  All doctrine, all sermons, and beliefs MUST be rooted and demonstrated to be so in the Bible.  Biblical accuracy is highly favored.

2) Baptists reject any kinds of clerical authorities, no Bishops or Priests or any such hierarchies, rather only a Preacher/Pastor/Reverend is the head of a local church, and he is often elected by a council.  He takes care of any legal obligations for the church, but does not directly have any kind of authority, and most Baptists resent such pretensions as authority.

3) Baptists are the most staunchly anti-Catholic anti-Holy Tradition of the Protestants.  They reject all things remotely Popish as being quite literally from the devil.  This includes veneration of the Virgin, or the Saints, or even the Apostles. Also included are prayer books and Mass services. They often misinterpret these kinds of things to be against Scripture, but I do not honestly see how they can justify this in plain evidence of several passages.

4) Communion is a symbolic commemoration, the Real Presence is fundamentally rejected by all Baptists, and in fact is considered highly superstitious.

5)  Old Testament Old Testament Old Testament

6) fire and brimstone fire and brimstone fire and brimstone.  Everything is about going to Hell, Baptists are often more consumed with thoughts of Eternal Damnation and Hellfire then the Devil himself!

7) Good food and good music is the heart of worship in the Baptist community and the center of fellowship.

Cool For God and Country, most Baptists are vitriolically Patriotic and nationalistic, and many are fervent Zionists to boot!

This is all I can think of this limited time, I much like the way many folks refer to their Catholic upbringing, am a recovering Baptist (we both got a lot of baggage) Wink
This is not to say Baptists are bad people, no I say a lot of the above with a hint of innocent jest, and there is  a lot of piety, faith and wisdom in Baptists.  They love the Bible, and many pastors learn to study it in several languages such as Greek and Hebrew, and they have a thorough understanding of it.  Further, living in an unstructured religious environment, the people cling to faith with such tenacity that it is truly admirable.  Orthodox provide a structure, a lifestyle, a calendar, a rule book, a Holy Tradition, all of which the Baptists reject openly.  If anything, I'd say the definition of Baptists it to live in the realms of spiritual inspiration, this is why they are often called Charismatic Christians.  
stay blessed,
habte selassie

How is this different from Ana-Baptist?
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Trevor if you are in the States, this is the best summation I've read here having grown up "Baptist". But there are some varieties. "Southern Baptists" are a bit different than the staunchly independent Baptists.



true, Southern Baptists have a heirarchical structure, and also are a bit less conservative socially than independents.  But they generally agree with the tenets and culture of American Baptists..



How is this different from Ana-Baptist?


Anabaptists were a particular branch of sectarian Protestants in Europe who went to colonial America and remained its own, organized denomination through the 19th century.  The independent and Southern Baptists who evolved out of the Southern and Apalachian regions of the US in the late 19th and early 20th century are staunchly independent from the Anabaptists, and often resent being associated with the historical Anabaptists and even think of the term as perjorative.  Anabaptists though, are indeed the origin of American Baptists and had a prevalent role in colonial and early American history, but whatever socio-political reasons, independent Baptist congregations rejected their Anabaptist connections and lineage, and continually splinter off.  Many baptists feel a close relation to the 1st century Church and believe they are following a purified way, some also feel connected with the Puritans and the Pilgrims, though this is not accurate in the sense historicity.
Anabaptists were called so because they believed in rebaptism of Catholics and Anglicans, and rejected fully infant baptism, believing baptism not a mystical Sacrament, but rather a conscious decision of free will, reserved for those of age.

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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2010, 04:56:39 PM »



Trevor if you are in the States, this is the best summation I've read here having grown up "Baptist". But there are some varieties. "Southern Baptists" are a bit different than the staunchly independent Baptists.



true, Southern Baptists have a heirarchical structure, and also are a bit less conservative socially than independents.  But they generally agree with the tenets and culture of American Baptists..



I don't know if I would consider the Southern Baptists to have a "hierarchical" structure.  There is the Southern Baptist Convention, which occasionally rules on matters of dogma (though far more often politics), but the rulings of the Convention aren't really binding in any sense of the word.  It generally exists more as a way of coordinating missionary efforts than anything else.

I also don't know if they could be considered "less conservative" than the Independent Baptists, but that could just be because my only exposure to the Independent Baptists was at those times that my family lived in the North, far away from a Southern Baptist church (People from the North being generally more "liberal" than those from the South). 
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2010, 09:50:20 PM »

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Anabaptists were a particular branch of sectarian Protestants in Europe who went to colonial America and remained its own, organized denomination through the 19th century.  The independent and Southern Baptists who evolved out of the Southern and Apalachian regions of the US in the late 19th and early 20th century are staunchly independent from the Anabaptists, and often resent being associated with the historical Anabaptists and even think of the term as perjorative.  Anabaptists though, are indeed the origin of American Baptists and had a prevalent role in colonial and early American history, but whatever socio-political reasons, independent Baptist congregations rejected their Anabaptist connections and lineage, and continually splinter off.  Many baptists feel a close relation to the 1st century Church and believe they are following a purified way, some also feel connected with the Puritans and the Pilgrims, though this is not accurate in the sense historicity.
Anabaptists were called so because they believed in rebaptism of Catholics and Anglicans, and rejected fully infant baptism, believing baptism not a mystical Sacrament, but rather a conscious decision of free will, reserved for those of age.

I'm glad my baptist upbringing has some benefit here Smiley
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I had always thought Southern and to a slight less extent Independent Baptists* embraced Anabaptistism. I really don't know where Reformed Baptist churches originated as a unique belief and group originated from.
*The one and only Independent Baptist Fred Phelps openly hates Arminianism so here we have another example of how sometimes precise categorization is diificult
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2010, 10:59:20 PM »

From what I've seen, the modern branches of anabaptism- Mennonites, Amish, Brethren- don't seem to be terribly nationalistic.
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2010, 11:09:38 PM »

I had always thought Southern and to a slight less extent Independent Baptists* embraced Anabaptistism. I really don't know where Reformed Baptist churches originated as a unique belief and group originated from.
*The one and only Independent Baptist Fred Phelps openly hates Arminianism so here we have another example of how sometimes precise categorization is diificult

Most Southern Baptists (during the time I was growing up, this may not reflect current SB teaching) who reject the Anabaptist descent do so out of an adherence to Landmarkism, a sort of psuedo-Apostolic descent.  They claim that the Baptist church is a descendant of the New Testament Church through various lines that had nothing to do with the "official" Church (that is, the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church).  They will trace their lineage through the Anabaptists to the Waldensians, from the Waldensians to the Donatists and Novatianists.  This is the same line of thought that leads many Baptists to reject the term "Protestant".
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2010, 11:59:39 PM »

From what I've seen, the modern branches of anabaptism- Mennonites, Amish, Brethren- don't seem to be terribly nationalistic.

This is my understanding as well. In fact, many are anti-nationalistic. As for Baptists..I was raised Missionary Baptist here in the heart of the Appalachians, which means that by default the Southern Baptist Convention holds much sway. The excellent summary post above seems to have covered the majority of tenets of the Baptist doctrine in my experience as well. The other comments that they are typically anti-Catholic and anti-Pentecostal/Charismatic would be quite accurate as well. I have always had difficulty in agreeing with their doctrine's in light of many contradictory passages from what they taught. Of course, this same issue arose in the current church I am exiting, a pentecostal Church of God....what the scripture and Church history tells us, and what we see the faith being carried out are two separate things. I give God all praise for opening my eyes, and leading me to the one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic True Church!
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Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2010, 01:03:11 PM »

I had always thought Southern and to a slight less extent Independent Baptists* embraced Anabaptistism. I really don't know where Reformed Baptist churches originated as a unique belief and group originated from.
*The one and only Independent Baptist Fred Phelps openly hates Arminianism so here we have another example of how sometimes precise categorization is diificult

Most Southern Baptists (during the time I was growing up, this may not reflect current SB teaching) who reject the Anabaptist descent do so out of an adherence to Landmarkism, a sort of psuedo-Apostolic descent.  They claim that the Baptist church is a descendant of the New Testament Church through various lines that had nothing to do with the "official" Church (that is, the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church).  They will trace their lineage through the Anabaptists to the Waldensians, from the Waldensians to the Donatists and Novatianists.  This is the same line of thought that leads many Baptists to reject the term "Protestant".
LOL. The gnostic succession of heretics vs. the preached Apostolic Succession. Guess which is the sure bet.
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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2010, 01:16:58 PM »

See, I thought some baptists did believe in certain other categories of the clergy, because for whatever reason I though Bishop T.D. Jakes was a baptist, but when I went to check I saw that he isn't. Um... so you can ignore my ramblings, just wanted to post to say thanks for starting the thread.

I think you meant Bishop Eddie Long. He is or was part of the missionary Baptist denom. The full gospel missionary baptist denom also have bishops.

Bishop T.D. Jakes was raised as a Oneness Pentecostal in the P.A.W.(Pentecostal Assemblies of the World) denom.

He probably wants to be seen as a nondenominational mega church now, but who knows.

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2010, 01:21:13 PM »

I had always thought Southern and to a slight less extent Independent Baptists* embraced Anabaptistism. I really don't know where Reformed Baptist churches originated as a unique belief and group originated from.
*The one and only Independent Baptist Fred Phelps openly hates Arminianism so here we have another example of how sometimes precise categorization is diificult

Most Southern Baptists (during the time I was growing up, this may not reflect current SB teaching) who reject the Anabaptist descent do so out of an adherence to Landmarkism, a sort of psuedo-Apostolic descent.  They claim that the Baptist church is a descendant of the New Testament Church through various lines that had nothing to do with the "official" Church (that is, the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church).  They will trace their lineage through the Anabaptists to the Waldensians, from the Waldensians to the Donatists and Novatianists.  This is the same line of thought that leads many Baptists to reject the term "Protestant".

True! When I was little I recall both my mom as well as one of the deacons telling me that we baptists came from John the Baptist.
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2010, 02:37:48 PM »

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Anabaptists were a particular branch of sectarian Protestants in Europe who went to colonial America and remained its own, organized denomination through the 19th century.  The independent and Southern Baptists who evolved out of the Southern and Apalachian regions of the US in the late 19th and early 20th century are staunchly independent from the Anabaptists, and often resent being associated with the historical Anabaptists and even think of the term as perjorative.  Anabaptists though, are indeed the origin of American Baptists and had a prevalent role in colonial and early American history, but whatever socio-political reasons, independent Baptist congregations rejected their Anabaptist connections and lineage, and continually splinter off.  Many baptists feel a close relation to the 1st century Church and believe they are following a purified way, some also feel connected with the Puritans and the Pilgrims, though this is not accurate in the sense historicity.
Anabaptists were called so because they believed in rebaptism of Catholics and Anglicans, and rejected fully infant baptism, believing baptism not a mystical Sacrament, but rather a conscious decision of free will, reserved for those of age.

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I had always thought Southern and to a slight less extent Independent Baptists* embraced Anabaptistism. I really don't know where Reformed Baptist churches originated as a unique belief and group originated from.
*The one and only Independent Baptist Fred Phelps openly hates Arminianism so here we have another example of how sometimes precise categorization is diificult


I'm sorry but the history in that quote isn't accurate. The link between Anabaptists and Baptists is weak (John Smyth, Thomas Helwys and company...around 1610 A.D.). This line of Baptists(general baptists and yes they came from English Separatism too) were influenced by the Mennonite Anabaptists but they didn't practice water Baptism by full immersion when they first began(the later particular Baptists would practice and teach it first). They practiced it by pouring. They were also more Arminian in theology and later on they became liberal and I think Uniterian? Hmm, I gotta double check my sources, but yeah, the American Baptists didn't come from them.

Baptists in America came from the English Separatist link by way of Henry Jacob and company. This group of English Baptists were called Particular Baptists(because they were Calvinistic), and they first began to exist some decades after Thomas Helwys's general Baptist group. Like around 1640 or 1680 A.D.....I forgot the exact date. But it was from this group of Baptists that the teaching and practice of Baptism by full immersion would eventually come about.


In America Roger Williams (the 17th century) is seen as being the one who started the first Baptist church in North America. As well as the one who started the colony Rhode Island. Other English Separatists as well as English particular Baptist separatists (in the 17th century) would migrate from England to the Americas. Setting up churches not only in New England, but also in the Mid-Atlantic, and South.

This is where American Baptist churches come from.

I will have to do a youtube video about this. ....well, one of these days.
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2010, 02:56:39 PM »

ok, so I know they are a pretty old Protestant denomination, but I don't know more than that.  he was part of an evangelical Christian club that I've since dropped.  he kept talking about when he was "saved".  he asked me when I was saved, and I responded with "Not sure, I'm still working that out."

he likes to talk with me because he says I'm one of the few people who are practicing Christians, and don't just carry the title.

this kid is the son of a Baptist pastor.

what exactly do Baptists believe?

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

I was raised a Baptist, was the son of a Baptist pastor and a good sunday school teaching mother, and have been around Baptists my whole life..

But as it was said before, what do they believe? There is quite a bit of diversity, but this is the inherent in the nature of protestant traditions which are individualistic, anti-authority based interpretations of faith.  Let me pray for accuracy but this is the testimony of my upbringing.

1) Baptists believe in the absolute, literal infallibility of the Holy Bible, preferably the good King James version, and often other translations are even demonized! Reading the Bible is central to all Baptist faith, and there is no Baptist without the Bible. This does not automatically mean that all Baptists constantly read and absorb the scriptures, no many of them are quite like many other kinds of people, and do not actually read the Bible often enough, but nonetheless its stories, symbols, imagery, music and themes are a constant feature of Baptist life.  All doctrine, all sermons, and beliefs MUST be rooted and demonstrated to be so in the Bible.  Biblical accuracy is highly favored.

2) Baptists reject any kinds of clerical authorities, no Bishops or Priests or any such hierarchies, rather only a Preacher/Pastor/Reverend is the head of a local church, and he is often elected by a council.  He takes care of any legal obligations for the church, but does not directly have any kind of authority, and most Baptists resent such pretensions as authority.

3) Baptists are the most staunchly anti-Catholic anti-Holy Tradition of the Protestants.  They reject all things remotely Popish as being quite literally from the devil.  This includes veneration of the Virgin, or the Saints, or even the Apostles. Also included are prayer books and Mass services. They often misinterpret these kinds of things to be against Scripture, but I do not honestly see how they can justify this in plain evidence of several passages.

4) Communion is a symbolic commemoration, the Real Presence is fundamentally rejected by all Baptists, and in fact is considered highly superstitious.

5)  Old Testament Old Testament Old Testament

6) fire and brimstone fire and brimstone fire and brimstone.  Everything is about going to Hell, Baptists are often more consumed with thoughts of Eternal Damnation and Hellfire then the Devil himself!

7) Good food and good music is the heart of worship in the Baptist community and the center of fellowship.

Cool For God and Country, most Baptists are vitriolically Patriotic and nationalistic, and many are fervent Zionists to boot!

This is all I can think of this limited time, I much like the way many folks refer to their Catholic upbringing, am a recovering Baptist (we both got a lot of baggage) Wink
This is not to say Baptists are bad people, no I say a lot of the above with a hint of innocent jest, and there is  a lot of piety, faith and wisdom in Baptists.  They love the Bible, and many pastors learn to study it in several languages such as Greek and Hebrew, and they have a thorough understanding of it.  Further, living in an unstructured religious environment, the people cling to faith with such tenacity that it is truly admirable.  Orthodox provide a structure, a lifestyle, a calendar, a rule book, a Holy Tradition, all of which the Baptists reject openly.  If anything, I'd say the definition of Baptists it to live in the realms of spiritual inspiration, this is why they are often called Charismatic Christians.  
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I agree with this assessment. Very well stated. When I first became a Christian (when I was supposedly "saved"), I joined Charles Stanley's church in Atlanta, Ga, where I was a member for about 5 years. The only thing I would add is that Baptists are very anti-Charismatic; that is, they completely reject any idea of speaking in tongues, etc.

My brother-in-law is the pastor of a "Fundamentalist Baptist" church. That's the actual name of his denomination- Funadmantalist Baptist. They make Southern Baptists seem like flaming liberals in comparison. So you can imagine the theological impasse that he and I face.


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Hmm, I don't know when his particular Baptist group began, but I do know that alot of "Fundamentalist" protestant groups/churches started to pop up around the late 19th century to early 20th century.

The Baptist Bible Fellowsip International

The Baptist Missionary Association of America

and the Berean Fundamental Church

are just a few, but a good number of "Fundamentalist" protestant denominations popped up around that time period.
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2010, 03:21:07 PM »

One of my students, who is also my Facebook friend, wrote this about herself in the section of the prophile called, "Religious Beliefs": "I am very Baptist. I like my chicken fried and my mashed potatoes covered with thick gravy." Smiley

This is irony, of course (BTW, she actually is a very devout Southern Baptist), but there is some truth to the statement that in the USA, being Baptist is associated with a certain lifestyle, habits, social and cultural values rather than with a certain theology.

As far as I, a diletant, see, some of the key points that characterize Baptists in the USA are these:

1. They believe in the principle, "once saved, always saved." According to Baptists, the moment you confessed with your lips in the presence of other people that Jesus is your Lord and Savior, you are saved and you are going to Heaven. Nothing can change that. Even if you fall into the vilest of sins after your confession, you are still saved and you are still going to Heaven. Some Baptist pastors, like late Rev. Dr. Adrian Rogers, call it "going to Heaven as a second-class passenger,' but it is still going to heaven and nowhere else.

2. The Bible is the inerrant Word of God that must be understood literally unless the Bible itself calls for understanding of its certain parts as allegory. The Old Testament is completely historical, just like the New. No other sources of the theological truth - no confessions, no creeds, no church council documents, no icons or any other religious images, no hagiography; extremely simple, plain church architecture.

3. Completely improvised Sunday service; no liturgy as such. The service includes singing of the hymns and a sermon by a pulpit minister. Musical instruments are OK and often even encouraged (in my town's First baptist Church there is almost a symphonic orchestra and a choir that sings oratories, which resemble me, who grew up in the former USSR, oratories sung in the USSR praising the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and our bright Communist future.Smiley)

4. Only adult "believer's Baptism."

5. Complete abstinence from alcohol. Frowning on "worldly entertainment," especially on dancing.

6. Generally conservative, "laissez-faire" small government - low taxes - free firearms sale view of the world.

7. American patriotism, including the full support of the military.
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2010, 03:21:46 PM »

Some info about the Fundamentalist Baptist denomination. Scary stuff.

http://www.baptistdeception.com/hello-world/



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I don't know if I would consider the Southern Baptists to have a "hierarchical" structure.  There is the Southern Baptist Convention, which occasionally rules on matters of dogma (though far more often politics), but the rulings of the Convention aren't really binding in any sense of the word.  It generally exists more as a way of coordinating missionary efforts than anything else.

I also don't know if they could be considered "less conservative" than the Independent Baptists, but that could just be because my only exposure to the Independent Baptists was at those times that my family lived in the North, far away from a Southern Baptist church (People from the North being generally more "liberal" than those from the South).  

The Convention of Southern Baptists is almost a kind of Synod, and it determines the legitimacy of many Baptist churches and clergy, and to be scoffed or anathematized by this Convention is tantamount to excommunication in many Baptist circles.  That is what I meant by hierarchical, in that the Convention grants legitimacy and organization to Baptists.  It is not strictly enforced as in Orthodox/Catholic, the mandates of the Convention serve more as guidelines, but for all intents and purposes, in many Baptist communities the decisions of the Convention run the show.



I had always thought Southern and to a slight less extent Independent Baptists* embraced Anabaptistism. I really don't know where Reformed Baptist churches originated as a unique belief and group originated from.
*The one and only Independent Baptist Fred Phelps openly hates Arminianism so here we have another example of how sometimes precise categorization is difficult

Some perhaps, not it was not common amongst the several baptist churches I fellowshiped with growing up and even up until my adulthood.  I fellowshipped with baptist churches up until my Orthodox baptism when I was then excommunicated from my family church and kindly asked to leave Sad

From what I've seen, the modern branches of Anabaptist- Mennonites, Amish, Brethren- don't seem to be terribly nationalistic.
They are not, in fact Mennonites and Amish are staunchly ANTI-nationalistic, but I would say that perhaps this is part of what contributes to the split away of independent Baptists from their Anabaptist brethren.  

I had always thought Southern and to a slight less extent Independent Baptists* embraced Anabaptistism. I really don't know where Reformed Baptist churches originated as a unique belief and group originated from.
*The one and only Independent Baptist Fred Phelps openly hates Arminianism so here we have another example of how sometimes precise categorization is difficult

Most Southern Baptists (during the time I was growing up, this may not reflect current SB teaching) who reject the Anabaptist descent do so out of an adherence to Landmarkism, a sort of psuedo-Apostolic descent.  They claim that the Baptist church is a descendant of the New Testament Church through various lines that had nothing to do with the "official" Church (that is, the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church).  They will trace their lineage through the Anabaptists to the Waldensians, from the Waldensians to the Donatists and Novatianists.  This is the same line of thought that leads many Baptists to reject the term "Protestant".


BRILLIANT POST! That is exactly it.  Independent baptists believe themselves to be the true holders of Apostolic Succession, which is actually quite confusing because it is not in the literal sense, but the spiritual.  If you were to press a Baptist preacher or thumper to it, they would confess that there is no such thing as Apostolic Succession as understood by the Orthodox, as a continuous, unbroken line to the Apostle's confirmed in the Holy Spirit by the laying of hands and anointing.  Our clergy is linked literally by hand to the Apostles, where as the pseudo-Apostolic Succession of the independent baptists is more from a doctrinal interpretation, which is to say that baptists believe their churches, particularly those who meet in houses (common in the South) and not formal buildings, follow the truest manifestation of the Way, and that the tenets of independent baptists are directly the same as the Early Church.  The Baptists I grew up with, including my mother, virulently resent being called Protestants, even though it is the very definition of their faith (ie, to Protest the Roman Church) as they reject any connections with the historic protestant denominations, rather as you pointed out, follow a slippery slope that basically infers that today's independent baptist congregations have DIRECT (albeit loosely) connections to the VARIOUS Protestant and Reform movements of the history of the Roman Catholic Church.  Basically, a good Baptist will ideally find himself anywhere in the history books of Europe where there was a reform or separatist movement in the Catholic Church.  The real origin of the Baptists schism is over the doctrine of Sprinkling  Baptism.  Many "Baptist" movements arose in Europe during the 14th century after several councils recognized Sprinkling as perfectly legitimate baptisms, where as previously the Church had practiced triple immersion unless circumstances prohibited it.  The problem was that socio-culturally, Sprinkling erupted like a wildfire across Europe and many sincere Christians felt shortchanged.  It is a major beginning to the Reform movements that sparked the Protestant Reformation, as not only did it reflect a change in Dogma and Practice which offended the sentiments of many Churchgoers, but also reflects the decline moral state of apostasy in Rome which Calvin and Luther most vehemently opposed.  The irony of history is that initially it was not doctrine which separated the Protestants from the Catholics, it was morality and money.  The Protestants were sincere Catholics, from England to Spain to the Netherlands to Germany and France, but they were held under the sway of many morally and financially corrupt clergy from Rome.  This motivated many wealthy princes to literally capitalize on this socio-cultural situation, and to seize the moment and declare independence from the Latin Church and its clergy, sometimes for spiritual purposes, often times for financial gain (after all for example the Dutch were merchants and bankers, as were many French and Italians, who bitterly resented Church intrusion into economic spheres through tithe, taxes and usury laws).

In  other words, Baptist history is a combination of sincere pious reflection amongst the populace and its merging or exploitation by the financial and political leadership who began to flex their clout and move away from the control of Rome.

From what I've seen, the modern branches of anabaptism- Mennonites, Amish, Brethren- don't seem to be terribly nationalistic.

This is my understanding as well. In fact, many are anti-nationalistic. As for Baptists..I was raised Missionary Baptist here in the heart of the Appalachians, which means that by default the Southern Baptist Convention holds much sway. The excellent summary post above seems to have covered the majority of tenets of the Baptist doctrine in my experience as well. The other comments that they are typically anti-Catholic and anti-Pentecostal/Charismatic would be quite accurate as well. I have always had difficulty in agreeing with their doctrine's in light of many contradictory passages from what they taught. Of course, this same issue arose in the current church I am exiting, a pentecostal Church of God....what the scripture and Church history tells us, and what we see the faith being carried out are two separate things. I give God all praise for opening my eyes, and leading me to the one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic True Church!
Ahh the Appalachian churches, I also grew up, though here in Los Angeles, in Appalachian Missionary Baptist communities, which thrived in several places across the state.  We used to go to revivals many times a year, and it was good, fun and edifying.  Baptists as I said before, have good food and fellowship, and delightful worship music. We were so independent though, that we and several of our sister churches were all kicked out of the Convention (well this was in the Reagan days when the Convention was more a political pep rally anyways) and we thrived in our opposition to the Convention.  Amongst the spurned independent Baptists, the Convention of Southern Baptists became no different than the Vatican, and all the anti-Pope doctrines/sermons/ideas of the Baptists became readily applied to the Convention as well..

  Unfortunately the independent streak of their movement tends to breed self-righteousness, finger pointing, and PRIDE, the very antithesis of Orthodox worship Sad I went Orthodox because it was the CURE ALL to the negative aspects of my Baptist upbringing, though I still resent fire and brimstone, even from my priest or from the Church Fathers. I've come to accept that fire and brimstone preaching is not only from Baptists, it tends to be universally Christian.

I LOVE THIS THREAD. It has me so nostalgic and reminiscent of the past, I need to go hug my momma and hear one of here dear sweet songs to my soul..  Wink
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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2010, 03:49:02 PM »

I still think Charles Stanley is a great preacher. I would never recommend anyone listening to him though, since his ideas are so unOrthodox. But I know he loves Christ, as do many Baptists, Protestants, and Catholics. I don't mind "fire and brimstone" as long as it's directed against the right things. Call down fire upon ideas and evil practices, but don't call down fire upon people! Some of these Fundamentalist preachers seem to take great pleasure in preaching people into hell.


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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2010, 06:10:30 PM »

Grew up a Southern Baptist.  To this point, I've been Baptist for a far greater portion of my life than I've been Orthodox.  For a very clear exposition of what Baptists (of the Southern type, at least) believe, check out:

http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp

This is The Baptist Faith and Message, and any SBer who says they aren't familiar with it hasn't been spending much time in their actual church.
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2010, 07:05:49 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

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...and Baptists don't recognize each other in strip clubs or bars.
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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2010, 07:40:58 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

An Orthodox friend told me this joke once:

(I'm probably ruining it)
Orthodox and RC's don't recognize each other's Bishops.
RC's and Protestant's don't recognize each other's Sacraments.
...and Baptists don't recognize each other in strip clubs or bars.


Lol! Grin


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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2010, 09:35:49 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

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Orthodox and RC's don't recognize each other's Bishops.
RC's and Protestant's don't recognize each other's Sacraments.
...and Baptists don't recognize each other in strip clubs or bars.
Baptists do not believe in premarital sex-it might lead to dancing.
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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2010, 09:37:29 PM »

I still think Charles Stanley is a great preacher. I would never recommend anyone listening to him though, since his ideas are so unOrthodox. But I know he loves Christ, as do many Baptists, Protestants, and Catholics. I don't mind "fire and brimstone" as long as it's directed against the right things. Call down fire upon ideas and evil practices, but don't call down fire upon people! Some of these Fundamentalist preachers seem to take great pleasure in preaching people into hell.


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« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2010, 09:40:24 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

An Orthodox friend told me this joke once:

(I'm probably ruining it)
Orthodox and RC's don't recognize each other's Bishops.
RC's and Protestant's don't recognize each other's Sacraments.
...and Baptists don't recognize each other in strip clubs or bars.
Baptists do not believe in premarital sex-it might lead to dancing.

Lol! I was a terrible Baptist as I love to dance.

Christian comedian Mark Lowry summed it up great in his broadway show "I can not dance tonight, or any other night... because I'm Southern Baptist!"
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« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2010, 10:16:54 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

An Orthodox friend told me this joke once:

(I'm probably ruining it)
Orthodox and RC's don't recognize each other's Bishops.
RC's and Protestant's don't recognize each other's Sacraments.
...and Baptists don't recognize each other in strip clubs or bars.
Baptists do not believe in premarital sex-it might lead to dancing.
The last joke is suppsed to read:
Q: "Why don't Baptists have sex standing up?"
A: "Too much like dancing"
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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2010, 10:38:37 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

An Orthodox friend told me this joke once:

(I'm probably ruining it)
Orthodox and RC's don't recognize each other's Bishops.
RC's and Protestant's don't recognize each other's Sacraments.
...and Baptists don't recognize each other in strip clubs or bars.
Baptists do not believe in premarital sex-it might lead to dancing.

And you know what dancing leads to: "mixed bathing"!


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« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2010, 11:01:30 PM »

Many baptists (especially in North America) are really big on eternal security, "Once Saved Always Saved".

Yeah, but then once they see you at the grocery store buying a six pack it's "I wonder if he was REALLY saved?"   Tongue

An Orthodox friend told me this joke once:

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Orthodox and RC's don't recognize each other's Bishops.
RC's and Protestant's don't recognize each other's Sacraments.
...and Baptists don't recognize each other in strip clubs or bars.
Baptists do not believe in premarital sex-it might lead to dancing.

And you know what dancing leads to: "mixed bathing"!


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Baptist Christians, and churches, span a large spectrum of Christian thought. They are more a movement than a denomination, a movement consisting of several denominations, and other churches, etc., besides. Besides sharing the fundamental Christian beliefs, they usually have some core issues in common (like soul competency, Bible freedom, local autonomy, & separation of church and state), as well as a shared belief in believer's baptism, and that by immersion, of course.

But ... Baptist is not an isolated, clear cut, section of Evangelical Christianity. It's woven in and around nearly the whole of it; and may even stand apart from it in some cases. In fact, I recently shared a blog post on this very issue, dealing specifically with Pentecostalism, that you might enjoy. The catalyst for my sharing as much? I was recently selected interim Pastor of a Southern Baptist Church in this area, and I'm essentially a non-denominational, holiness-pentecostal leaning, minister.
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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2010, 09:11:25 PM »

Baptist Christians, and churches, span a large spectrum of Christian thought. They are more a movement than a denomination, a movement consisting of several denominations, and other churches, etc., besides. Besides sharing the fundamental Christian beliefs, they usually have some core issues in common (like soul competency, Bible freedom, local autonomy, & separation of church and state), as well as a shared belief in believer's baptism, and that by immersion, of course.

But ... Baptist is not an isolated, clear cut, section of Evangelical Christianity. It's woven in and around nearly the whole of it; and may even stand apart from it in some cases. In fact, I recently shared a blog post on this very issue, dealing specifically with Pentecostalism, that you might enjoy. The catalyst for my sharing as much? I was recently selected interim Pastor of a Southern Baptist Church in this area, and I'm essentially a non-denominational, holiness-pentecostal leaning, minister.

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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2010, 09:52:30 PM »

Just about to have diner, but wanted to say, hello and glad to see you.

Thanks friend.  Smiley I pop in here and there pretty regular. Just haven't posted in some time. Wink
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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2010, 12:20:28 AM »

Forgive my crudeness, but what I don't understand is when I see Protestant posters on these boards (not to single you out Cleopas) that defend Protestanism. I mean how can you seriously deny the historicity of the Orthodox Church as the true Church of Christ? How can you honestly just take the Bible, on its own, and apply an interpretation of it; or should I say a personal interpretation of it, and how do you know it's the correct way it is supposed to be interpreted.

You know it's funny anytime I run into a Baptist I always ask the question "How do you know the Bible is true?" and I can't get a straight answer, and rightfully so. Don't these people who derive Sola Scriptura ever ask themselves HOW the Bible was even formed and WHY it was formed the way it was?
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