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ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« on: November 10, 2010, 02:06:55 PM »
The news has been officially released.  Glory to God !
 
This will give to the Russian Church actual Western Rite parishes in addition to the present basically solitary 3 or 4 monastics here and there.
 
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Dear Brothers in Christ,

It is with great pleasure that I announce to you that the Archdiocese of New
York of The Holy Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church of America, the
Former Exarchate of the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria has
petitioned The Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia to be received into
its fold.

It was our intention to do this quietly, without fanfare, until all the
clergy were received and ordained. The post made here unfortunately
preempted that.

This is the culmination of a long journey, many prayers, and great patience.
It will also require the humility of our bishops, priests and deacons to bow
their heads for ordination in the Russian Church which we do with great joy
for the sake of the unity of the Church. We have accepted the use of the
Julian Calendar as we were already on it for the Paschalion and most of us
have been greatly disturbed by the commercialization of Christmas. We will
also be able to keep our Liturgy which is based on the Dom Augustine
Liturgy. We will also be able to continue our practice of gathering each
year in the Fall for a Conference/Retreat and now open it up to other
Western Rite Clergy. The 2011 Conference will be held at St Mary's Villa,
Sloatsburg NY, Tuesday October 25th to Friday October 28th.

So that we are clear, the parishes being received were non-canonical
Orthodox, not Anglican. Most of us come from the Roman Church though some of
us have spent time in the Anglican Church, Episcopal, Continuing, or
Charismatic Episcopal. We all became Western Rite Orthodox.

Archbishop Anthony and Bishop Michael will resign the episcopacy and be
ordained and elevated to be Archimandrites and His Eminence, Metropolitan
Hilarion has asked former Archbishop Anthony to be Vicar/Dean of his group
of Western Rite parishes. The historic significance of this is that the
Orthodox Western Rite will have almost ten new parishes and, when all are
received about 18 more clergy. We will have an informal group called The
Fraternity of St Gregory.

Those clergy who have already been received into the Russian Church have
experienced the warm welcome and generous kindness of Metropolitan Hilarion
and Vladyka Jerome who have been paragons of patience in doing all of the
required ordinations for us. The Russian clergy surrounding them have been
most welcoming to their new Orthodox brothers who will be using the Western
Rite.

Some have commented on the humility that it has taken for me and Bishop
Michael to give up the episcopacy. Anyone who knows our history also knows
that we did what we had to do to keep our group together and to offer a
place for those who wanted to be Orthodox Western Rite as we awaited the
time God would appoint for our entrance into the Russian Church.
Conversations were being held with Moscow through Fr Daniil Sosoyev (RIP)
who through his martyric death has accomplish what he could not finish in
this life.

We wish to thank Father James of Christminster who urged us for years
constantly to hope and pray, Fr Ambrose (NZ) who continued to fast and pray
for us all and who encouraged us, Fr Michael for his encouragement, Fr David
(FL) and Fr Ambrose (GOA) for their prayers. We wish also to acknowledge the
ongoing novena to St John of Shanghai and San Francisco for the past 9 years
and the maternal graces secured for us by the Holy Mother of God.

Finally, we remember the words of the old Western prayer: "O Lord Jesus
Christ, who for the accomplishment of Thy greatest works, has chosen the
weak vessel of the world that no flesh may glory in Thy sight...."  may we
who have been called to the work of bringing the West to Orthodoxy have the
strength and grace to perform it by your prayers.

Archbishop Anthony [Bondi]
New York


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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 02:10:23 PM »
COOL!

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 02:12:19 PM »
WOOOAH! Glordy to God!

Interesting that they come from Alexandria's former jurisdiction in America.
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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 02:24:05 PM »
WOOOAH! Glordy to God!

Interesting that they come from Alexandria's former jurisdiction in America.

Were they ever under Alexandria itself? Seems like they were some sort of pseudo/non-canonical group that is now being regularized.
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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 02:33:43 PM »
Where is each parish located?

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 02:39:55 PM »
WOOOAH! Glordy to God!

Interesting that they come from Alexandria's former jurisdiction in America.

Were they ever under Alexandria itself? Seems like they were some sort of pseudo/non-canonical group that is now being regularized.
To be honest, I don't know all the details. Alexandria has had an eparchy here twice, and twice was paid off by the Phanar and Greece to abandon it. (I learned of that and met clergy in Egypt, but not here). This group might have origins similar to the Vicarate for Palestinian/Jordanian communities here.
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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 04:36:30 PM »
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The historic significance of this is that the
Orthodox Western Rite will have almost ten new parishes and, when all are
received about 18 more clergy.

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 04:42:11 PM »
Awesome :)

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 05:13:54 PM »
Glory to God.   :angel:
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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 05:33:44 PM »
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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2010, 05:57:35 PM »
Great news! Now it's time for the Orthodox Church of France. :)

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2010, 06:00:54 PM »
Gloria in excelsis Deo!

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 12:19:51 AM »
It was announced today on the ROCA Western Rite e-mail group Occidentalis.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Occidentalis/message/17763

It was not supposed to be announced until Metropolitan Hilarion and Bishop Jerome had completed all the ordinations in mid December.  But the Internet has a way of leaking information.  Half the ordinations have been done already over the past few weeks.


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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 02:41:25 AM »
Great news! Now it's time for the Orthodox Church of France. :)
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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2010, 09:27:09 AM »
These communities seems to be pretty Pre-Schism oriented. Here's what Fr. Aidan (Keller) is writing:

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To those alarmed that the new communities might practice forms of devotion which originated in the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches, Abp. Anthony wrote the following clarification: "For the record, my church [in Putnam Valley, NY --Ed.] has no organ music, we sing Gregorian Chant, we do not have exposition of the Blessed Sacrament, stations of the cross, sacred heart devotions, pews, or kneelers."

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2010, 11:39:55 AM »
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2010, 01:20:29 PM »
These communities seems to be pretty Pre-Schism oriented. Here's what Fr. Aidan (Keller) is writing:

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To those alarmed that the new communities might practice forms of devotion which originated in the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches, Abp. Anthony wrote the following clarification: "For the record, my church [in Putnam Valley, NY --Ed.] has no organ music, we sing Gregorian Chant, we do not have exposition of the Blessed Sacrament, stations of the cross, sacred heart devotions, pews, or kneelers."

No pews?  8) That's very authentic Western Orthodoxy.  :)

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2010, 06:44:59 PM »
No pews?  8) That's very authentic Western Orthodoxy.  :)

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Indeed, since pews were not used for the first 1000 years of Christianity, East or West. 
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2010, 07:15:51 PM »
How many people are there with these 18 clergymen? At the end it's not clergy the WO is lacking...

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2011, 01:53:13 PM »
I am wondering how long it will take to maybe see a bishop come out of these or other clergy in the Western Rite...  I can't wait to see the vestments, haha!

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2011, 03:18:28 PM »
I'm sorry, what is the difference between ROCA and ROCOR?

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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2011, 03:21:17 PM »
I'm sorry, what is the difference between ROCA and ROCOR?

There are two Churches that used that names alternately. The self-ruled one under the Moscow Patriarchate (although it prefers 'ROCOR') and the splinter group of it that did not accept the reunion (it prefers 'ROCA'). Before the schism the names were used 50:50.

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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2011, 07:14:03 PM »
Great news! Now it's time for the Orthodox Church of France. :)

This will be happening sooner than you think! It is already in the works for what is left of the parishes under a certain Bishop.
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Re: ROCA Western Rite Gains 18 Clergy!
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2011, 08:18:18 PM »
Great news! Now it's time for the Orthodox Church of France. :)

This will be happening sooner than you think! It is already in the works for what is left of the parishes under a certain Bishop.
Wonderful! Will they be using the DL of St. Germanus? If I remember correctly, didn't you say you attended it once? If so, could you share your experience? :)

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2011, 08:33:52 PM »




Maybe by PM... Not nice to hang out that kind of laundry for the local vandals.  ;)
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