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Offline Fr.Kyrillos

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Energies vs. Grace
« on: November 07, 2010, 05:56:38 PM »
I am interested in a discussion about the distinction in the concepts of God's energies vs. God's grace.  I realize that Orthodox theology emphasizes that God's grace is uncreated. So, how does the uncreated energies of God differ from the concept of the uncreated grace of God?

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Re: Energies vs. Grace
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 06:57:16 PM »
I was always under the impression that they were the same? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it.

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Re: Energies vs. Grace
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2010, 11:10:07 PM »
I was always under the impression that they were the same? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it.

Same here. I believe God's grace is considered a form of His energeia.

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Re: Energies vs. Grace
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2010, 11:39:54 PM »
I was always under the impression that they were the same? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it.

I  am under the impression that you are not. Grace is the reception of His energies.
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth

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Re: Energies vs. Grace
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 01:10:54 AM »
I was always under the impression that they were the same? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it.

I  am under the impression that you are not. Grace is the reception of His energies.

This is what I assumed. However, the later byzantine emphasis on essence/energy distinction led me to believe that there might be more to this theology apart from the traditional understanding of grace.