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« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2010, 03:54:52 PM »
^ Hey Isa, you live in a fantasy world, and its embarrassing for you because you make your Church a parody of mine. That is not very respectful to your own religion.
Your pontiff is the one who stole the title of "Pope" from its original, true, and continued bearer, His Most Divinely-Protected Beatitude the Pope and Patriarch of the Great City of Alexandria, Libya, Pentapolis, Ethiopia, all the land of Egypt, and all Africa, Father of Fathers, Shepherd of Shepherds, Prelate of Prelates, thirteenth of the Apostles, and Judge of the Universe," and tried to cover it with a forged donation from the Emperor of New Rome.
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« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2010, 03:59:40 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
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« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2010, 05:06:36 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
And the pallium is awesome.
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« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2010, 05:07:18 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
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Re: St. Peter, Vatican Claims, and Location, Location, LOCATION!
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2010, 05:21:36 PM »
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
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« Reply #50 on: December 09, 2010, 05:23:23 PM »
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
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« Reply #51 on: December 09, 2010, 05:28:49 PM »
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
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« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2010, 05:31:25 PM »
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
Nope.
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« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2010, 05:41:30 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

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« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2010, 05:42:04 PM »
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
Nope.
Then why did you bring him up?
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« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2010, 05:43:33 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
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Re: St. Peter, Vatican Claims, and Location, Location, LOCATION!
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2010, 05:45:44 PM »
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
Nope.

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« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2010, 05:46:00 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father os the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?

Pretty sure I read "Those that deny 'the Father os the Sixth Exumenical Council' didst laugh, let him be anathema!"

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« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2010, 05:52:16 PM »
Here is the text of the Bull...

Message 13 at

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,14980.msg214346/topicseen.html#msg214346
Since it has come up here some interesting bits
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2.  like Valesians, they castrate their guests and promote them not only to the clergy but to the episcopacy;

Therefore, because we did not tolerate this unheard of outrage and injury of the first, holy, and apostolic see and were concerned that the catholic faith would be undermined in many ways, by the authority of the holy and individuatedTrinity and the apostolic see, whose embassy we are performing, and of all the orthodox fathers from the seven councils and of the entire catholic Church, we thus subscribe to the following anathema which the most reverend pope has proclaimed upon Michael and his followers unless they should repent.

Odd, since the Council that the Vatican claims as its eigth council now took place in 869-70, almost two centuries before this, and it was to keep EP St. Ignatius, a eunuch, on the patriarchal throne.
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« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2010, 05:58:48 PM »
Here is the text of the Bull...

Message 13 at

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,14980.msg214346/topicseen.html#msg214346
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2.  like Valesians, they castrate their guests and promote them not only to the clergy but to the episcopacy;

Therefore, because we did not tolerate this unheard of outrage and injury of the first, holy, and apostolic see and were concerned that the catholic faith would be undermined in many ways, by the authority of the holy and individuatedTrinity and the apostolic see, whose embassy we are performing, and of all the orthodox fathers from the seven councils and of the entire catholic Church, we thus subscribe to the following anathema which the most reverend pope has proclaimed upon Michael and his followers unless they should repent.

Odd, since the Council that the Vatican claims as its eigth council now took place in 869-70, almost two centuries before this, and it was to keep EP St. Ignatius, a eunuch, on the patriarchal throne.


That is odd...

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« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2010, 07:27:48 PM »
^ Um, don't make a "historian" joke and then fudge the detail of who was excommunicated; the EP knew that the Pope was dead, so your assertion that he excommunicated a dead man is "laughable."  IIRC, Humbert and his fellow legates (who had no authority at the time, since their source of authority - Il Papa - had passed away) were anathematized.  I suppose it is another twist of irony that you make a "historian" comment and then bring up the schism; the bull of excommunication that Humbert drew up listed as a reason for schism that the East had removed the filioque from the original Creed.  Oh, well.
I am well aware of the fact that Humbert was wrong.
In that he represented your ecclesiatical organization quite well.
Nope.

Papist, I am in awe of your insurmountable rhetoric.
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« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2010, 07:28:57 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
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« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2010, 09:19:15 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

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« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2010, 09:22:39 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
No, becaue the word heretic was used more broadly back then.
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« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2010, 09:26:24 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
No, becaue the word heretic was used more broadly back then.
Anathema to Honorius the heretic!
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
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« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2010, 09:27:18 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
No, becaue the word heretic was used more broadly back then.
Anathema to Honorius the heretic!
Anathema to you.  ;)
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« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2010, 09:57:47 PM »

LOL. We have been praying in multiple languages, even Latin, since the Apostles.


LOL. I expect better from a "historian". Your Church didn't exist until 1054 AD.

1054? You mean when you all tried to force the innovation of the filioque on us? Since it was written in New Rome, not Toledo, EP Michael and the rest of us know who continue to confess the Orthodox Faith of the Creed of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I've been to the all the sees of the Pentarchy. Only Rome has the invention of the pallium.
No, I mean when your Patriarch of Constantinople "excommunicated" the Pope. It's almost laughable.
Did the Father of the Sixth Ecumenical Council laugh?
They are laughing at you now, because they couldn't have possibly meant what you think they meant.
Because what they said in plain language doesn't suit you? Not only could they mean what they said, they did mean what they said.

"Anathema to Honorius the heretic!"
No, becaue the word heretic was used more broadly back then.
Anathema to Honorius the heretic!
Anathema to you.  ;)
The Fathers say that the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics are curses.
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« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2010, 10:01:14 PM »
The Fathers say that the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics are curses.

To think. They were thinking of this moment.

Bless you, Isa.  ;D

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« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2010, 10:06:52 PM »
The Fathers say that the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics are curses.
Not sure how this is relevant.  ???
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Re: St. Peter, Vatican Claims, and Location, Location, LOCATION!
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2010, 10:07:25 PM »
The Fathers say that the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics are curses.

To think. They were thinking of this moment.

Bless you, Isa.  ;D
You do have that great Anglican sense of humor.
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Re: St. Peter, Vatican Claims, and Location, Location, LOCATION!
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2010, 11:19:01 PM »
The Fathers say that the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics are curses.
Not sure how this is relevant.  ???
LOL. I'm sure you don't.
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Re: St. Peter, Vatican Claims, and Location, Location, LOCATION!
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2010, 11:30:52 PM »
The Fathers say that the curses of heretics are blessings and the blessings of heretics are curses.
Not sure how this is relevant.  ???

I think you're playing dumb again. Come on, you seem smart. I'm pretty sure you really know what he meant.
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