Since the Orthodox Church (and yes, that is the Orthodox Church, not your nameless Orthodox priests and friends. Those who doubt that, can see what the Orthodox Church of Romania did over Met. Nicolae Corneanu, and that was with the "Romanian Church in Union with Rome-Greek Catholic") does not share these assertions, the perplexity of what you all think you "accomplishing." Because it seems yet another attempt to con us into thinking we believe the same "so why don't you submit to the Vicar of Christ and sign on the dotted line for the union?"
This is a little offtopic but could some Catholic explain your theological basis for accepting intercommunion?
It is not off-topic. It IS the heart of the topic.
The Catholic Church accepts three principle assertions about the Orthodox Church.
The first is that we share Apostolic Succession.
And the Second is that we share a faith that is sufficient to salvation.
The third is that our sacraments are mutually grace-filled.
And so despite the fact that there are claims, on all sides, to the contrary, the Church has decided that rather than keep the anger going, we shall release our centuries of bad feelings and embrace Orthodoxy as true Sister Churches...not with the fullness of union...but with sufficient fullness to warrant communion.
That, of course, has been received in some quarters with all kinds of doors being slammed in our faces, but I believe that it was the right and necessary thing for the Catholic Church to do and to say.
Dear Fellow Catholic,
I have been at this business of informal dialogue for seventeen years now and I can tell you that you do not represent universal Orthodoxy, however much you might hope to do so.
Well, I don't know what you are reading into the pretty words Met. Zizoulis has been telling you, but as the Romanian Patriarch and the Holy Synod in the diptychs of the universal Orthodox Church has unambiguously stated (along with the consequences), you are mistaken.
The days of untrammeled unionist vs. anti-unionist bullying are over.
Well, can't say what is going on over there in Oz, but here on earth and in heaven, the battle of Orthodoxy vs. heresy continues.
Instant communications makes our mutual warts too difficult to hide any more. True historians have improved access to all kinds of archives which will do much to allow the ordinary fellow to refute pseudo-history.
You mean like this?
There is a documentary record of anti-unionists strong-arming the population to speak out against union. It is an historical record that is not readily available to English speakers from the United States but it exists and it is not a record that looks much like the working of the Holy Spirit.
Yeah, those anti-unionists must have had much stronger arms than the emperor's whole state apparatus and army and the Crusaders who backed them.
The propoganda for union has left quite a documentary record, but bringing it up makes the claims all the more ridiculous. That such whinning exists, I do not doubt: I'm not monolingual, and have been to all the areas except India and Ethiopia where the Vatican imposed its unions. That the areas have remained majority Orthodox atttests to the work of the Holy Spirit.
And most importantly of all, the ability to actually "see" our similarities as faithful people is increasing exponentially.
kumbaya. Will we joining the Muslims next? The Mormons?
Your photos of clown masses will soon be nearly 100 years old and will no longer pack the same punch....They do not even now because it should be evident to all that the photo gallery is quite dated already.
This is only three years old:
So you'd best crow now while you still can.
I'd rather listen to the choir of saints.
Resumed communion is coming, and coming at a rate that you cannot stop.
"If the whole universe were to commune with you, I alone would not commune with you."-St. Maximos the Orthodox Confessor