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...Assuming that it is accurate — and we have no reason to doubt that it is — Cardinal Schönborn’s anecdote presents us with an astonishing picture: The successor to St. Peter — the man whose solemn duty it is to guard the deposit of the faith — is asking another prelate whether his own teaching is orthodox. And he is comforted to hear an affirmative answer.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/astonishing-pope-reportedly-asked-whether-amoris-laetitia-was-orthodox-afte
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I forgot to add lifesitenews to my list of places to avoid in the Random Postings thread  :P
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I tend to take things from that side with a huge grain of salt as I've seen many stories that they have put out that turn out to be completely incorrect. I hope this is another case of that.
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This isn't all that big a deal: any number of bulls and constitutions have their supreme pontiff consulting others.
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Surely that's not a deflection. 
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The original source provides a different tone for the whole thing, basically setting it up as Pope Francis asking for the opinion of someone he has a decades-long and close relationship with.

https://cruxnow.com/commentary/2017/07/15/cardinal-schonborn-moral-theology-needs-principles-prudence/
« Last Edit: July 18, 2017, 10:40:46 PM by Asteriktos »
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The original source provides a different tone for the whole thing, basically setting it up as Pope Francis asking for the opinion of someone he has a decades-long and close relationship with.

https://cruxnow.com/commentary/2017/07/15/cardinal-schonborn-moral-theology-needs-principles-prudence/
The point that Life Site News picked up and ran with is that Pope Francis issued it first, and then asked his friend if it was orthodox. That does seem odd.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2017, 11:26:41 PM by Justin Kolodziej »
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The original source provides a different tone for the whole thing, basically setting it up as Pope Francis asking for the opinion of someone he has a decades-long and close relationship with.

https://cruxnow.com/commentary/2017/07/15/cardinal-schonborn-moral-theology-needs-principles-prudence/
The point that Life Site News picked up and ran with is that Pope Francis issued it first, and then asked his friend if it was orthodox. That does seem odd.

I'm not sure why though? Does he have to consult everyone he is close to or respects before he publishes, or is he for some reason prohibited from asking anyone after he publishes? Would people criticize St. Paul for saying:

"Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain." (Gal. 2:1-2)
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^ Hey that's St. Paul, not St. Peter.
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Given that, by all indications, AL was seemingly not penned by Pope Francis, but by a ghostwriter, he'd like to be sure, maybe.
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Given that, by all indications, AL was seemingly not penned by Pope Francis, but by a ghostwriter, he'd like to be sure, maybe.
Thanks for the link. I knew that the ghostwriter had written a book in the past about kissing. This part makes me glad I didn't read AL:
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In this way, with the intention of summarizing the immense richness of life have come these pages on behalf of the kiss, which I hope may help you to kiss better, urge you to liberate in a kiss the best of your being.”