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Re: Roman Catholic Churches
« Reply #225 on: August 11, 2013, 06:54:09 PM »
It's depressing that the beautiful High Altars in Roman Catholic Churches are now, for the most part, fancy candle and flower holders behind a plain table.

I fail to understand why you did that. Old-fashioned Catholicism seems extremely beautiful while this present outlook with tables and all that seems fairly dull.
Indeed, Catholic art, architecture, and liturgy are in a dismal state. Maybe you all can pray for us that God sends us more traditionally minded priests and bishops. God knows we need the prayers.

BTW, here are the plans for a new church, which my old Latin parish is seeking to build. I hope they are able to accomplish this. Very beautiful.
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« Reply #226 on: August 11, 2013, 06:59:27 PM »
It's pretty amazing how many glorious cathedrals I've seen in Europe where the priests have turned their backs on the high beautiful altars to use something I would expect to see in Ikea. I think the triumph of mediocrity in the Catholic church is pretty much irreversible now- the people who actually care about such things will always be a minority.

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« Reply #227 on: August 11, 2013, 08:35:32 PM »
I think the triumph of mediocrity in the Catholic church is pretty much irreversible now- the people who actually care about such things will always be a minority.
What a dire conclusion! What leads you to believe this?
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« Reply #228 on: August 11, 2013, 08:41:52 PM »
This is the Church of the Incarnation in Rio Rancho, NM. Though the colors are bright, the architecture is actually quite traditional. Also, because the parish has spent so much money building the church, they still need to acquire more statuary and religious icons.

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« Reply #229 on: August 11, 2013, 08:53:21 PM »
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« Reply #230 on: August 11, 2013, 10:01:26 PM »
This is the Church of the Incarnation in Rio Rancho, NM. Though the colors are bright, the architecture is actually quite traditional. Also, because the parish has spent so much money building the church, they still need to acquire more statuary and religious icons.

I like the ceiling over the nave, but I'm not so sure I like how it appears over the altar and the transept (?), at least from that particular photo. 
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« Reply #231 on: August 11, 2013, 10:33:50 PM »
This is the Church of the Incarnation in Rio Rancho, NM. Though the colors are bright, the architecture is actually quite traditional. Also, because the parish has spent so much money building the church, they still need to acquire more statuary and religious icons.


That Church is not ugly, but it is rather severe. It seems rather impersonal.
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« Reply #232 on: August 11, 2013, 10:35:04 PM »
It's pretty amazing how many glorious cathedrals I've seen in Europe where the priests have turned their backs on the high beautiful altars to use something I would expect to see in Ikea. I think the triumph of mediocrity in the Catholic church is pretty much irreversible now- the people who actually care about such things will always be a minority.
Watching Pope Francis' Masses fills me with despair for the future of the Roman Rite. I miss Pope Benedict.
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« Reply #233 on: August 11, 2013, 11:34:52 PM »
It's pretty amazing how many glorious cathedrals I've seen in Europe where the priests have turned their backs on the high beautiful altars to use something I would expect to see in Ikea. I think the triumph of mediocrity in the Catholic church is pretty much irreversible now- the people who actually care about such things will always be a minority.
Watching Pope Francis' Masses fills me with despair for the future of the Roman Rite. I miss Pope Benedict.

I was more impressed with Pope Benedict as well, but who knows what the future will hold for Pope Francis.

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« Reply #234 on: August 12, 2013, 12:24:19 AM »
I got to see a medieval French Cistercian abbey recently and it was completely grey inside with only a handful of statues, but it was absolutely beautiful and I felt as if I was in a sacred space.   It's interesting because that church in MN that Papist shared with us is much more colorful (even has "warm tones") and has a lot more going on, but to me it feels very impersonal and sterile.  One would think that I'd feel that way about the stark abbey, but that wasn't the case.  It is very interesting to me.
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« Reply #235 on: August 12, 2013, 11:25:10 AM »

That Church is not ugly, but it is rather severe. It seems rather impersonal.

Well I think once the parish is decorated it will look much better. I hope.
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« Reply #236 on: August 12, 2013, 11:39:42 AM »
I found some closer pictures of the altar and it seems to have an altar rail. So that's a nice start.

I like the Church, with the exception of the lack of symmetry around the altar. Maybe they are going to get a bigger Crucifix, so this set up might be temporary.
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« Reply #237 on: August 12, 2013, 11:49:02 AM »
Thanks for sharing pictures of RC churches God bless

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« Reply #239 on: August 12, 2013, 11:57:14 AM »
This Church, for the most part has Retablos, instead of Statues.


It feels very New Mexican.

I would love to see more pictures like this. A few years ago, our school was on a trip to Poland and we visited a small wooden church outside of kraków that was really beautiful.
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« Reply #241 on: August 12, 2013, 04:22:24 PM »
It's depressing that the beautiful High Altars in Roman Catholic Churches are now, for the most part, fancy candle and flower holders behind a plain table.

I fail to understand why you did that. Old-fashioned Catholicism seems extremely beautiful while this present outlook with tables and all that seems fairly dull.
Indeed, Catholic art, architecture, and liturgy are in a dismal state.

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Re: Roman Catholic Churches
« Reply #242 on: August 12, 2013, 05:00:54 PM »
I think the triumph of mediocrity in the Catholic church is pretty much irreversible now- the people who actually care about such things will always be a minority.
What a dire conclusion! What leads you to believe this?

1. Knowing the tastes of my generation and the even worse ones of succeeding generations; 2. Knowing the fact that generations of Catholics have grown up with crap art and most of them think it's a-OK; 3. My personal experience with Catholics both in and outside my family; 4. Seeing the apparent wild popularity of Pope Francis compared with his predecessor.


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« Reply #243 on: August 12, 2013, 10:17:10 PM »
I think the triumph of mediocrity in the Catholic church is pretty much irreversible now- the people who actually care about such things will always be a minority.
What a dire conclusion! What leads you to believe this?

1. Knowing the tastes of my generation and the even worse ones of succeeding generations; 2. Knowing the fact that generations of Catholics have grown up with crap art and most of them think it's a-OK; 3. My personal experience with Catholics both in and outside my family; 4. Seeing the apparent wild popularity of Pope Francis compared with his predecessor.


It just seems to me that thoose who like the ugly art, and weak expressions of the faith will also be those who hardly practice the faith. They will eventually stop practicing and what will be left will be the traditionalists. I hate to see them go, but I think Pope Benedict was right when he predicted a smaller, more purified Church.
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« Reply #244 on: August 12, 2013, 10:37:42 PM »
I think the triumph of mediocrity in the Catholic church is pretty much irreversible now- the people who actually care about such things will always be a minority.
What a dire conclusion! What leads you to believe this?

1. Knowing the tastes of my generation and the even worse ones of succeeding generations; 2. Knowing the fact that generations of Catholics have grown up with crap art and most of them think it's a-OK; 3. My personal experience with Catholics both in and outside my family; 4. Seeing the apparent wild popularity of Pope Francis compared with his predecessor.


It just seems to me that thoose who like the ugly art, and weak expressions of the faith will also be those who hardly practice the faith. They will eventually stop practicing and what will be left will be the traditionalists. I hate to see them go, but I think Pope Benedict was right when he predicted a smaller, more purified Church.

That is very wishful thinking, my friend. Generally, the crap art is not the product of "those who hardly practice the faith", but of active members of the Catholic Church (e.g. Lentz, McNichols). Some of them are even clergy or monastics, or, as seen in Brazil, dancing bishops. If love of bad art was a good predictor for leaving the church, I think this purification would have happened by now. These people are as committed to sticking around as they are to turning their backs on centuries of tradition. If you ask them, a guitar mass is not a "weak" expression of faith- no, it's vibrant, dynamic, etc.

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« Reply #245 on: August 13, 2013, 01:22:25 AM »
I think the triumph of mediocrity in the Catholic church is pretty much irreversible now- the people who actually care about such things will always be a minority.
What a dire conclusion! What leads you to believe this?

1. Knowing the tastes of my generation and the even worse ones of succeeding generations; 2. Knowing the fact that generations of Catholics have grown up with crap art and most of them think it's a-OK; 3. My personal experience with Catholics both in and outside my family; 4. Seeing the apparent wild popularity of Pope Francis compared with his predecessor.


It just seems to me that thoose who like the ugly art, and weak expressions of the faith will also be those who hardly practice the faith. They will eventually stop practicing and what will be left will be the traditionalists. I hate to see them go, but I think Pope Benedict was right when he predicted a smaller, more purified Church.

That is very wishful thinking, my friend. Generally, the crap art is not the product of "those who hardly practice the faith", but of active members of the Catholic Church (e.g. Lentz, McNichols). Some of them are even clergy or monastics, or, as seen in Brazil, dancing bishops. If love of bad art was a good predictor for leaving the church, I think this purification would have happened by now. These people are as committed to sticking around as they are to turning their backs on centuries of tradition. If you ask them, a guitar mass is not a "weak" expression of faith- no, it's vibrant, dynamic, etc.
I think you are right. In the 25 years that I have been a Catholic (17 years as a Roman Catholic, and 8 years as an Eastern Catholic) things have actually gotten worse. And to top it all off the present pope seems bored by the liturgy, and completely indifferent when it comes to maintaining the few vestiges of liturgical tradition still left in the Roman Church. I pray that things get better. Who knows, maybe Cardinal Burke will become pope next.
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« Reply #246 on: October 06, 2013, 10:55:08 PM »
San Felipe de Neri Church in Albuquerque, NM.

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« Reply #247 on: October 06, 2013, 11:14:41 PM »

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« Reply #248 on: October 07, 2013, 12:55:31 AM »
San Felipe de Neri Church in Albuquerque, NM.

What's that flat-topped structure with the white cloth on top that's obstructing the view of the altar?  ;)
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« Reply #249 on: October 07, 2013, 12:55:39 AM »

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« Reply #250 on: October 07, 2013, 01:26:52 AM »
San Felipe de Neri Church in Albuquerque, NM.

What's that flat-topped structure with the white cloth on top that's obstructing the view of the altar?  ;)

Do you mean the altar that's obstructing the view of the altar? 8)

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« Reply #251 on: October 07, 2013, 09:10:43 AM »
San Felipe de Neri Church in Albuquerque, NM.

What's that flat-topped structure with the white cloth on top that's obstructing the view of the altar?  ;)
Ha! I thought the same thing. :)
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« Reply #252 on: October 07, 2013, 01:43:43 PM »
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« Reply #254 on: October 07, 2013, 01:56:38 PM »
I don't know why but RC statues scare me just like clowns do.
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« Reply #255 on: October 07, 2013, 02:10:50 PM »
I don't know why but RC statues scare me just like clowns do.

I like the white ones. Get the tone right, and even resin can create the illusion of marble. Add even a single lick of paint, and it becomes instantly tacky. :(
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« Reply #256 on: October 07, 2013, 02:11:26 PM »
I don't know why but RC statues scare me just like clowns do.

I like the white ones. Get the tone right, and even resin can create the illusion of marble. Add even a single lick of paint, and it becomes instantly tacky. :(
I prefer the white ones as well.
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« Reply #257 on: October 07, 2013, 02:16:45 PM »
I don't know why but RC statues scare me just like clowns do.

I like the white ones. Get the tone right, and even resin can create the illusion of marble. Add even a single lick of paint, and it becomes instantly tacky. :(
I prefer the white ones as well.

Me too, but I generally love those traditional catholic altars.

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« Reply #258 on: October 07, 2013, 02:31:27 PM »
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« Reply #259 on: October 07, 2013, 02:49:09 PM »
I don't know why but RC statues scare me just like clowns do.

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« Reply #260 on: October 07, 2013, 02:54:54 PM »
I don't know why but RC statues scare me just like clowns do.

I like the white ones. Get the tone right, and even resin can create the illusion of marble. Add even a single lick of paint, and it becomes instantly tacky. :(
I prefer the white ones as well.

The white once are quite okay.

However, I've seen a white statue of St. Basil that looked like Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean. Yuck!
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« Reply #261 on: November 22, 2013, 10:30:23 PM »


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« Reply #263 on: November 24, 2013, 12:43:24 AM »
This is how the chapel at my university looks now (although the arrangement seems to have changed slightly since these were taken):



It used to look so much better... See here,here and here.

There are apparently plans to "restore" it and make the seating circle completely around the altar.
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« Reply #264 on: November 24, 2013, 12:47:30 AM »
You almost wish they just tore down the original structure and built something banal so that you wouldn't have the distraction of some acceptable statuary, paintings, a reredos, and an awesome pulpit competing with a badly set up ambaltar, those chairs, and the silly, needless plants. 
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« Reply #265 on: November 24, 2013, 12:57:32 AM »
You almost wish they just tore down the original structure and built something banal so that you wouldn't have the distraction of some acceptable statuary, paintings, a reredos, and an awesome pulpit competing with a badly set up ambaltar, those chairs, and the silly, needless plants. 

Well it's just transitional I suppose while they raise the needed funds to give it a more relevant and welcoming atmosphere. Then all that unnecessary, outdated clutter that's distracting those present from the real purpose of the Mass will be gone, and they'll be able to have a relevant experience of God's grace today like a breath of fresh air.

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« Reply #266 on: November 24, 2013, 01:29:20 AM »
[img]http://www.catholiccincinnati.org/wp-

Take away the plants, the tall thing on the left (I guess I should know what it is), and put a second cross on the left for symmetry, and that'd be beautiful. Very minimalist and clean and grand.

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« Reply #267 on: November 24, 2013, 07:02:29 AM »
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« Reply #268 on: November 24, 2013, 08:59:15 AM »
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Take away the plants, the tall thing on the left (I guess I should know what it is), and put a second cross on the left for symmetry, and that'd be beautiful. Very minimalist and clean and grand.

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« Reply #269 on: November 24, 2013, 10:17:54 AM »
[size= 20pt] -i don't get the two tables either. Unless it is the table the chalice and water cruets are put on.  Since there are chairs around it they probably can't have it up against the wall as it usually would be.
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