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« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2010, 08:22:37 PM »

It is not explicitly stated but the degree to which you are allowed to participate on this site is established as inherently less than an EO and OO; the logical conclusion of this is that you are regarded as a second class citizen or a non-citizen.

Since I can participate as much as anyone here, moderating being different than participating, I'll take the above as your own asnine assessment unless mods or admins state otherwise.
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« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2010, 08:24:41 PM »

deusveritasest,

Do you think that it might be wise for you to try being a bit more diplomatic on this thread? You're not exactly representing this forum nor yourself all that well here with your usual show of blunt, tactless forthrightness.
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« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2010, 08:24:53 PM »

It is not explicitly stated but the degree to which you are allowed to participate on this site is established as inherently less than an EO and OO; the logical conclusion of this is that you are regarded as a second class citizen or a non-citizen.

Since I can participate as much as anyone here, moderating being different than participating, I'll take the above as your own asnine assessment unless mods or admins state otherwise.

You are not allowed to have your own forum.
You are not allowed to have moderators from your faith.
You are not allowed to propagate your faith.

None of that appears to you to be a limitation in the degree to which you can participate compared to the EO and OO?
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« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2010, 08:27:26 PM »

It is not explicitly stated but the degree to which you are allowed to participate on this site is established as inherently less than an EO and OO; the logical conclusion of this is that you are regarded as a second class citizen or a non-citizen.

Since I can participate as much as anyone here, moderating being different than participating, I'll take the above as your own asnine assessment unless mods or admins state otherwise.

You are not allowed to have your own forum.
You are not allowed to have moderators from your faith.
You are not allowed to propagate your faith.

None of that appears to you to be a limitation in the degree to which you can participate compared to the EO and OO?
IOW, chill out, back off, and let us more PC type handle this thorny issue. police
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« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2010, 08:32:13 PM »

Indeed.  We still treat second-class citizens like humans, instead of casting them off like unwanted leeches (as we've found ourselves treated in encounters elsewhere on the 'net).

I'm no fan of CAF, but in fairness Roman/Eastern Catholics would be banned from here if they were proselytizing.
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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2010, 08:34:34 PM »

Indeed.  We still treat second-class citizens like humans, instead of casting them off like unwanted leeches (as we've found ourselves treated in encounters elsewhere on the 'net).

I'm no fan of CAF, but in fairness Roman/Eastern Catholics would be banned from here if they were proselytizing.

It depends on what you mean by proselytism. If you won people over simply because of witnessing to your faith and people on here found it attractive and as a consequence of the information you provided decided to convert, I don't think you would be banned. I can't say the same thing about CAF.
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« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2010, 08:38:37 PM »

This entire thread is just making me feel depressed. Sad
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« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2010, 08:38:58 PM »

You are not allowed to have your own forum.
You are not allowed to have moderators from your faith.
You are not allowed to propagate your faith.

None of that appears to you to be a limitation in the degree to which you can participate compared to the EO and OO?

There is an Orthodox-Catholic forum, I wouldn't expect anything more.
The admins are free to choose whom they want to moderate on this forum as on any forum.
Honest and charitable participation are all the propogation my faith should need.

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« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2010, 08:50:53 PM »

Indeed.  We still treat second-class citizens like humans, instead of casting them off like unwanted leeches (as we've found ourselves treated in encounters elsewhere on the 'net).

I'm no fan of CAF, but in fairness Roman/Eastern Catholics would be banned from here if they were proselytizing.

LOL. Look up Alfred Persson, and see how much we put up with proselytizing.
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« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2010, 09:39:05 PM »

So I guess that is the fundamental difference between Catholicism vs. EO and OO...love versus no love.

Now that's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in a while.

The difference is neither I nor most other Catholics are anti-EO or anti-OO. Heck, we even let the EO Commune in our Churches. We are charitable and loving to them yet they scoff at us and treat us like we are garbage.


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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2010, 10:29:10 PM »

Paisius, PLEASE modify your post above!  You have attributed a rather offensive quote to me which I most definitely did NOT say!!  Sad
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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2010, 10:46:24 PM »

Paisius, PLEASE modify your post above!  You have attributed a rather offensive quote to me which I most definitely did NOT say!!  Sad

Offensive to whom, the Eastern Orthodox? Perhaps I will quit being offensive when they start showing a bit more concern for being respectful to us.
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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2010, 11:13:40 PM »

The difference is neither I nor most other Catholics are anti-EO or anti-OO. Heck, we even let the EO Commune in our Churches. We are charitable and loving to them yet they scoff at us and treat us like we are garbage.


Paisius - I did NOT say the quote you have attributed to me above, starting with the words "The difference is neither I nor most other Catholics ... "

Wyatt - I was not speaking to you.
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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2010, 11:16:08 PM »

The difference is neither I nor most other Catholics are anti-EO or anti-OO. Heck, we even let the EO Commune in our Churches. We are charitable and loving to them yet they scoff at us and treat us like we are garbage.


Paisius - I did NOT say the quote you have attributed to me above, starting with the words "The difference is neither I nor most other Catholics ... "

Wyatt - I was not speaking to you.


Good grief I'm sorry. I was trying to cut out the embedded post and made a mistake. I'll pm a mod immediately and have it fixed.
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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2010, 11:24:39 PM »

Thanks.  Sorry if I overreacted, it's been one of those Mondays. Sad
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« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2010, 11:33:32 PM »

Thanks.  Sorry if I overreacted, it's been one of those Mondays. Sad


Well I'm sorry I did it. Either way it will be fixed soon.  Smiley
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Quotes fixed.  Please carry on, folks!

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« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2010, 12:09:48 AM »

Thanks - hey, you treat us second class citizens pretty nice! Cheesy
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« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2010, 12:16:05 AM »

Since it is apparently my work product that is being critiqued here, I feel I should respond in some way, but it's not going to be tonight.  I am hopped up on cold medicine in an effort to stave off a wicked attack of sinusitis that had to happen, of course, while I was on a mini-vacation with my dear wife.  I am starting to feel better and, when I do and have the mental acuity to respond, I will.
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Thanks.  Sorry if I overreacted, it's been one of those Mondays. Sad
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« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2010, 12:38:07 PM »

We need a Orthodox Moderator On catholic Answers Forum ..Because the Catholic mods Are Banning the orthodox Posters....
That's because the Orthodox were causing trouble, gaining converts and such. Wink
Actually, it was because some of the EOs were very rude guests.
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« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2010, 12:43:02 PM »

Really?  Ever heard of James Likoudis?  A *very* anti-EO traditionalist RC, and there are plenty of others like him.

And the fact that the RC allows EOs to commune means little since the EOs themselves generally scorn the whole concept.

Difficulty with this response is that the people you set out as exemplars would not be caught dead on a Forum like this one.  In fact there are few seriously talented and faithful Catholics who would.  

So you get the seekers, who don't count in this question, and the ones truly dedicated to east-west relations, who are stupid enough to think there might be common ground,  and the loons.

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« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2010, 12:48:28 PM »

Whats your excuse....
Didn't they ban you from there as well,was it for being rude as you claim that against the  orthodox ........ Grin
I remember your posts from there, you attacked Holy Orthodoxy with gusto...... Grin




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« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2010, 12:53:10 PM »

Whats your excuse....
Didn't they ban you from there as well,was it for being rude as you claim that against the  orthodox ........ Grin
I remember your posts from there, you attacked Holy Orthodoxy with gusto...... Grin




We need a Orthodox Moderator On catholic Answers Forum ..Because the Catholic mods Are Banning the orthodox Posters....
That's because the Orthodox were causing trouble, gaining converts and such. Wink
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Actually, I was banned, back before the EOs were actually moderated. In the dark days, when the old moderator wouldn't allow Catholics to stand up for their faith, but allowed EOs to trample all over the Catholic Church. Then there was a change. I am confident that if I were to be on the forum today, now that we have the reasonable moderators who banned the very rude EOs, I would still be posting.
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« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2010, 12:53:47 PM »

So I guess that is the fundamental difference between Catholicism vs. EO and OO...love versus no love.

Now that's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in a while.

The difference is neither I nor most other Catholics are anti-EO or anti-OO. Heck, we even let the EO Commune in our Churches. We are charitable and loving to them yet they scoff at us and treat us like we are garbage.


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« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2010, 01:02:10 PM »

"Lo, those Christians, how they love one another!"
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« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2010, 01:02:44 PM »

Thanks - hey, you treat us second class citizens pretty nice! Cheesy


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« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2010, 01:05:17 PM »

We need a Orthodox Moderator On catholic Answers Forum ..Because the Catholic mods Are Banning the orthodox Posters....
That's because the Orthodox were causing trouble, gaining converts and such. Wink
Actually, it was because some of the EOs were very rude guests.
I browsed CAF the other day and I saw some discussions that Eastern Orthodox Christians were joining in and it seemed to remain civil. That is a good sign.
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« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2010, 01:23:44 PM »


But it was a eastern christian sub -forum for orthodox and eastern catholics ,Roman Catholics like you would come in and try to put us in our place by showing us the error of our ways, but to no avail ,so things got heated , Plus a few Catholics saw the errors of there belief and converted to the Orthodox Faith ..... Grin

Whats your excuse....
Didn't they ban you from there as well,was it for being rude as you claim that against the  orthodox ........ Grin
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We need a Orthodox Moderator On catholic Answers Forum ..Because the Catholic mods Are Banning the orthodox Posters....
That's because the Orthodox were causing trouble, gaining converts and such. Wink
Actually, it was because some of the EOs were very rude guests.
Actually, I was banned, back before the EOs were actually moderated. In the dark days, when the old moderator wouldn't allow Catholics to stand up for their faith, but allowed EOs to trample all over the Catholic Church. Then there was a change. I am confident that if I were to be on the forum today, now that we have the reasonable moderators who banned the very rude EOs, I would still be posting.
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« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2010, 01:27:03 PM »

Offensive to whom, the Eastern Orthodox? Perhaps I will quit being offensive when they start showing a bit more concern for being respectful to us.

No one forces you to stay here. If you feel persecuted, you can quit. Surprisingly not everyone from your confession feels that way, so maybe it's not about "the disrespect torwards the Catholics" but reactions of particular members?

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« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2010, 01:35:42 PM »

Offensive to whom, the Eastern Orthodox? Perhaps I will quit being offensive when they start showing a bit more concern for being respectful to us.
No one forces you to stay here. If you feel persecuted, you can quit. Surprisingly not everyone from your confession feels that way, so maybe it's not about "the disrespect torwards the Catholics" but reactions of particular members?
There's more than a few of us who feel persecuted. I just happen to be the one shouting the loudest right now. Plus, why would I leave after being persecuted? If anything, that makes me want to stay all the more, lest you guys have something to boast about (i.e. Woohoo! We ran off another evil Roman heretic!).
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But it was a eastern christian sub -forum for orthodox and eastern catholics ,Roman Catholics like you would come in and try to put us in our place by showing us the error of our ways, but to no avail ,so things got heated , Plus a few Catholics saw the errors of there belief and converted to the Orthodox Faith ..... Grin

Whats your excuse....
Didn't they ban you from there as well,was it for being rude as you claim that against the  orthodox ........ Grin
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That's because the Orthodox were causing trouble, gaining converts and such. Wink
Actually, it was because some of the EOs were very rude guests.
Actually, I was banned, back before the EOs were actually moderated. In the dark days, when the old moderator wouldn't allow Catholics to stand up for their faith, but allowed EOs to trample all over the Catholic Church. Then there was a change. I am confident that if I were to be on the forum today, now that we have the reasonable moderators who banned the very rude EOs, I would still be posting.
We did a pretty good job putting you in your place.  Grin
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« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2010, 02:09:59 PM »

This isn't the place to rehash what happened on CAF, so let's knock off that tangent and get back to the topic of the OP. Thank you.
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« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2010, 02:11:15 PM »

Offensive to whom, the Eastern Orthodox? Perhaps I will quit being offensive when they start showing a bit more concern for being respectful to us.
No one forces you to stay here. If you feel persecuted, you can quit. Surprisingly not everyone from your confession feels that way, so maybe it's not about "the disrespect torwards the Catholics" but reactions of particular members?
There's more than a few of us who feel persecuted. I just happen to be the one shouting the loudest right now. Plus, why would I leave after being persecuted? If anything, that makes me want to stay all the more, lest you guys have something to boast about (i.e. Woohoo! We ran off another evil Roman heretic!).
If there are others who feel persecuted as you say, would you be willing to let them speak for themselves? Maybe then we can get a real number.
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« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2010, 02:15:41 PM »


But it was a eastern christian sub -forum for orthodox and eastern catholics ,Roman Catholics like you would come in and try to put us in our place by showing us the error of our ways, but to no avail ,so things got heated , Plus a few Catholics saw the errors of there belief and converted to the Orthodox Faith ..... Grin

Stashko, if you were one of the banned Orthodox, I can easily see why they would have done it.
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« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2010, 02:16:54 PM »

Offensive to whom, the Eastern Orthodox? Perhaps I will quit being offensive when they start showing a bit more concern for being respectful to us.
No one forces you to stay here. If you feel persecuted, you can quit. Surprisingly not everyone from your confession feels that way, so maybe it's not about "the disrespect torwards the Catholics" but reactions of particular members?
There's more than a few of us who feel persecuted. I just happen to be the one shouting the loudest right now. Plus, why would I leave after being persecuted? If anything, that makes me want to stay all the more, lest you guys have something to boast about (i.e. Woohoo! We ran off another evil Roman heretic!).
If there are others who feel persecuted as you say, would you be willing to let them speak for themselves? Maybe then we can get a real number.
I would say that most of the moderators here are great. However, Peter, there are times when I have felt that you, as a moderator have picked on me. Though, I never have felt that it was worth my time to pursue the issue. I mean, I'm a guest here.
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« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2010, 02:28:42 PM »

Paisius, PLEASE modify your post above!  You have attributed a rather offensive quote to me which I most definitely did NOT say!!  Sad
Offensive to whom, the Eastern Orthodox? Perhaps I will quit being offensive when they start showing a bit more concern for being respectful to us.

I'm sure people were being respectful, even in disagreement, before you started with rhetoric like, "So I guess that is the fundamental difference between Catholicism vs. EO and OO...love versus no love. "
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« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2010, 02:38:40 PM »

We need a Orthodox Moderator On catholic Answers Forum ..Because the Catholic mods Are Banning the orthodox Posters....
That's because the Orthodox were causing trouble, gaining converts and such. Wink
Actually, it was because some of the EOs were very rude guests.
I browsed CAF the other day and I saw some discussions that Eastern Orthodox Christians were joining in and it seemed to remain civil. That is a good sign.

I resent the implication that activity on a particular forum on the internet is a reflection on Orthodoxy and relations between the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Roman Catholic Churches as a whole.

As a person who has participated in a joint prayer service between the Greek Orthodox Cathedral and Roman Catholic Cathedral in Atlanta, GA, I don't appreciate the sentiment that ALL Orthodox Christians are hostile towards the Church of Rome. This is simply not true.

While there are individuals on this forum who have stated less than loving sentiments towards our Catholic friends, that is not indicative of how all of us feel. As anyone who has spent any time on any internet forums should know, the participants of the forum are not necessarily reflecting the views of the larger population. If one was to actually GO to an Orthodox parish and survey the parishioners, you would find that most do NOT harbor ill feelings towards the Catholic Church, and actually do hope and pray for a reunification at some point.

I know you may find this hard to believe Wyatt, but most of us do not spend our time making snarky comments about the Catholic Church. Rather, most of us are spending our time trying to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Furthermore, as far as apologetics go, whenever I am explaining my Orthodox faith to those unfamiliar with the Church, I usually spend the first half of the discussion defending Catholicism, and the second half of the discussion explaining how Orthodoxy is different from Catholicism. So rather than persecuting the Catholic Church, quite often you will find Orthodox Christians as one of her great defenders.

I am sorry that you have been offended by the actions of a few, but please realize that a few bad apples don't spoil the whole bunch.
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« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2010, 03:09:35 PM »

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But I also think he was not meaning between two who have faith in him as Christians . I know that we have more to be together over than apart.We are all one nation of christians

Personally I have been in freinds weddings where I took communion in a Catholic church and my Orthodox preist would tell me I should not but I believe I will not be held accountable for that by Jesus on judgement day .
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The conversion of souls is the gathering of them to Christ as their ruler and refuge; and he died to effect this. By dying he purchased them to himself, and the gift of the Holy Ghost for them: his love in dying for believers should unite them closely together.
 

I will continue to celebrate with any and all Christians as much as I can even though I may not always be welcome or following my official church doctrine.
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« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2010, 03:50:37 PM »

I will continue to celebrate with any and all Christians as much as I can....
Even Mormons?
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« Reply #85 on: November 02, 2010, 03:54:29 PM »

I will continue to celebrate with any and all Christians as much as I can....
Even Mormons?

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« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2010, 03:59:17 PM »

I will continue to celebrate with any and all Christians as much as I can....
Even Mormons?

Bold.

And what is his criteria for determining what constitutes genuine Christianity?
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« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2010, 04:15:30 PM »

Paisius, PLEASE modify your post above!  You have attributed a rather offensive quote to me which I most definitely did NOT say!!  Sad
Offensive to whom, the Eastern Orthodox? Perhaps I will quit being offensive when they start showing a bit more concern for being respectful to us.

I'm sure people were being respectful, even in disagreement, before you started with rhetoric like, "So I guess that is the fundamental difference between Catholicism vs. EO and OO...love versus no love. "

 laugh  I think Wyatt was thinking of many things here that are passed over as though they really are all right to say and do.  Not just this moment. 

It seems to me that the Catholics here should take a page out of Deacon Lance's book.  Post only that which is factual and do not pretend that we are all friends and try to get chatty.  Ignore the provocations and keep posting what is real as succinctly as possible.

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« Reply #88 on: November 02, 2010, 04:18:29 PM »

Since it is apparently my work product that is being critiqued here, I feel I should respond in some way, but it's not going to be tonight.  I am hopped up on cold medicine in an effort to stave off a wicked attack of sinusitis that had to happen, of course, while I was on a mini-vacation with my dear wife.  I am starting to feel better and, when I do and have the mental acuity to respond, I will.

I pray that you feel better. 

From my point of view, under the circumstances, I think you do a good job here Schultz, and we should all be happy to have you as moderator of this section of the Forum.  It's a stinky job some days, I am absolutely certain of that.

So thank you very much for your attention and good work.

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« Reply #89 on: November 02, 2010, 04:23:14 PM »

Dear Wyatt,

Be at peace.  There will never be Catholic moderators on this Forum.  I would not expect it.  Some things in this world must simply be what they are and we must not try to make them something they are not, neither by reason nor by force.

Best advertising for Catholics is kindness in the face of unkindness and false witness.

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