OrthodoxChristianity.net
July 30, 2014, 09:19:01 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Reminder: No political discussions in the public fora.  If you do not have access to the private Politics Forum, please send a PM to Fr. George.
 
   Home   Help Calendar Contact Treasury Tags Login Register  
Pages: 1   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: some thing over here  (Read 643 times) Average Rating: 0
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
NIKODIMOSETHIO
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: ORIENTAL CHURCH
Jurisdiction: ETHIOPIAN ORTHODOX
Posts: 36



« on: October 27, 2010, 08:49:27 AM »

we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists

i need some comments about this statement

Logged
Father Peter
Archon
********
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: British Orthodox Church within the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate
Posts: 2,605



WWW
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2010, 08:56:37 AM »

I would say your list is not true.

I would say...

It is true that God exists ... more true than anything else in my life.

It is true that I know that God exists ... more than I know anything else in my life.

It is true that I believe that God exists ... just as I believe that my wife and my children exist.

We have a personal experience of God. Our faith is not an intellectual affirmation, like I believe that the third planet of our solar system is the Earth. It is a living trust in a person who is known and who knows us. It is like saying I know that my father exists and loves me.

I know that it is true that God exists because I experience Him every day.

Father Peter
Logged

Lord have mercy upon me a sinner
http://www.orthodoxmedway.org

My blog - http://anorthodoxpriest.blogspot.co.uk

The poster formerly known as peterfarrington
Justin Kissel
Formerly Asteriktos
Protospatharios
****************
Offline Offline

Faith: refuse
Posts: 29,353


« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2010, 08:58:42 AM »

we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists

i need some comments about this statement

This is accurate, you do not know that God exists, you only believe.
Logged
PeterTheAleut
The Right Blowhard Peter the Furtive of Yetts O'Muckhart
Section Moderator
Protospatharios
*****
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction: OCA
Posts: 31,586


Lord, have mercy on the Christians in Mosul!


« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2010, 09:00:25 AM »

we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists

i need some comments about this statement

This is accurate, you do not know that God exists, you only believe.
Define "know".
Logged
Justin Kissel
Formerly Asteriktos
Protospatharios
****************
Offline Offline

Faith: refuse
Posts: 29,353


« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2010, 10:26:35 AM »

Define "know".

If your perception of something matched reality with exactitude and certainty, then you could say "I know..." 
Logged
Heorhij
Merarches
***********
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: GOA, for now, but my heart belongs to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
Posts: 8,576



WWW
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 10:37:22 AM »

Define "know".

If your perception of something matched reality with exactitude and certainty, then you could say "I know..." 

Define reality. Wink
Logged

Love never fails.
Father Peter
Archon
********
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: British Orthodox Church within the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate
Posts: 2,605



WWW
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 10:42:57 AM »

But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.
Logged

Lord have mercy upon me a sinner
http://www.orthodoxmedway.org

My blog - http://anorthodoxpriest.blogspot.co.uk

The poster formerly known as peterfarrington
Justin Kissel
Formerly Asteriktos
Protospatharios
****************
Offline Offline

Faith: refuse
Posts: 29,353


« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 10:53:09 AM »

Define reality. Wink

But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.

Exactly!  Grin
Logged
Father Peter
Archon
********
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: British Orthodox Church within the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate
Posts: 2,605



WWW
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 11:18:03 AM »

But that view is plainly falsified by the experience of all Orthodox Christians.

Logged

Lord have mercy upon me a sinner
http://www.orthodoxmedway.org

My blog - http://anorthodoxpriest.blogspot.co.uk

The poster formerly known as peterfarrington
Dart
High Elder
******
Offline Offline

Faith: Greek Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Greek Orthodox
Posts: 655


« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2010, 11:58:18 AM »

I know that God exists only in so far as I know that I exist.

But this is only necessary for those that doubt their own existance. For those that accept themselves as reality then "I know God exists" is sufficient without qualifiers.

Personally, I agree with Asteriktos in that I am not sure Asteriktos is real.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2010, 11:59:15 AM by Dart » Logged
Iconodule
Uranopolitan
Taxiarches
**********
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction: OCA (Diocese of Eastern Pennsylvania)
Posts: 6,861


"My god is greater."


« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2010, 12:07:22 PM »

But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.

I think it would undercut materialism, too, and eventually lead to nihilism.
Logged

"A riddle or the cricket's cry
Is to doubt a fit reply." - William Blake

Quote from: Byron
Just ignore iconotools delusions. He is the biggest multiculturalist globalist there is due to his unfortunate background.
Tags:
Pages: 1   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.069 seconds with 37 queries.