NIKODIMOSETHIO
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« on: October 27, 2010, 08:49:27 AM » |
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we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists
i need some comments about this statement
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Father Peter
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2010, 08:56:37 AM » |
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I would say your list is not true.
I would say...
It is true that God exists ... more true than anything else in my life.
It is true that I know that God exists ... more than I know anything else in my life.
It is true that I believe that God exists ... just as I believe that my wife and my children exist.
We have a personal experience of God. Our faith is not an intellectual affirmation, like I believe that the third planet of our solar system is the Earth. It is a living trust in a person who is known and who knows us. It is like saying I know that my father exists and loves me.
I know that it is true that God exists because I experience Him every day.
Father Peter
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Asteriktos
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2010, 08:58:42 AM » |
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we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists
i need some comments about this statement
This is accurate, you do not know that God exists, you only believe. |
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PeterTheAleut
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2010, 09:00:25 AM » |
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we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists
i need some comments about this statement
This is accurate, you do not know that God exists, you only believe. Define "know". |
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Asteriktos
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2010, 10:26:35 AM » |
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Define "know".
If your perception of something matched reality with exactitude and certainty, then you could say "I know..." |
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Heorhij
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 10:37:22 AM » |
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Define "know".
If your perception of something matched reality with exactitude and certainty, then you could say "I know..." Define reality.  |
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 10:42:57 AM » |
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But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.
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Asteriktos
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 10:53:09 AM » |
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Define reality. But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.
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Father Peter
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 11:18:03 AM » |
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But that view is plainly falsified by the experience of all Orthodox Christians.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2010, 11:58:18 AM » |
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I know that God exists only in so far as I know that I exist.
But this is only necessary for those that doubt their own existance. For those that accept themselves as reality then "I know God exists" is sufficient without qualifiers.
Personally, I agree with Asteriktos in that I am not sure Asteriktos is real.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2010, 12:07:22 PM » |
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But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.
I think it would undercut materialism, too, and eventually lead to nihilism. |
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