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Offline NIKODIMOSETHIO

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some thing over here
« on: October 27, 2010, 08:49:27 AM »
we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists

i need some comments about this statement


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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2010, 08:56:37 AM »
I would say your list is not true.

I would say...

It is true that God exists ... more true than anything else in my life.

It is true that I know that God exists ... more than I know anything else in my life.

It is true that I believe that God exists ... just as I believe that my wife and my children exist.

We have a personal experience of God. Our faith is not an intellectual affirmation, like I believe that the third planet of our solar system is the Earth. It is a living trust in a person who is known and who knows us. It is like saying I know that my father exists and loves me.

I know that it is true that God exists because I experience Him every day.

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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2010, 08:58:42 AM »
we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists

i need some comments about this statement

This is accurate, you do not know that God exists, you only believe.
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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2010, 09:00:25 AM »
we donot say, it is true that GOD exists
we donot say, we know that GOD exists
but we say, we believe that god exists

i need some comments about this statement

This is accurate, you do not know that God exists, you only believe.
Define "know".
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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2010, 10:26:35 AM »
Define "know".

If your perception of something matched reality with exactitude and certainty, then you could say "I know..." 
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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 10:37:22 AM »
Define "know".

If your perception of something matched reality with exactitude and certainty, then you could say "I know..." 

Define reality. ;)
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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 10:42:57 AM »
But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.
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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 10:53:09 AM »
Define reality. ;)

But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.

Exactly!  ;D
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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 11:18:03 AM »
But that view is plainly falsified by the experience of all Orthodox Christians.

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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2010, 11:58:18 AM »
I know that God exists only in so far as I know that I exist.

But this is only necessary for those that doubt their own existance. For those that accept themselves as reality then "I know God exists" is sufficient without qualifiers.

Personally, I agree with Asteriktos in that I am not sure Asteriktos is real.
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Re: some thing over here
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2010, 12:07:22 PM »
But that means we can know nothing and privileges a materialist view of the world.

I think it would undercut materialism, too, and eventually lead to nihilism.
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