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« Reply #1620 on: January 11, 2011, 05:18:11 PM »

Dattaswami, maybe you should autotune your sermons. Everything sounds better autotuned.

Some of the best autotunes for inspiration.  Grin

Autotune News 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBb4cjjj1gI
Double Rainbow song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0D4oZwCsA&feature=channel
Bed Intruder song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw&feature=channel
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« Reply #1621 on: January 11, 2011, 05:24:14 PM »

Dattaswami, maybe you should autotune your sermons. Everything sounds better autotuned.

True.

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« Reply #1622 on: January 11, 2011, 10:18:59 PM »

Can we use all the Religions in our spiritual effort?

Think that you are the universal human being and not a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim. You belong to all the Religions, which are the same syllabus in different languages. The same Lord appeared in different forms. Every Religion has a Gem. Use all the Gems in your spiritual life. Are you not using the Muslim petrol, scientific technology of Christians and analytical brain of Hindus in your materialistic life? Similarly you can use the merit of each Religion. Suppose paddy is grown in one part, pulses are grown in another part and vegetables are grown in some other part of the country. The department of civil supplies is moving rice, pulses and vegetables through out the country so that every person in the country has rice, pulses and vegetable curry in his meal plate. Such a meal only can give the full satisfaction to every body.

Muslims are famous in regularity, discipline and firmness in the faith of the Lord. Even if it is not a holiday and even if it is working time and even in the journey they will pray the Lord. Hindus worship the Lord in the leisure time and Christians worship the Lord on a holiday. Similarly the love of Christians is a Gem. They love even their enemies and give funds to the spiritual centers of other Religions also. In Hindus tolerance is the Gem. They worship different forms of the same Lord. Therefore have firm faith and discipline like a Muslim. Show love even to your enemies like a Christian. Worship the different forms of the same Lord of all the Religions in the same manner like a Hindu. All these merits are like rivers merging in the ocean of spiritualism. Be a sea fish. Don’t be a stagnant river fish. All the Religions in the advanced stage mix and become one and the same in the spiritual ocean. http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge


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« Reply #1623 on: January 11, 2011, 10:20:20 PM »

Can we use all the Religions in our spiritual effort?

No.
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« Reply #1624 on: January 11, 2011, 11:11:08 PM »

Can we use all the Religions in our spiritual effort?

Think that you are the universal human being and not a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim. You belong to all the Religions, which are the same syllabus in different languages. The same Lord appeared in different forms. Every Religion has a Gem.

I await with bated breath the great Dattaji's exposition on the "Gems" of Scientology, Raelianism, and Satanism.
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« Reply #1625 on: January 12, 2011, 12:11:46 AM »

Can we use all the Religions in our spiritual effort?

Think that you are the universal human being and not a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim. You belong to all the Religions, which are the same syllabus in different languages. The same Lord appeared in different forms. Every Religion has a Gem.

I await with bated breath the great Dattaji's exposition on the "Gems" of Scientology, Raelianism, and Satanism.

Science is not above God

Everywhere the universal perception should be the basis of authority
In that case science is also satisfied because scientists believe this only
Knowledge should be scientific, and then only it can be systematic
Of course the Lord is above the science, which is the logic in this world
But you are not above the science and your ways must be scientific
You must detect the Lord who is above the science through scientific ways only

Science is the nature and through the natural rules only you can catch the Lord
You cannot catch the Lord directly because you are not above the nature
You are a part of the nature and therefore your ways cannot be supernatural.
When it is impossible to adopt the ways above the nature
How can you catch the Lord who is beyond this nature?
Nature is creation and the Lord is the creator


Creator is beyond the creation as we can see in the world itself
The pot maker is different from the pot and therefore stick to nature
Infact owing to this limitation of yourself, the Lord is coming down
He enters the best part of the nature, which is the human being
The word Brahman means the best; human being is the best in the world
Therefore human beings is called Brahman within the boundary of the world
Brahman is greater than the greatest and therefore is the ultimate greatest.
When such Brahman enters the world, He will enter the best part only
When the king enters the town, he enters the best house in the town.


He cannot enter a worst hut, which is below his dignity.
Therefore Brahman can never enter any inert object, which is the lowest
Brahman also will not enter trees birds and animals because
They are higher than the inert object but not the highest.
The advaita scholars are mislead at this juncture because
When it is told that the human being is Brahman, they understood
That the human being is the ultimate highest, but it is not so,
This is the reason why the Lord is called Para Brahman
Para Brahman means greater than Brahman that is greater than the human being
You can experience Him through the human incarnation
Thus you’re experiencing Him through nature and everything is setup http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge



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« Reply #1626 on: January 12, 2011, 12:15:43 AM »

Can we use all the Religions in our spiritual effort?

Think that you are the universal human being and not a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim. You belong to all the Religions, which are the same syllabus in different languages. The same Lord appeared in different forms. Every Religion has a Gem.

I await with bated breath the great Dattaji's exposition on the "Gems" of Scientology, Raelianism, and Satanism.

Don't forget Jediism, surely we can't start being spiritual snobs and excluding such newcomers!  Smiley
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« Reply #1627 on: January 12, 2011, 01:06:25 AM »

Datta, I think you confused "science" with "Scientology" - not that others haven't made the same mistake. Wink

Still, one would think that a God in human flesh would be aware of such things.
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« Reply #1628 on: January 12, 2011, 01:42:04 AM »

This thread:
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« Reply #1629 on: January 12, 2011, 01:45:31 AM »

This thread:

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« Reply #1630 on: January 12, 2011, 09:53:30 AM »

Can we use all the Religions in our spiritual effort?

Think that you are the universal human being and not a Hindu or a Christian or a Muslim. You belong to all the Religions, which are the same syllabus in different languages. The same Lord appeared in different forms. Every Religion has a Gem.

I await with bated breath the great Dattaji's exposition on the "Gems" of Scientology, Raelianism, and Satanism.




Don't forget Jediism, surely we can't start being spiritual snobs and excluding such newcomers!  Smiley

The other religions whether major or minor are in the lines of the Major religions like Hinduism, Bhudhism, Christianity , Islam and Science (Atheism). Science is mentioned as a religion because atheism is mentioned as a religion under the headline ‘Nastika matam’.

 Religion means a line of thinking (Matam). Jainism is almost similar to Bhuddism. Their argument about seven fold existence is discussed separately in different branches of Hinduism. The Persian religion concentrates on the worship of the fire which is similar to the branch of Hinduism called ‘Soura Matam’ in which the natural object, sun, is worshiped as God. This concept is discussed in the topic of representative worship (Pratika- Puja).
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« Reply #1631 on: January 12, 2011, 09:55:02 AM »

Datta, I think you confused "science" with "Scientology" - not that others haven't made the same mistake. Wink

Still, one would think that a God in human flesh would be aware of such things.

The God of science


   According to science, inert energy is basic material of this universe, which creates, maintains and finally dissolves entire creation and is the God of science.  The design of the world doesn’t require the need of awareness because a long duration of time has set up the design of world perfectly by the theory of probability.  Scientists do not accept the necessity of an intellectual agent to design this wonderful world as philosophers imagine in Vedanta (Brahmasutras). If this is the end of the story, science could have easily disposed the proposal of Vedanta and the scriptures can be easily concluded as poetic imaginations of certain poets.

 It can be easily concluded that certain people have created this poetry to exploit the society in the name of God. Anyone can easily believe science and by this time the world should have been filled with atheists only and today, the minority should be theists.

 But surprisingly the majority is theists and minority is only atheists.  The atheists say that since majority is uneducated, theism exists due to possibility of easy exploitation of uneducated people.  But even educated people show majority of theists only all over the world.  What is the reason for this?  The reason for this is that the unimaginable God is showing miracles in the lives of several people to establish the existence of unimaginable God. 

Not only this, the unimaginable God is exhibiting unimaginable miracles through several devotees and also demons widely.  Not only this, God is coming in human form and is offering explanation of the miracles and concept of God.  Genuine miracles are many in the world and the minority of atheists is unable to dispose these miracles as magic.  You may write the correct answer through copying in the examination.  Some body might have also written the same correct answer without copying in the examination.  Since the answer is one and same, can you say that the other person who has written the correct answer also copied necessarily? The product may be same but the methods of production vary. Sodium chloride can be produced in several ways.

You have produced it in one way.  I have produced it in another way.  The end product is the same sodium chloride.  You cannot say that I have also produced in your way only.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge 

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« Reply #1632 on: January 12, 2011, 10:45:23 AM »

Science is not the same as Scientology, dattaspammi.  You're just continuing to prove to all of us that YOU   ARE   NOT   GOD!!!
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Science is not the same as Scientology, dattaspammi.  You're just continuing to prove to all of us that YOU   ARE   NOT   GOD!!!

The difference between a devotee and a human incarnation is that, God entered the devotee to become human incarnation. The devotee is a tree (body) and its bird (soul). In human incarnation this tree contains two birds (Soul and God). Whether he is a devotee or a human incarnation, the soul of devotee should be aware that it is not God and should pass on the credit to God.

 If the soul takes credit, even the human incarnation gets insulted by God as in the case of Parashurama. The devotee and human incarnation worshipped as God must be always in Dvaita. Every devotee has equal chance of becoming human incarnation. The devotee should rise to that level. Therefore, there is no need of any jealousy towards any human incarnation. Ego should never appear and God – bird will quit the tree as soon as even a trace of the smell of ego appears. The devotee becomes human incarnation for a particular work of the divine mission.
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« Reply #1634 on: January 12, 2011, 01:10:36 PM »

Science is not the same as Scientology, dattaspammi.  You're just continuing to prove to all of us that YOU   ARE   NOT   GOD!!!

The difference between a devotee and a human incarnation is that, God entered the devotee to become human incarnation. The devotee is a tree (body) and its bird (soul). In human incarnation this tree contains two birds (Soul and God). Whether he is a devotee or a human incarnation, the soul of devotee should be aware that it is not God and should pass on the credit to God.

 If the soul takes credit, even the human incarnation gets insulted by God as in the case of Parashurama. The devotee and human incarnation worshipped as God must be always in Dvaita. Every devotee has equal chance of becoming human incarnation. The devotee should rise to that level. Therefore, there is no need of any jealousy towards any human incarnation. Ego should never appear and God – bird will quit the tree as soon as even a trace of the smell of ego appears. The devotee becomes human incarnation for a particular work of the divine mission.

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« Reply #1635 on: January 12, 2011, 02:53:49 PM »

datta, when did you come to realize that you were God?
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« Reply #1636 on: January 12, 2011, 05:00:02 PM »

Science is not the same as Scientology, dattaspammi.  You're just continuing to prove to all of us that YOU   ARE   NOT   GOD!!!

The difference between a devotee and a human incarnation is that, God entered the devotee to become human incarnation. The devotee is a tree (body) and its bird (soul). In human incarnation this tree contains two birds (Soul and God). Whether he is a devotee or a human incarnation, the soul of devotee should be aware that it is not God and should pass on the credit to God.

 If the soul takes credit, even the human incarnation gets insulted by God as in the case of Parashurama. The devotee and human incarnation worshipped as God must be always in Dvaita. Every devotee has equal chance of becoming human incarnation. The devotee should rise to that level. Therefore, there is no need of any jealousy towards any human incarnation. Ego should never appear and God – bird will quit the tree as soon as even a trace of the smell of ego appears. The devotee becomes human incarnation for a particular work of the divine mission.

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« Reply #1637 on: January 12, 2011, 05:07:46 PM »

According to science, inert energy is basic material of this universe...
Inert energy?  I think that word combination defies both the laws of physics and the rules of written English.  What the heck is inert energy?
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« Reply #1638 on: January 12, 2011, 05:49:25 PM »

According to science, inert energy is basic material of this universe...
Inert energy?  I think that word combination defies both the laws of physics and the rules of written English.  What the heck is inert energy?

Hey, Orthodoxy have terms like "bright sadness" and "static movement"... so if God here wants to make up a phrase or two, who are we mortals to argue?

EDIT--And by the by, if you do a Google search for "inert energy," you'll see that the phrase has been used by data-spammer all over the internet, so it must be true.
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Hey, Orthodoxy have terms like "bright sadness" and "static movement"... so if God here wants to make up a phrase or two, who are we mortals to argue?

EDIT--And by the by, if you do a Google search for "inert energy," you'll see that the phrase has been used by data-spammer all over the internet, so it must be true.

Asteriktos, if you came up with this name...genius!  laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #1640 on: January 12, 2011, 05:58:43 PM »

I must admit that it was just a variant of the name "dattaspammi" used by Theistgal Wink
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« Reply #1641 on: January 12, 2011, 08:18:13 PM »

LOL - yes, "dattaspammi" is mine!  My precious!  Cheesy
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According to science, inert energy is basic material of this universe...
Inert energy?  I think that word combination defies both the laws of physics and the rules of written English.  What the heck is inert energy?

Inert energy represent energy. We can say that work is a form of inert energy.  But we should not say that there is no difference between inert energy and work.  If there is no difference between inert energy and work, what is the necessity of generation of a new word, work?  The work must be different from inert energy and therefore a new word, work, is created.  If you say that there is no difference between inert energy and work, there should be no work at all except the inert energy.

If work and energy are only one entity, there is no need of the generation of two separate words like work and energy. If both are one and the same, as soon as energy is produced the corresponding work also must have been generated simultaneously.  There should not be two subsequent stages of energy and work.

   If both energy and work are different from each other, for the generation of every quantum of work there should not be corresponding disappearance of one quantum of energy in the body.  For example, if one calorie of energy disappears, you have walked one mile.  If you have walked two miles, two calories of energy disappear correspondingly.  This means, only the energy is converted into work and not any other item like the instrument used in the work. By walking two miles the instrumental legs have not disappeared partially by two quanta like two calories.  Hence, the instrument is not involved in the conversion in to work.  Therefore, work is only another form of energy.  

   The above two versions are contradicting to each other.  One says that energy and work are one and the same.  The other says that energy and work are different.  The conclusion of this contradiction must be given.  We say that the work is basically the energy but it becomes different due to the association of instrument.  The notable energy becomes un-notable work due to the association of instrument and hence the work can be neither identified as the notable work or notable instrument.  The process of walking is work. It is different form the instrumental legs and also the causal energy.  We can notice only energy and legs and the work, which is different from these two, cannot be noticed. The inert heat energy can be noticed by thermometer directly and the instrumental legs are directly noticed by the two eyes.  But the process of walking as invisible work cannot be noticed directly.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge  


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« Reply #1643 on: January 13, 2011, 05:49:23 AM »

datta, when did you come to realize that you were God?

Long back, there was an incident. My devotees forced Me to come to Shri Sivananda Maharaj who was considered to be the disciple of Shri Narasimha Sarswati and he was considered to be living from the past 500 years! The Maharaj shows the miracles like materializing the objects just by will. My devotees wanted to test Me through Maharaj. Even the gold is tested through the fire. When they forced Me, I started refusing to come. This raised their doubt on Me more and more. I know about Myself that I am only the glittering rolled Gold and not the original gold. Like the rolled gold, I am only coated as Datta externally like an actor acting in the role of Datta. Therefore, I feared to approach Maharaj. But the devotees insisted Me to come there so that the truth will come out once for all. I came there because there was no alternative to escape.

Perhaps, Maharaj understood My problem and fear. Perhaps, the kindest Lord Datta wanted to save Me from that critical situation. As soon as Maharaj saw Me, he stated to all the devotees “All of you are searching for Datta. But here is Datta”. I thanked Maharaj and Lord Datta in My mind for their infinite love even on a false devotee like Me! Maharaj told the devotees, who accompanied Me “You are thinking that Datta is coming now and then on this Dattaswami. You are fully mislead. Datta stays always in this Dattaswami”. I was shocked by the climax of the infinite kindness of Datta on an undeserving devotee like Me.

This statement of Maharaj has some previous reference to My old statement. Whenever I preached the divine knowledge, I used to say that Datta enters Me and preaches this and after the preaching Datta goes away. My devotees believed this. Therefore, the statement of Maharaj was referring this. Here also I was telling the lie because such a holy Datta can never enter this unholy devotee. Datta is only transmitting the knowledge into Me like a power station sending current (knowledge) to a house situated in most dirty slum area. If I say this truth, My devotees will not believe Me at all and there is no other alternative than this. I cannot also say that this knowledge is generated by Me because that will be also a lie since such wonderful divine knowledge can be created only by God. I am telling the absolute truth everywhere because I do not fear for the public here, but I have tremendous fear for Lord Yama who punishes a liar especially in the spiritual field.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge   

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LOL - yes, "dattaspammi" is mine!  My precious!  Cheesy

Sathya Sai Baba one day told that if somebody criticizes Him as hair-basket Baba, He is not worried since it is truth.  If somebody criticizes Him as ball-headed Baba, then also, He is not worried since it is a lie. Hence, in any case tension and reaction are meaningless since the criticism is either perfectly true or perfectly false.  The criticism of atheists is perfectly true in the case of false human incarnations and perfectly false in the case of true human incarnation.

When one throws fire on you if you throw fire against him in return, can your fire extinguish the opposite fire? The fire thrown by you cannot pacify the injuries caused by your enemy’s fire on your body. The injuries caused by your fire on the body of your enemy will increase the strength of your enmity with him. If you throw water against his fire, your water can extinguish the opposite fire. The water fallen on your enemy generates repentance in your enemy and the enmity ends forever. A scholar shows love as an answer to violence. An ignorant person shows anger as an answer to anger.
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chrevbel, theistgal, PoorFoolNicholas, Agia Marina and others, please stop teasing on this guy. You mast have already learned that he is incapable of establishing a serious discussion. Let's ignore him and hope that he will get bored and leave us to start preaching his drivel elsewhere.
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chrevbel, theistgal, PoorFoolNicholas, Agia Marina and others, please stop teasing on this guy. You mast have already learned that he is incapable of establishing a serious discussion. Let's ignore him and hope that he will get bored and leave us to start preaching his drivel elsewhere.

God need not be consoled

 You need not show sympathy to the Lord if He is brooding over some personal misery. From the external weeping, you mistake the Lord as suffering from the misery. In fact, the Lord is enjoying His weeping resulted by the misery. You are always weeping externally and internally due to misery and therefore you should be consoled. The Lord need not be consoled since He is weeping externally and is enjoying the weeping internally. You should not judge the Lord on your standards.

You should understand the Lord on His standards. Therefore Yoga means the equality in the enjoyment of mind in both happiness and misery like God. The Yoga always refers the state of God achieved by you. Whenever a great fortune is achieved, it is denoted by the word Yoga. Therefore you will attain the state of Advaita through Yoga only. When such a state is achieved in practice, it is called as Karmayoga. When such a state is understood with full clarification, it is called as Jnanayoga. When such a state is achieved by you in practice through your powerful liking to God, it is called as Bhaktiyoga.
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« Reply #1647 on: January 13, 2011, 10:58:14 AM »

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God will not use his super power as far as possible unless a very rare occasion of protecting the most deserving devotee arises. A good administrator will always run the institution on the natural wheels of the rules already setup. As far as possible, he will not disturb the routine and natural functioning of the system. This is the reason for the Lord Krishna not to change the mind of Duryodhana ( a demon), who was rigidly favoring the war. He did not use the super power in the case of Arjuna (a devotee) also, when Arjuna was against the war. In the case of Duryodhana the Lord tried His best to stop the war. In the case of Arjuna the same Lord tried His best to provoke Arjuna to fight the war. In both cases, He has taken lot of time and put best efforts through long preaching.

 In the case of Duryodhana the Lord failed and in the case of Arjuna the Lord succeeded. Of course virtually it is failure of Duryodhana and success of Arjuna to assimilate the advice from the Lord. However from the angle of the Lord, the effort was put by the Lord and hence from the point of effort it has to be considered as failure and success of Lord only.

The total essence is that the Lord is not bothered about the success and failure of His efforts put based on natural setup of the creation. If the individual soul fails in its effort, it will try to use the superpower if it is in possession of such superpower. But the Lord never used such superpower since He wants that everything should run on the natural rules setup by Him.

 In both the cases the Lord could have changed their minds in a fraction of second by using His superpower. In both the cases, He never used His superpower and tried to achieve result through the natural effort only. Therefore God is always fond of doing things based on the natural setup of administration. He is never fond of exhibiting His superpower. http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge 
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« Reply #1648 on: January 13, 2011, 11:18:41 AM »

chrevbel, theistgal, PoorFoolNicholas, Agia Marina and others, please stop teasing on this guy. You mast have already learned that he is incapable of establishing a serious discussion. Let's ignore him and hope that he will get bored and leave us to start preaching his drivel elsewhere.

Amen. I find it odd that this obscure topic is the longest topic currently ongoing. There are many contemporary topics posted that are critical to the understanding of the Faith that rarely seem to provoke any discussions, yet this one goes on and on and on.
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« Reply #1649 on: January 13, 2011, 11:39:35 AM »

chrevbel, theistgal, PoorFoolNicholas, Agia Marina and others, please stop teasing on this guy. You mast have already learned that he is incapable of establishing a serious discussion. Let's ignore him and hope that he will get bored and leave us to start preaching his drivel elsewhere.

Amen. I find it odd that this obscure topic is the longest topic currently ongoing. There are many contemporary topics posted that are critical to the understanding of the Faith that rarely seem to provoke any discussions, yet this one goes on and on and on.

It's kind of like the Jersey Shore thread. Not much substance, but people still strangely watch it.  Cheesy
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« Reply #1650 on: January 13, 2011, 12:21:07 PM »

chrevbel, theistgal, PoorFoolNicholas, Agia Marina and others, please stop
Okay.  I'm tapping out.
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Ok, I will also no longer post in this thread as well.
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« Reply #1652 on: January 13, 2011, 12:52:55 PM »

chrevbel, theistgal, PoorFoolNicholas, Agia Marina and others, please stop teasing on this guy. You mast have already learned that he is incapable of establishing a serious discussion. Let's ignore him and hope that he will get bored and leave us to start preaching his drivel elsewhere.

Amen. I find it odd that this obscure topic is the longest topic currently ongoing. There are many contemporary topics posted that are critical to the understanding of the Faith that rarely seem to provoke any discussions, yet this one goes on and on and on.

It's kind of like the Jersey Shore thread. Not much substance, but people still strangely watch it.  Cheesy

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« Reply #1653 on: January 13, 2011, 01:50:59 PM »

LOL - yes, "dattaspammi" is mine!  My precious!  Cheesy

Sathya Sai Baba one day told that if somebody criticizes Him as hair-basket Baba, He is not worried since it is truth.  If somebody criticizes Him as ball-headed Baba, then also, He is not worried since it is a lie.

Well, I'm just asking for more treatises I'm sure, but since you bring up Sathya Sai Baba, he ALSO claims to be God incarnate, yet you say God can only incarnate in one person per generation at a time. So why are your claims any more credible than his? Justg curious since his devotees would think that YOU are a fraud . . . (or honestly mistaken etc) I've asked this before I never really received a satisfactory answer. (something about paying you money was your answer before)

Sai baba's followers claim his is God, why are they wrong and you're right? I've seen his "miracles" all over youtube, um I learned how that stuff was done when I was teenager and really into "magic" (ie: slight of hand stuff) Nothing real about, nothing miraculous, it just takes lots and lots of practice, and sometimes good props. Smiley

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« Reply #1654 on: January 14, 2011, 02:10:00 AM »

LOL - yes, "dattaspammi" is mine!  My precious!  Cheesy

Sathya Sai Baba one day told that if somebody criticizes Him as hair-basket Baba, He is not worried since it is truth.  If somebody criticizes Him as ball-headed Baba, then also, He is not worried since it is a lie.

Well, I'm just asking for more treatises I'm sure, but since you bring up Sathya Sai Baba, he ALSO claims to be God incarnate, yet you say God can only incarnate in one person per generation at a time. So why are your claims any more credible than his? Justg curious since his devotees would think that YOU are a fraud . . . (or honestly mistaken etc) I've asked this before I never really received a satisfactory answer. (something about paying you money was your answer before)



God comes in human form in more than one form, also according to the requirement. God is only one and He can come in different human forms to cater to people of different spiritual levels at the same time.

He preaches according to the level of the people. At the highest level HE introduces the naked truth. The number of real devotees in the highest level is very very low.

It is like a PHD class in which the professor preaches directly to the students.

God also come to preach at lower levels also. Here do not misunderstand that God is incapable in those human forms! God is capable but the corresponding devotees are not capable enough to understand and really follow the truth in its fullest form in practice.

Hence at lower level, the God in human form will preach love one another, do social service, serving humanity is serving God etc. Here He will not preach higher truth that, God in human form is GOd Himself, one has to cut all worldly bond to come near and dear to God in human form etc etc.

Social service is introduced at the lower level so that they will do social service for a long time and by doing it their ego and jealosy towards co-human beings will get reduced, when they mature in this, then they are eligible to recieve the higher truth.


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« Reply #1655 on: January 14, 2011, 02:12:37 AM »

LOL - yes, "dattaspammi" is mine!  My precious!  Cheesy

Sathya Sai Baba one day told that if somebody criticizes Him as hair-basket Baba, He is not worried since it is truth.  If somebody criticizes Him as ball-headed Baba, then also, He is not worried since it is a lie.

Well, I'm just asking for more treatises I'm sure, but since you bring up Sathya Sai Baba, he ALSO claims to be God incarnate, yet you say God can only incarnate in one person per generation at a time. So why are your claims any more credible than his? Justg curious since his devotees would think that YOU are a fraud . . . (or honestly mistaken etc) I've asked this before I never really received a satisfactory answer. (something about paying you money was your answer before)

Sai baba's followers claim his is God, why are they wrong and you're right? I've seen his "miracles" all over youtube, um I learned how that stuff was done when I was teenager and really into "magic" (ie: slight of hand stuff) Nothing real about, nothing miraculous, it just takes lots and lots of practice, and sometimes good props. Smiley



    Shri Baba is reincarnation of Shiridi Sai Baba, who was the incarnation of Lord Datta.  Datta means the God given to humanity in human form.  Shri Baba did several miracles to establish the unimaginable God.  This time needs His mission to establish the existence of unimaginable power of God through miracles.  In this time, science developed tremendously so that people thought that every thing is explicable by human logic and nothing beyond human logic exists.  The foundation itself is cracked and all these miracles established that there is God, who can never be explained by science or human logic.  Thus, Shri Baba constructed the strong foundation for spirituality on which any spiritual preacher can stand safely to preach spiritual knowledge.

  If Shri Baba did not come, by this time, all the temples must have been converted into business complexes.  He established the fundamental faith in God all over the world, which is the foundation for the world peace.  He showed Universal spirituality in all His preaching.  He rained ocean of knowledge and developed devotion through His sweet songs. He worked day and night to set right the Pravrutti, which is the basis for Nivrutti.  The spiritual world must remember His name in the beginning of any spiritual effort.  The ethical and spiritual values became alive due to Him only.  Such divine personality is very rare. 
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LOL - yes, "dattaspammi" is mine!  My precious!  Cheesy

Sathya Sai Baba one day told that if somebody criticizes Him as hair-basket Baba, He is not worried since it is truth.  If somebody criticizes Him as ball-headed Baba, then also, He is not worried since it is a lie.

Well, I'm just asking for more treatises I'm sure, but since you bring up Sathya Sai Baba, he ALSO claims to be God incarnate, yet you say God can only incarnate in one person per generation at a time. So why are your claims any more credible than his? Justg curious since his devotees would think that YOU are a fraud . . . (or honestly mistaken etc) I've asked this before I never really received a satisfactory answer. (

   Shri Baba tried His level best to establish justice of Pravrutti and a good society with love flowing between all the souls of the world.  He never projected Nivrutti (identifying the present human form of God and selfless service to Him), which is limited to very few only and God always keeps silent and if necessary even opposes it since it is the issue of love towards Him and becomes His personal issue.  Of course, that is of highest value and is eternal. 

But today, the souls have come down even from the third step by rejecting justice before injustice. People are rejecting justice and voting for injustice due to lack of true knowledge. You are voting for corruption and rejecting the justified way of earning through hard work. You are loving others who are going to cheat you, rejecting the advise of your family members.  When you cannot discriminate the higher and lower planes and truth and false in Pravrutti itself, how can you discriminate God from world in Nivrutti?  When you can’t leave corruption and favor justified earning in Pravrutti, how can you sacrifice even your justified earning for God?  When you cannot reject false friends and listen the true parents and family members, how can you reject parents and family for God?

 In the ancient time, people rejected false love and voted for justified family.  They rejected corruption and favored justified earning through hard work.  Then God competed with family and justified earning because the love of God is far more compared to the love of family.  But today, He need not compete with justice, which is already rejected by injustice in Pravrutti.  Today, Justice cannot give a strong competition to God.  Only injustice gives strong competition to God.  http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge 

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Well, I'm just asking for more treatises I'm sure, but since you bring up Sathya Sai Baba, he ALSO claims to be God incarnate,

God will never claim Himself as God to all the public. 

   Shri Baba never said that He is God.  He was referring always the Shiridi Sai Baba existing in Him as God.  God will never claim Himself as God to all the public.  He reveals Himself only to a rare deserving devotee in person secretly, since it cannot be digested by all.  Krishna revealed Himself as God to Arjuna only in person and told that it should be kept as a top secret (Rahasyam hyetaduttam..Gita).  In the court of Kauravas, He behaved as a human being only in public.  Majority is always jealous and egoistic to digest the concept of contemporary human incarnation.  Hence, the concept that everybody is God (Advaita) is frequently used by human incarnation to attract all initially and to pacify their ego. 

Shri Baba was also telling that everybody is God and should behave like God by protecting justice in Pravrutti.  It is only the faith of devotees to believe Him as God. Baba tried His best to set up a good peaceful society and never encouraged Nivrutti in masses.  He never said that people should come and worship Him as God.  He might have allowed the devotion of a few rigid devotees of Nivrutti.  What all He wished was only a good society with protected justice.  All His miracles were spontaneous and there was no announcement so far before performing any miracle.  Only demons boast themselves as God by announcing miracles.

God hides His identity and divinity.  Even if He exhibits it, it is only to strengthen Pravrutti. In Nivrutti the divinity is masked and God always hides Himself and tries to mislead the devotee.  Even if He expresses divinity, it will be purely personal like Gita to Arjuna only or the secret flute song to Gopikas only in Brundavanam. Nivrutti is always reserved to a very few devotees, who stand firm in spite of His severe opposition and God reveals Himself secretly to such few blessed souls.  His effort is always for Pravrutti, when He is exposed to public.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge 
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LOL - yes, "dattaspammi" is mine!  My precious!  Cheesy

Sathya Sai Baba one day told that if somebody criticizes Him as hair-basket Baba, He is not worried since it is truth.  If somebody criticizes Him as ball-headed Baba, then also, He is not worried since it is a lie.

Well, I'm just asking for more treatises I'm sure, but since you bring up Sathya Sai Baba, he ALSO claims to be God incarnate, yet you say God can only incarnate in one person per generation at a time. So why are your claims any more credible than his? Justg curious since his devotees would think that YOU are a fraud . . . (or honestly mistaken etc) I've asked this before I never really received a satisfactory answer. (something about paying you money was your answer before)

Sai baba's followers claim his is God, why are they wrong and you're right? I've seen his "miracles" all over youtube, um I learned how that stuff was done when I was teenager and really into "magic" (ie: slight of hand stuff) Nothing real about, nothing miraculous, it just takes lots and lots of practice, and sometimes good props. Smiley




When you experience God in human incarnation, God still remains unimaginable. Only the existence of unimaginable God is experienced and not God (asteetyeva…Veda). You have experienced the existence of current by touching the electric wire and this does not mean that you have understood the electricity. Hence, the experience of existence of unimaginable God does not mean that God became imaginable. You can have two or more electric wires simultaneously. Due to difference in the works like a wire for fan, a wire for tube light etc.

Similarly, due to different programs, you can have many human incarnations simultaneously in the same time. If you mistake that a particular electric wire is only the current, then the problem comes. Here you have mistaken that the wire and current are one and the same. Here the knowledge of Dvaita is required. Then only you can understand that the same electricity is flowing in different wires. Some people think that a particular electric wire in the past (past human incarnation) alone is the current, even though that wire was destroyed and does not exist today. These people are many who think that a particular past human incarnation like Rama, Jesus, etc., alone is God.
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« Reply #1659 on: January 14, 2011, 06:31:38 AM »

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And, maybe, they’d be happy for a while.

But february made me shiver
With every paper I’d deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.

I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died.

So bye-bye, miss american pie.
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock ’n roll,
Can music save your mortal soul,
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with him
`cause I saw you dancin’ in the gym.
You both kicked off your shoes.
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died.

I started singin’,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Now for ten years we’ve been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rollin’ stone,
But that’s not how it used to be.
When the jester sang for the king and queen,
In a coat he borrowed from james dean
And a voice that came from you and me,

Oh, and while the king was looking down,
The jester stole his thorny crown.
The courtroom was adjourned;
No verdict was returned.
And while lenin read a book of marx,
The quartet practiced in the park,
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died.

We were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Helter skelter in a summer swelter.
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter,
Eight miles high and falling fast.
It landed foul on the grass.
The players tried for a forward pass,
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune.
We all got up to dance,
Oh, but we never got the chance!
`cause the players tried to take the field;
The marching band refused to yield.
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?

We started singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Oh, and there we were all in one place,
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil’s only friend.

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Could break that satan’s spell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news,
But she just smiled and turned away.
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d heard the music years before,
But the man there said the music wouldn’t play.

And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken.
And the three men I admire most:
The father, son, and the holy ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died.

And they were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

They were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die."
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« Reply #1660 on: January 15, 2011, 12:41:20 AM »

It is impossible Impossible!! ,Present Human incarnation can be treated as God

The human being is unable to perceive even the energetic form of God hidden in the human form.  The energetic form of God is in no way different from human form and thus Narayana is not all different from Krishna/Jesus.  In both God is one and the same.  The external cover (Upadhi) only differs since the cover in Narayana is energetic form and the cover in Krishna/Jesus is materialized human form.

 If this is the state, how the human being is imagining to perceive the unimaginable original God?  It is impossible.  It is impossible.  It is impossible. Even the intelligence limited by the dimensions of space and time cannot grasp God (Yo Buddheh …) who is beyond space and time. Only the most subtle item of the creation i.e., self (soul) can be grasped by the sharp intelligence (Drushyatetvagraya….).

 In the human incarnation also, the soul exists but the unimaginable God charges it.  You can grasp the soul present in the human incarnation but you cannot grasp God who is beyond the soul and charged it. Current is quite different from the wire but charges wire.  Hence, you can treat such soul as God like treating the live wire as current.  It is this charged divine soul existing in the body of Krishna/Jesus that was referred by Him in Gita (Ahamatma…).  Even the energetic body of God is intolerable and what to speak of the original God? Krishna referred to such original God as unknowable item to any one (Mamtuveda Na Kaschana…Gita).  When Hanuman tore His chest and showed God in His heart, such God was only the energetic form of Rama.  Rama was fully recognized by Hanuman and was constantly maintained in the heart because there was no point of repulsion between common media.  Hanuman is a monkey where as Rama is a human being in the higher level.  Hanuman exhibited several miracles but the monkeys could not recognize Him as God due to same repulsion of common media.  

The monkeys accepted Rama because Rama is higher human being.  Similarly, Arjuna could not fully accept Krishna due to same repulsion.  But Arjuna could accept the higher energetic form of Lord Shiva since Krishna also worshipped Shiva.  Similarly, the monkeys could not accept Hanuman as God because Hanuman also worshipped higher human form of Rama.  Daksha, an angel with energetic form could not recognize Shiva as God for the same reason of repulsion.  This repulsion of common media is existing even in the angels (Paroksha Priyah ...Veda).  When God appeared before the angels in energetic form of light (Yaksha), they could not recognize God for the same reason.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge
 
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« Reply #1661 on: January 15, 2011, 01:00:17 AM »

I've never clicked on this thread because of its length and the bizarre title. Well, I have no idea about the posts, but I about vomited from laughing at the tags.
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« Reply #1662 on: January 15, 2011, 01:18:03 AM »

I've never clicked on this thread because of its length and the bizarre title. Well, I have no idea about the posts, but I about vomited from laughing at the tags.

The essence of this thread:


There is only one God, who created this entire universe. Such God is invisible and unimaginable and nobody can seen Him. If one has to see Him then creation has to disappear to see the God in His alone state or 'Absolute God'. WHEN creation disappears you also will disappear along with it since you are also a part of creation. THere fore no one can see the absolute God. But such absolute God comes in human form to this world for preaching and uplifting us through His wonderful divine knowledge,  by entering a most deserving devote known as Son of God who is existing in this world.

GOd enters into such devotes devotee and comes to us. THe combination of GOd and Son of God is kown as Human incarnation. Thus human incarnation is a 2-in-1 system in which God and son of GOd co-exist in the same human body. For example Jesus was a human incarnation in which God was present in Him all the time from birth to His death.

Jesus is impratial and comes down in every human generation to preach and uplift the human souls through His divine knowledge.

He is here now itself you have to identify Jesus who is alive in this generation by analysing His divine knowledge itself.
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« Reply #1663 on: January 15, 2011, 01:28:35 AM »

I've never clicked on this thread because of its length and the bizarre title. Well, I have no idea about the posts, but I about vomited from laughing at the tags.

Worship and service to Lord should be without any expectation

When you worship the Lord you should not aspire for any fruit in return. Some people sacrifice work and money but they aspire for some fruit in return. Such a service is again a waste. If you do Nishkama Karma Yoga, which is the service to the Lord without expecting anything from the Lord, then alone will the Lord come in human form and suffer for your sins. Then alone can you get rid of your sins. Other than this one path there is no alternative. Either you have to pay or your father (the Lord in human form) has to pay the fine for your sins. If you pester the Lord through the present rituals and methods of worship, the Lord will only make rearrangements to your file of Karma.

 He will bring the good results, which you were supposed to enjoy in your next birth, to the present. However this rearrangement will lead to a loss in value as in case of a premature encashment of deposits. You do not know this secret and you think that you have flattered the Lord and got rid of your sins. What you do not know is that your present sins are thrown to next birth with increased interest. Your future life cycle will be full of miseries from birth to death due to such interference. Therefore the Lord is cleverer than you when you adopt the ways of business with Him.http://www.esnips.com/doc/0db8a6ba-102a-4380-9230-7b6e8345291e/divine-knowledge
 
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« Reply #1664 on: January 15, 2011, 02:28:10 AM »

Impossible!
For a plain yellow pumpkin to become a golden carriage
Impossible!
For a plain country bumpkin and a prince to join in marriage
And four white mice can never become white horses
Such folderol and fiddle-de-dee
Of courses!
Impossible!

But the world is full of zanies and fools
Who don't believe in sensible rules
And don't believe what sensible people say
And because these dull and dewy-eyed dopes
Keep building up impossible hopes
Impossible things are happening every day!
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"Sometimes, you just gotta say, 'OK, I still have nine live, two-headed animals' and move on.'' (owner of Coney Island freak show, upon learning he'd been outbid on a 5-legged puppy)
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